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I should post that I've had some PM with MESSIS and I had sent him a corrected image for the French rigging.

The image in post 5 above is more, I believe, for English ships.

Does this seem a bit drastic... 1832 

very interesting reads Druxey

...then came the Boys Naval Brigade, from which came Navy League Cadets, and then Sea Cadets.

Oh what to do with the vagrant and offending youth overtaking the realm?  1834

A sad state of affairs... 1833

With no flying jib boom it would be Jib Sail, (out front) Fore Topmast Stay Sail, and Fore Staysail (back aft).

Your images do not have the Fore Staysail rigged or raised.

The traveller on the Jib Sail is hauled about halfway aft on the jib boom.

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton: 

10 year result of testing copper plating - 1836

The more things change, the  more the stay the same.

Or do they - 1832

1802 - a little harsh?  It was only a corporal after all... maybe for an admiral.

1802 - the Cumberland taking a Spanish privateer schooner in the Caribbean -  2 parts

At first I just looked at the first photo and focused on the difference from the flag today

Then I saw there were more photos but until I picked the next  one I hadn't realised those were people unrolling it.

Absolutely massive!

New use of an old construction material - posted 1802

DEAL:  DEALS – Fir wood, of similar thickness to plank; PLANK – A general name for all timber, except fir, which is from 1-1/2” to 4” thick.  Of less dimension it is called board.

Just had my 19th eye injection on Tuesday so I've not been in my shop since mid last week in a effort to keep fine dust out of my eye so it might not aggravate the recovery... and it seems to have worked.

So I spent the time at my computer researching where all the little things go on the bowsprit and jib boom I made earlier.

I have been frustrated to no end by all the contradictory information out there.

My go to books (in order of precedent) are Ree's, Steels, The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625-1860, The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships, and Rigging Period Ship Models.

I have saved a number of reference RMG model images ... having spent the morning going through about 170 of those on site as was recommended to me.

I also searched some paintings and sketches but they didn't seem to tell me much.   Possibly it is the recent needle trauma, or the cataracts... did I mention I have those too!

Geeze retirement is fun.

As I will be building her as I imagined she looked when launched there will be no dolphin striker, and I will have both the spritsail yard and the spritsail topsail yard as all is clear for the latter sail.

I've checked my drawing gammoning alignment with my gammoning holes and they align very well but my holes are too short to receive the nine to eleven turns of 2-1/2" diameter rope, so these need to be elongated in the correct direction at some point in the future.

Tomorrow I will start to mark all the lines on my drawing with references to the particular source and images so I do not have to re-learn it all again down the road... and all is in a binder to keep it together.

Monday I will start sanding frames again... and in the next month or so make some cleats, saddles, hoops, yards, and a fairlead for the bowsprit and jib boom that are stored away.

Here is the drawing I've made.

Once I get my eyes adjusted I'll hopefully be able to spot those details again.

thank you

 missed that detail inside the figure.

I have 1985 copy of The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships by C. Nepean Longridge.

Page 188, second paragraph from the bottom refers to figure 119.

There is no figure 119 .... there is a 118 then a 120.

If anyone has an copy of this book that has figure 119 could you please scan it and send it to me.

I will print it and insert it in my copy of the book.

Thank you.

Alan

I should have mentioned it is also in The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships.

I've had my breakfast so the brain is starting to work.

Thank you all for the responses.

My source : The elements ans Practice of Rigging and Seamanship - vol 1 - is dated 1794.

This table suggests it is in ships of 100 guns down to sloops (found on pg 45)

it is not mentioned again nor is it shown in any of the Plates diagrams of masts and yards for any size ship.

(not that I can find this early in the morning)

I just discovered yesterday that there is a flying jib boom.

It is not on many builds.

Steels lists it for the 74 gun ship, but I've not seen it on any builds except the 50 gun HMS Leopard (1790).

I've read an old post that states the flying jib boom and the jib boom are the same thing, and having seen it I know they are two different things.

The flying jib boom protrudes beyond the jib boom, secured to the head of the jib boom with an iron clamp

The heel of it rests against the bowsprit cap.  I've no idea how that end is secured.

I also have no idea if it is an optional boom extension, when it is added, or what determines it should be included.

Seemingly only if a flying jib sail is wanted to be rigged... seems to be logical.

Does anyone know more about this item: why, when, where used?

Thank you in advance.

HMS Fly

according to papers, she was in Antigua in January, notice of PRIZE published 5 March... still looking

update:

did a quick search through to July and no other mention of her

from the reliable Wikipedia:

HMS FLY

On 17 September 1801 Fly left Portsmouth as escort to a convoy for Newfoundland. She foundered and was lost with all hands off Cape Flattery, Newfoundland in January 1802.

Mounted the model on the travelling base.

Used a heavier clamp at one end as a counter balance as I made adjustments to align the drill bit with the mark then clamped it to the drill press base.

Drilled the holes.  #29 thru, #15 1/4" deep.

Set it on the build table and drilled thru the table.

Made up lengths of threaded rod, chased the threads after cutting the lengths (borrowed my son's tap and die set for this).

Installed the helicoil inserts as described earlier.

Now it sets up and cures.

I left one of the original wooden clamping bars on the table as I can set the keel to it/align to it, and it holds the plan in place on the table.

Surviving hurricane winds on the Grand Banks off Newfoundland (1802)

...and along the same train of thought... times were harder then. (1802)