Erik W Posted November 8, 2015 Share #61 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Mike,Your mast looks great. You and I are pretty much at the same point in our builds. Unlike you though, I'm procrastinating the rigging (because I don't know what the hell I'm doing ), so am working on the bowsprit. Mike (Stuntflyer) had started a thread on some of his rigging issues when he built his longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7277-stropping-and-seizing/?p=214577Click on the links in the thread. They've helped me to understand what to do . . . now I just need to screw up the courage to start!Erik Edited November 8, 2015 by Erik W Matrim, Canute and MikeB4 3 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted November 8, 2015 Share #62 Posted November 8, 2015 Tying blocks and rigging seems to be yet another art. I am finding that a combination of constrictor knots, seizing and only applying very,very small amounts of super glue after the knot/rope has taken the strain on the model is working better. Naturally this was only learnt after not doing any of that on earlier ropes/knots/blocks but live and learn. I quite like rigging though it is therapeutic.... mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share #63 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) The instructions are a bit ambiguous on the rigging. I don't blame Chuck though, after all this is an advanced model kit and it would be assumed the builder already understands how blocks and rigging are properly tied. Stepping back a moment, I except my model isn't going to be perfect (I wish it where). An analogy would be that If I where making music it's more like jazz than classical, but that's OK it's still music. I just thought I'd throw that in because sometimes this hobby can be so frustrating, but I realize the only real failure is giving up and I also realize that all the talented builders on this website put in many years to learn their craft. With that said I need to learn how to rig this puppy. Edited November 8, 2015 by MikeB4 JesseLee, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share #64 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Nirvana, yes I put a pin at the bottom of the mast. I'm not going to put a step under the mast, I do believe I read in the instructions that a step is optional. I drilled a hole in the center floorboard where the pin will fit. Edited November 8, 2015 by MikeB4 mtaylor, Erik W and Canute 3 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share #65 Posted November 13, 2015 I bought some rope from the Syren Ship Model Co. I realize I purchased the wrong sizes for each rope.I'm going to use this rope any way and hope it looks OK. Duanelaker and Erik W 2 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted November 13, 2015 Share #66 Posted November 13, 2015 Yes that is a knotty problem (I'll get my hat) Rigging is fun when you get in the swing of things. It's less fun when stropped blocks fall out mid-rig though. Or when you manage to knock the rudder off like I succeeded in doing yesterday. Erik W, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share #67 Posted November 13, 2015 I've decided to send away for the right size rope. I'll obsess over it other wise, you can never have to much rope around anyhow. JesseLee, RichardG, Erik W and 3 others 6 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted November 13, 2015 Share #68 Posted November 13, 2015 Mike, Glad to hear you're going to use the correct size rope. If the stuff you bought first is larger diameter, I think it would make the boat look clunky, which would be a shame this far along in your great build. I'll be keeping a close eye on your rigging progress. Like you, I have no experience whatsoever at this point in the build. Erik mtaylor, Canute and MikeB4 3 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share #69 Posted November 13, 2015 Eric, The diameter of both ropes are one size under what is recommended. It may have worked, but Chuck is really expedient about getting your order to you, so I might as well get the right stuff. I have plenty of things to work on in the meantime. Mike Erik W, mtaylor, JesseLee and 1 other 4 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share #70 Posted November 29, 2015 I completed the Jib. I also decided to mount the boat to it's base at this Time, I think this will make it easier to rig. You'll notice I extended the the front Iron band for the jib. it fastens further down the stem than what the directions show you. I did this because there's a piece of brass wire running from the top of the stem to right above the fasten. Yes, I broke the stem off, I almost made it threw the build without this infamous break. At least I know I'm in good company. I don't feel to bad about this Modification because looking at the original museum model it appears to fasten further down the stem also. I know this in no way makes mine a museum piece but at least I don't have to feel it's completely inaccurate. jct, Erik W, GuntherMT and 3 others 6 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAnderson Posted November 29, 2015 Share #71 Posted November 29, 2015 Very nice work Mike. She's coming along beautifully. Paul Canute, mtaylor and MikeB4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted November 29, 2015 Share #72 Posted November 29, 2015 I have done the same thing many times Mike. All of mine are pined & re-glued. Jesse Canute, MikeB4 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted November 29, 2015 Share #73 Posted November 29, 2015 Mike, It looks great! I recently attached the mast on my longboat. While being careful to not break the mast, I snapped off the bowsprit! Luckily my mounting to the stem wasn't very solid, so it didn't break the stem. I've debated fastening the boat to the base now, knowing the boat willbe pretty hard to handle by the time it's fully rigged. Erik mtaylor, MikeB4 and Canute 3 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share #74 Posted December 13, 2015 I'm slowly chugging along, I feel like I made some progress today. JesseLee, jct, Erik W and 6 others 9 