druxey Posted June 26, 2020 #61 Posted June 26, 2020 Fairing the bulwarks in at bow and stern looks very tricky. Excellent result! mtaylor, Keith Black and Ilhan Gokcay 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Mirabell61 Posted June 26, 2020 #62 Posted June 26, 2020 Excellent work Ilhan, your hull looks great..... Nils Keith Black, mtaylor, Ilhan Gokcay and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
G.L. Posted June 27, 2020 #63 Posted June 27, 2020 That's really good precision work, Ilhan. Keith Black, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24
vaddoc Posted June 28, 2020 #64 Posted June 28, 2020 I enjoyed very much going through your log Ilhan. Great job! A very well thought process, looking forward for the rest of the journey mtaylor, druxey, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Hercules Steam Tugboat - scratch build from half model lines Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 23, 2020 Author #65 Posted September 23, 2020 Still have problems to identfy these. Are these deadeyes or rigging screws ? Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
vaddoc Posted September 23, 2020 #66 Posted September 23, 2020 Deadeyes, like photo bellow mtaylor 1 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Hercules Steam Tugboat - scratch build from half model lines Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat
Keith Black Posted September 23, 2020 #67 Posted September 23, 2020 I can't tell their exact shape due to the image quality. They attach to the hull via chain plates through a channel as deadeyes would but the top deadeye is below the cap rail which isn't normal and they don't appear to be rigging screws? Whatever the actual shape, they do appear to be shroud tensioners. Tis a mystery. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Jim Lad Posted September 23, 2020 #68 Posted September 23, 2020 They look like deadeyes with cove plates or cloths over them. Is their another view of these? John Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 23, 2020 Author #69 Posted September 23, 2020 There are other photos but this is the best one. mtaylor, Keith Black and EricWilliamMarshall 3 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
amateur Posted September 24, 2020 #70 Posted September 24, 2020 And in your second picture they look more like "normal deadeyes". I have once seen (and I blame myself for not remembering where) a nice illustration of the systems that have been invented in the rather short period between the mid-1850's when wooden deadeyes were standard, and the early 1900's, when steel turnbuckles were the standard. I thought it was on segelschiffsmodellbau, but the man I thought that posted denied doing so.... Still thinking and searching ….. Jan Keith Black, mtaylor and Ilhan Gokcay 3 Quote
Keith Black Posted September 24, 2020 #71 Posted September 24, 2020 Ilhan, the photos of Loreley are a neat look back in time. Other than the plans you created, is your only source of information for the build these photographs you shared? mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 24, 2020 Author #72 Posted September 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, Keith Black said: Ilhan, the photos of Loreley are a neat look back in time. Other than the plans you created, is your only source of information for the build these photographs you shared? Keith, all the Information I used is here. (There are pages 1-2 ) https://www.flickr.com/photos/ilhan_gokcay/albums/72157640009407453 mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Keith Black Posted September 24, 2020 #73 Posted September 24, 2020 Ilhan. what a wonderful album of photos and your drawings. In foto 39, they look like traditional deadeyes. in your drawings, S01 and S07, you have them drawn as traditional deadeyes. What has made you doubt your original thoughts? I ask not as criticism but out of simple curiosity. Thank you for posting the Loreley link, I wish you the very best in your continued efforts to realize your dream. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
BANYAN Posted September 24, 2020 #74 Posted September 24, 2020 Hi Ilhan, just caught up with your little beauty; wonderful subject to model. This is up there with your usual very highh quality work. cheers Pat mtaylor, Keith Black and Ilhan Gokcay 3 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
amateur Posted September 25, 2020 #75 Posted September 25, 2020 They do not show a considerable amount of detail, but in the Dutch Rijksmuseum collection, there are a couple of pics of Loreley. I took screenshots, and copied the link https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/NL/collectie/RP-F-F01148-M https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-F-F01148-I https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/zoeken/objecten?q=S.m.s.+Loreley&p=1&ps=12&st=Objects&ii=0#/RP-F-F01148-Y,0 This one is frustrating: it shows the channels, but not the deadeyes. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/zoeken/objecten?q=S.m.s.+Loreley&p=1&ps=12&st=Objects&ii=4#/RP-F-F01148-J,4 Holidaypics from a distant period.... mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote
