shipmodel Posted December 14, 2022 Share #2101 Posted December 14, 2022 Just beautiful, Marc. Bravo! Dan Hubac's Historian, mtaylor and FriedClams 2 1 Quote Current build -SS Mayaguez (c.1975) scale 1/16" = 1' (1:192) by Dan Pariser Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 14, 2022 Share #2102 Posted December 14, 2022 Where do you need to retouch? I find what you did nice already. I'll keep what heller did on my SR and use azure blue as the main color with gold and ocher. Hubac's Historian, mtaylor, Herby63 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share #2103 Posted December 15, 2022 It tends to wear through on any sharp corners just from the handling of painting the rest of it. Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted December 15, 2022 Share #2104 Posted December 15, 2022 Just jaw dropping paint work Marc and you're so right about the paint wearing while handling it until it's finally mounted. Michael D. mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 1 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 15, 2022 Share #2105 Posted December 15, 2022 Your paintwork and carving is beyond incredible, Marc. Hubac's Historian, FriedClams and Ian_Grant 2 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share #2106 Posted December 15, 2022 You guys are all very kind - thank you! mtaylor 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 15, 2022 Share #2107 Posted December 15, 2022 Going through the thread and I wonder if the so call 1669 berain drawing is really the 1st SR, because the quarter gallery are closed when they're supposed to be open and the windows arrangement don't correspond to what was described for the royal louis and other ships from the time period also had this 6 windows with 1 space in the middle arrangement. The drawing remind me more of what berain proposed for the refit SR than the 1st one. mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share #2108 Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) The Berain drawings date to the time of the refit. Berain does not officially become designer of ornament to the King’s arsenals until after Lebrun’s death in 1690, but his famous stern drawing is a re-working of the original design by Puget - the underlying conception for which was established by LeBrun. The quarter drawing, I have argued, is consistent with the evolution in QG design (closed lower bottle on middle deck level, wrapping main deck balcony, QD amortisement), in the 1680s. There is strong correlation in the design elements that make up the windows and decorative rails between quarter and stern drawings. What is somewhat confusing to me is that this quarter drawing lacks the flawless continuity of the stern drawing; there are design problems with the quarter drawing that would lead to an impractical construction, if taken literally. Also, this drawing shows the extremely pronounced aft sheer that would have been a feature of 1670 (see how the wales/precients are cut completely by the aft ports), yet the stern height is definitely not as high as that time period. Also baffling is the cropping of the image. At the right margin, the drawing ends in a soft line, but the angle of that line, relative to the digital right margin, makes it seem as though the ocean water is cascading downhill and that the ship is sinking, bow first. Rotate the drawing 15 degrees counterclockwise and one’s perception of the thing changes dramatically. All of this suggests that the heading, “Bouteille du Vaisseau…” is a later notation than the date of the drawing. It is the heading that has determined the modern cropping of the drawing. Why it is notated at such an odd angle to the original intent of the drawing is anyone’s guess. Edited December 15, 2022 by Hubac's Historian mtaylor, FriedClams, shipmodel and 3 others 6 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share #2109 Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Also, I might add, that this headrail arrangement is indicative of this later evolution in head construction in the 1680’s: And a dated (1692) drawing of Le Terrible, also by Berain: In contrast to the 1670’s: Edited December 15, 2022 by Hubac's Historian Archi, mtaylor, aurelien wolff and 5 others 8 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 15, 2022 Share #2110 Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Your image of Bouteille du vaisseau le Soleil Royal is weird! My suspicion is that the image was rotated 15 degrees, as you point out; but whoever did that then turned the title in PhotoShop or similar to make it horizontal again. Otherwise it makes no sense at all. In any case, what purpose was there in rotating the image to begin with? "I guess the back end has to line up with the edge of the page!" Edited December 15, 2022 by druxey mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share #2111 Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Yeah, it’s completely bizarre. The same style of notation appears on other drawings, both earlier and later, and they are absent of these anomalies. The Royal Dauphin of 1668: SR’s interiors, circa 1689: L’Agreable, 1697: Edited December 15, 2022 by Hubac's Historian FriedClams, druxey, Archi and 2 others 5 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 15, 2022 Share #2112 Posted December 15, 2022 Maybe it's related to the restauration of the image, tho I'm not sure if it'd mean rotating the image like that, on the restored old books I saw during my 1 week internship at the haguenau library, they didn't rotated stuff, and it wasn done in the old not restored book I saw in the "fond patrimoniaux" either(I got the chance to look at XVth century book there btw). druxey, mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share #2113 Posted