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted December 13, 2015 Share #75 Posted December 13, 2015 Coming along nicely, Mike Canute, mtaylor, Erik W and 1 other 4 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 13, 2015 Share #76 Posted December 13, 2015 I like the presentation you're doing... the thin rods supporting it. Beautiful work, Mike. Jack12477, Erik W and MikeB4 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted December 13, 2015 Share #77 Posted December 13, 2015 Looks good Mike! If you're like me, this rigging thing is a totally new experience. In my own case it's a rewarding process . . . but is giving me an ulcer at the same time! Like with the rest of the boat, take it slow. I've gained confidence as I've progressed with the rigging. I'm sure you will too. I'm looking forward to seeing your results! Erik mtaylor, Canute, MikeB4 and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAnderson Posted December 14, 2015 Share #78 Posted December 14, 2015 Nice job Mike. She looks great. The rigging isn't as hard as it looks. She's going to shape up great. Paul JesseLee, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #79 Posted December 20, 2015 I got my gaff in place, I used wire rather than rope to put the parrel beads on. I still found it quit challenging getting it on to the mast. Jack12477, mtaylor, Erik W and 5 others 8 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted December 20, 2015 Share #80 Posted December 20, 2015 Looks great Mike. Canute, mtaylor and MikeB4 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted December 20, 2015 Share #81 Posted December 20, 2015 Very nice Mike, Hmm, using the wire instead of the rope? Great idea! mtaylor, Canute, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share #82 Posted December 25, 2015 I finished the chain plates. I decided to make another attempt at soldering, which I had completely failed at the last time I tried. Although I'm pleased with the out come this time around it wasn't easy. It was quite a struggle to get the solder to flow. I cleaned the parts in acetone first to make sure there wasn't any oil on the surface of the metal. Then applied flux with a tiny piece of solder. The flux would bubble up from the heat and evaporate before the solder would reach it's melting point. once I got it to melt it would bead up and not flow properly because there was no flux on the part at that point. I managed to get the chain plates done but it took hours, Needless to say there's something here I still don't get when it comes to soldering. JesseLee 1 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted December 25, 2015 Share #83 Posted December 25, 2015 I had similar issues when I started playing with soldering very small parts using flux and solid solder. The solution for me was to switch to soldering paste. I am currently using this - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OVI0IY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s02 There are a bunch of different soldering pastes, and different temperature pastes as well so that you can start with a 'hot', then do another connection near that one with a 'medium' temp paste, etc. so that the 'hot' bond doesn't break when doing the next one. Since the paste has the flux mixed in, you won't have the issues with the flux boiling off prior to the solder melting. mtaylor and MikeB4 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share #84 Posted December 25, 2015 Thank you for that information, I'm going to purchase the paste and give it a try. Do you use an iron or a torch? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share #85 Posted December 26, 2015 I miss placed the deadeyes that came with the kit and I've spent way to much time looking for them. them damn gremlins are t it again, Fortunately my Fair American kit had some that are the right size only made off walnut. They'll do, by the time I'm ready to build that Fair American kit I'll have upgraded most of the parts with better stuff than what comes in the kit anyhow. PAnderson, JesseLee, Nirvana and 6 others 9 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAnderson Posted December 26, 2015 Share #86 Posted December 26, 2015 Nice work Mike. You do know that you will find your lost deadeyes in the morning now, right? Paul mtaylor, Canute, Erik W and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted December 26, 2015 Share #87 Posted December 26, 2015 Thank you for that information, I'm going to purchase the paste and give it a try. Do you use an iron or a torch? I use a torch as I found that I couldn't hold both parts together while making solid contact with an iron also. The torch heats the metal much faster also. I use a small 'pencil' torch. MikeB4 and Canute 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted December 26, 2015 Share #88 Posted December 26, 2015 I miss placed the deadeyes that came with the kit and I've spent way to much time looking for them. them damn gremlins are t it again, I know the Gremlins are still around....... wreaking havoc when it comes to parts...... Ne er finding the i ems you are looking for. Hey, they are ev n taking away letters. Mike, I bought deadeyes from Chuck, very nice once that I am to use. So I have extra, just in case of the Gremlins. Canute, mtaylor and MikeB4 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted December 26, 2015 Share #89 Posted December 26, 2015 But your longboat is coming just beautifully! Canute, mtaylor and MikeB4 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share #90 Posted January 10, 2016 I've connected the shrouds and laniards. This is the first time I've actually done this on any model. It didn't come out perfect that's for sure, but I learned a lot and hopefully I'll get better at this over time. Erik W, jct, PAnderson and 10 others 13 Quote Phantom, first time build:MikeB4 English Pinnace by MikeB4 - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Longboat by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Model Shipwa... Maine Peapod by MikeB4 - FINISHED - Midwest Products - 1:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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