Hr.Ms. Evertsen 1894 by amateur - Answer - 1:200 - CARD - protected cruiser

[amateur]

Today I received a new modelkit, a paper one, by the Polish firm Answer.

It is a paper model ofa Dutch protected cruiser from 1894, named Evertsen. I checked the internet, and I can notfind any completed models. 

 

I can't promise that I start soon with the build, as I recently moved, have a garden to do, still have a paid job, and a couple of models in various stages of completion. But who knows.....

 

I can't figure out why Answer chose this protected cruiser, there were more that were larger, more elegant, and were more famous (check protected cruiser Gelderland, that was the most famous of all). Evertsen had around 20 years of coastal duty, but never fired a gun 'for real', and ended on the breakers yard just before the first wold war.

 

secondly, I van't figure out why Answer chose this livery: almost all Dutch ships of that era had three colourscheme's over their life span. Blach hull, white hull, yellowfunnels, both with gilded scrollwork onbow and stern, and finally a dull light gray, that was used for hull, superstructure and scrollwork. Guess what colourscheme Answer used. Yep, you guessed it

 

to get some idea on my task ahead, some pics of the model, which came together with lasercutted frames, some PE-details, and a couple of brass guns.

[amateur]

To give you some idea on the original, a couple of pics, there isn't many more, as the ship led a rather quiet, not to say dull life....

 

the pic with the three white ships is taken in Amsterdam, and Evertsen is the middle one. The ships had higher masts in this pic, as they were wired for radio-receiving equipment that was used for communication with the far east.

[rony]

It seems very interesting model, very successfully under construction.
I also built a small cardboard ship.
Rony

[popeye the sailor]

it make no difference which medium it is,  it's always nice to see kits of lesser known ships being produced.   there looks to be quite a bit to her.....should prove to be an interesting build  

[ccoyle]

I have only built one kit from Answer, but that was a Fiat CR.42 Falco. The printing was very nice (I have the model on my desk here at work), but the diagrams were a bit lacking. I wish you well on this build, whenever you get to it.

[amateur]

Actually, the number of pages diagrams is largee than the number of pages with parts. 

 

Jan

[maaaslo]

Ahem, answer is not out of business... they are alive and well.

http://www.answer.pl/pl/statki/2608-insidioso.html

Edited August 23, 2017 by maaaslo

[amateur]

Sorry, that's what was mentioned on the site of one of the shops i visited...

I'll change my text.

 

jan

[Captain Slog]

Great looking subject Jan, I look forward to following along when you decide to make a start. 

 

Cheers

Slog

[Piet]

Yup, an interesting project for sure. Some Dutch naval history is always welcome to this old navy brat

Good luck with the build Jan, whenever you decide to start on it.

 

Cheers,

[maaaslo]

I found one in polish lingo for you:

http://papermodels.pl/showthread.php?tid=7447

[amateur]

Thanks, I did find that one. As far as I know the onlu buildlog inthe internet... I do hope that log will continue, as it is always helpfull to have someone ahead of you.

 

Jan

[Dan Vadas]

I'll be following along too Jan. I hope you can make a start on her soon.

 

  Danny

[amateur]

I decided to give myself a bit of practice, by trying V108 first.

I am nit that practised in paperwork, and as Eversten is a full-hull, I want to have some trial and error possibilities

 

Jan

[amateur]

But I did something I perhaps shouldn't have done: As I was a bit interested in the size of the model, I put together the laser-cut framing. (still without glue). And What I "feared" is true: 1:200 in paper is far, far smaller than in wood scale 1:100

 

The midd-frame is in tow parts, as are the "false decks' to get the frames in the correct position.

 

 

I guess that this is where this log stops now, I will try to find some time to start on V108, and open a log for that one.

 

I glued the frame-parts to a piece of cardboard, which - as expected - went 'non-flat' in all posiible directions at once (and yes, this pic was taken after the piece of cardboard rested under a couple of heavy books overnight  )

To be continued (some time in the future)

 

Jan

[Dan Vadas]

35 minutes ago, amateur said:

What I "feared" is true: 1:200 in paper is far, far smaller than in wood scale 1:100

Yep, exactly half the size, and not just in wood .

 

No reason to panic just yet Jan . First off - the card you used looks to be a rather nasty one. It obviously has a "grain", and therefore will bend much more readily in one direction than the other. Perhaps gluing the parts at 90 degrees may be an easy fix. Otherwise I suggest you invest in a couple of sheets of good quality card and start over.

 

Second - cut out the whole area to be laminated from the full sheet of card, dampen it SLIGHTLY and leave under flat weights until you are ready to start cutting. Can't hurt to try it .

 

  Danny

[amateur]

Thanks, and yes, 1:200 is half the size of 1:100, I know, but still, seeing the size of the model in your hand make you realize that it is really small  (although, with 42 centimeters, it is still a model of some size)

 

I started cutting the V108 bottom, and the positve news was that the card could be bent flat quite easily when the parts were cut out. The problem is that in this thickness (just under 1mm) my artshop only had this rather coarse greyboard. The nice ones start at thickness of around 1.5 mm, which is too thick for this model. 

Dutch shops in my area tend to have large amounts of rather glossy coloured thin cardboards, but not so much in the thicker stuff, also the assortment of printable thick paper is small: 80, 120 and 160 grams. 160 grams is around .25 mm thick. For the larger parts, I would have liked paper of around 200 grams, but that was only available in postcard-size. 

 

Jan

[Dan Vadas]

Good news about the card being able to be flattened . If you want to get some good card of the right sizes try buying some from GPM in Poland - it's specially made for card models, great quality, and comes in various sizes. I suggest you buy a lot more than you need, and maybe also some other accessories (PE etc) to make the postage worthwhile.

 

  Danny

[amateur]

I couldn't resist: the dry-fit has been turned into a fully glued version.

Fit was good, and the results looks prettiy straight. Frames look a bit small to use as a basis fog gluing the skin on.

Jan

[Dan Vadas]

1 hour ago, amateur said:

Frames look a bit small to use as a basis for gluing the skin on.

That's usually a problem Jan. I glue a bit of extra card each side of the frames to give some more gluing surface. I've seen others glue a strip of thin card onto the edge of each frame, but you would have to trim or sand the frames down the thickness of the extra card otherwise the skins won't fit properly - there's usually no margin for error.

 

I'd also suggest gluing at least one extra piece longitudinally between the frames to avoid "squashing" the skins when fitting them. There is no need to glue the skins to the extra bracing, it's just a safety measure.

 

  Danny

[amateur]

Yes, additional skin support is an option.

Although the frames are reasonably close to each other, it might be worthwhie to do. My (theoretical till now) problem is that the hull below the waterline follows some nicely curved lines, resulting in both convex and concave surfaces. I have some difficulty to imagine how the outside of the braces should be: most importantly: I can imagine the curved lines, but am not sure whether or not I will be able to get the paper follow that line, or that the paper will ly flat between the frames.

 

Jan

Edited September 4, 2017 by amateur
getting rid of some awfull typo's :)