December 18, 2022 Alright, so this is a go: Rudolf, Jeff T, James G and 22 others 15 1 9 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2114 Posted December 18, 2022 so you're not going for the gold/ocher 4 seasons figure, you're going for colors. I don't know if it's mu eyes, but one of the pillar on the last windows level seem a bit oddly angled, I wonder why. Hubac's Historian and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share #2115 Posted December 18, 2022 Which level and pilar are you referring to? As for the painting of the figures, it is my belief that they would have been painted in a more naturalistic way, as was done decades earlier on the Vasa. All of my figures, and there are quite a number of them on this ship, are done this way. FriedClams, mtaylor and druxey 3 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2116 Posted December 18, 2022 Your painting skills are second to none Marc, that stern is magnificent. What a statement! B.E. FriedClams, mtaylor, Hubac's Historian and 1 other 3 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James G Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2117 Posted December 18, 2022 You clearly have a steady hand! Well done. mtaylor, Hubac's Historian and druxey 2 1 Quote Jim Current Build: HMS Winchelsea, Model Shipways Mayflower Completed Builds: NRG Half Hull Project Model Shipways 18th Century Armed Longboat Dumas 1954 Chris Craft 36' Commander Dumas 1940 Chris Craft 19' Barrel Back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share #2118 Posted December 18, 2022 Thank you very much, guys! mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2119 Posted December 18, 2022 I'm talking about the 2nd pilars of the second row of windows you did. For the 1st SR, it seems the figures are more either gold or ocher, so I'll do them that way on mine. Hubac's Historian and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share #2120 Posted December 18, 2022 If you backtrack a few posts to the drawing I did for the lights, you will see where those alignment issues arise from. mtaylor and aurelien wolff 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2121 Posted December 18, 2022 This photo really brings the stern to life, just superb craftsmanship Marc!!! Michael D. mtaylor and Hubac's Historian 1 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelien wolff Posted December 18, 2022 Share #2122 Posted December 18, 2022 Even with the column alignment issue, the stern you did still look verry good and the colors are vibrant. On the balcony, I plan to keep what heller originally did and enlarge them so they'd fit the new breadth, the 4th season figures will remain the same. If one increase the rear breadth, is it obligatiory to do the same with the bow? I've seen you did that on your. Hubac's Historian and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share #2123 Posted December 18, 2022 Thank you, Aurelien. Imperfection is just baked into a piecemeal process, such as this, but results have far exceeded my original expectations for this project. To answer your question, I do not think you can satisfactorily widen the stern without also widening the bow. None of this is possible without cutting away the lower hull, and you have decided to do that. This is good. The problem, if you were to attempt to widen the stern without widening the bow, is two-fold; for one, you would be introducing significant tension to the joint where the stem halves meet, and you would also introduce an unnatural re-curve of the bow deadwood into the stem. Think of it as though your bow suddenly has cleavage, when really it would be better to remain flat, so to speak. FriedClams and mtaylor 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipman Posted December 19, 2022 Share #2124 Posted December 19, 2022 Been a while since I looked in on this epic. I wasn't disappointed! Hubac's Historian, 72Nova, mtaylor and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share #2125 Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Nice to see you back, Shipman! Edited December 19, 2022 by Hubac's Historian mtaylor and shipman 1 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Clements Posted December 21, 2022 Share #2126 Posted December 21, 2022 Looking at your Sunday post and colour photo of the stern to date, I am just speechless! The colours are so striking and your painting skills second to none. Getting that absolutely clear definition of highlight detail over background in the contrasting shades is quite beyond me, and I suspect many others. Something we all strive for but rarely achieve. It's a real tonic seeing your progress. I hope you and your family have a restful and enjoyable Christmas and wish you continuing success and pleasure in your project in the new year (and in everything else too, of course) yancovitch, druxey, Hubac's Historian and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share #2127 Posted December 22, 2022 Many thanks, John! I wish a happy and healthy holidays for you and tour family. John Clements and mtaylor 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share #2128 Posted December 25, 2022 The path to enlightenment and a conjectural SR 1670 begins, in earnest, right here: Merry Christmas everyone! Have a happy and safe holiday. popeye2sea, mtaylor, Jeff T and 9 others 12 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted December 25, 2022 Share #2129 Posted December 25, 2022 Nice find! Looks promising. Merry Christmas! Regards, Henry mtaylor 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share #2130 Posted December 26, 2022 Thank you, Henry! I hope you had a Merry Christmas, yourself! mtaylor 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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