amateur Posted September 25, 2020 #76 Posted September 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Keith Black said: Ilhan. what a wonderful album of photos and your drawings. In foto 39, they look like traditional deadeyes. in your drawings, S01 and S07, you have them drawn as traditional deadeyes. What has made you doubt your original thoughts? I ask not as criticism but out of simple curiosity. Thank you for posting the Loreley link, I wish you the very best in your continued efforts to realize your dream. probably while this doesn’t look like normal rigged deadeyes, there seems to be some strap over them. Besides: all other stays visible in the pics are rigged with some sort of turnbuckle-like construction. Jan mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 25, 2020 Author #77 Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Keith Black said: Ilhan. what a wonderful album of photos and your drawings. In foto 39, they look like traditional deadeyes. in your drawings, S01 and S07, you have them drawn as traditional deadeyes. What has made you doubt your original thoughts? I ask not as criticism but out of simple curiosity. Thank you for posting the Loreley link, I wish you the very best in your continued efforts to realize your dream. Keit, there is no problem of criticising. You are right asking this. From the beginning I did have doubts and I do still have. I've drawn them as deadeyes (with reservation) to finish the drawings. At that time I didn't asked this here at MSW, which I'm doing now. Thanks for your wishes. druxey, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 25, 2020 Author #78 Posted September 25, 2020 Hey Jan, thank you very much for the Photos, valuable Information there. I think I may add them to my FlickR album of Loreley. Exactly, they do like deadeyes with a cover on them. From the beginning I did have doubts. It's interesting that there are so many pictures none of them having a clear view of the deadeyes. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
wefalck Posted September 25, 2020 #79 Posted September 25, 2020 I think what amateur saw was something like this (No. 238): Source: LEHNHARDT (1895) 'Takelungs- und Ankerkunde", Plate XX Keith Black, Ilhan Gokcay, amateur and 3 others 6 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Keith Black Posted September 25, 2020 #80 Posted September 25, 2020 Eberhard, I agree. IMHO #238 looks more like what the photographs show vs traditional deadeyes. mtaylor and Ilhan Gokcay 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 25, 2020 Author #81 Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, wefalck said: I think what amateur saw was something like this (No. 238): Source: LEHNHARDT (1895) 'Takelungs- und Ankerkunde", Plate XX Herr Falck, thanks for the picture. I can't see your first message, if I'm not wrong you named a ship in it. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
wefalck Posted September 25, 2020 #82 Posted September 25, 2020 No, there was only one message and I didn't name any ship ... mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 25, 2020 Author #83 Posted September 25, 2020 41 minutes ago, wefalck said: No, there was only one message and I didn't name any ship ... Ah, sorry. It was at "Segelschiffsmodellbau" and you did not mentioned any ship. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 21, 2020 Author #84 Posted October 21, 2020 Some progress. Applied sanding sealer and primer. Waterway, hawse holes and bulwark stanchions are fitted. wefalck, druxey, Wishmaster and 5 others 8 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 21, 2020 Author #85 Posted October 21, 2020 Keith Black, Valeriy V, EricWilliamMarshall and 6 others 9 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 21, 2020 Author #86 Posted October 21, 2020 PeterB010, Keith Black, druxey and 7 others 10 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 21, 2020 Author #87 Posted October 21, 2020 mtaylor, PeterB010, G.L. and 6 others 9 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ilhan Gokcay Posted October 21, 2020 Author #88 Posted October 21, 2020 Blue Ensign, KeithAug, Keith Black and 11 others 14 Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
amateur Posted October 21, 2020 #89 Posted October 21, 2020 Clean and crisp work! Jan mtaylor, Keith Black and Ilhan Gokcay 3 Quote
druxey Posted October 21, 2020 #90 Posted October 21, 2020 Great progress! Your model is looking terrific, Ilhan. Ilhan Gokcay, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
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