Vicnelson Posted June 25, 2018 #1 Posted June 25, 2018 I'm new to this forum, or any forum for that matter. HMS Agamemnon is my most ambitious model yet. Supplied by Cornwall Models in the UK. I was inspired to get this kit by Sandercott's build log http://www.sandercott.ca/modelships/agamemnon/agamemnon_build_page1.php and Harmut's log on Pete Coleman's site http://pete-coleman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=1593. I've been building model boats both wood and plastic since I was a wee one. I now prefer wood but still occasionally dabble in plastic, my last being a Tamiya kit of KGV completed in 2017. That said I'm still learning. My previous two kits came from the Del Prado magazine the Bounty and the Victory (1:100) which I enjoyed building but after seeing the very good quality of the Caldercraft kit I now realise these kits weren't all that great. Back to HMS Agamemnon (or Aggy as I call her when discussing my time in my 'man cave' to my wife - I think she understands) this was a Christmas present from her but I only started in early May due to other commitments (and waiting on some better weather to allow sitting for hours in a shed) but I have been getting on very well with the first planking completed and gunport construction underway just now. I've posted some photos which I hope others will enjoy and would appreciate positive feedback. I do have one initial question though - I've recently developed an allergic reaction to superglue (CA) and am now using Hypo cement as a replacement. Does anyone have a better alternative than this as I'm not looking forward to coppering the hull without a fast bonding adhesive. Vicnelson Photo 1. Starting on 4 May. Photo 2. Initial tructure complete and lower gundeck painted. Photo 3. making sure masts line up properly Photo 4. Upper gundeck planked Photo 5. 1st planking complete just some filling and sanding to finish. Gunports next... coxswain, ccoyle, egkb and 4 others 7 Quote
Vicnelson Posted July 2, 2018 Author #2 Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) Gunports cut out and lined using tube method that Hartmut on another forum used - I just couldn't get walnut lining to stick to 1.5mm of strip wood with out using CA (and I'm allergic to that). The tube method worked a treat. Now preparing hull for second planking. I've also added some photos of my previous completion - HMS Victory 1:100 by Del Prado. As you can see it's not a faithful representation as I liked the wooden finish with metal work on this one. Photos - Victory completed autumn 2017. Photo - Gunport lining with tube method. Photo - Getting ready for 2nd planking (without superglue!!) Edited July 2, 2018 by Vicnelson Photos came out in different order ! coxswain, JamesT1, Vinnie and 6 others 9 Quote
Jasseji Posted July 4, 2018 #3 Posted July 4, 2018 Nice Start, keep it up Quote Jacek Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64
Vicnelson Posted July 29, 2018 Author #5 Posted July 29, 2018 That's second planking complete with gun ports cut out. Used the kitchen island as a base to mark out the waterline as this is the largest flat area in the house. That's the makings of Sunday's dinner (my wife's take on Moroccan lamb - very tasty it was too) in the background. Gunwales and coppering next up. Captain Poison, Jobbie, egkb and 2 others 5 Quote
Vicnelson Posted August 2, 2018 Author #6 Posted August 2, 2018 Gunwales on and coppering started. Using 'Evostick Seriously strong adhesive' as I'm allergic to superglue. Taking a bit longer! 150 laid at time of post, only 1100 to go on this side..... I plan to burnish the plates when complete to help with any rough edges and to give it a smoother effect....any ideas out there on what best to use. I was thinking Brasso which I used to shine up my trumpet when I played in a brass band in school ( a very long time ago). Ondras71, JpR62, egkb and 6 others 9 Quote
James H Posted August 2, 2018 #7 Posted August 2, 2018 You'll be as high as a kite after using Evo on that entire lower hull 🤣 JeffT and Old Collingwood 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Vicnelson Posted August 2, 2018 Author #8 Posted August 2, 2018 It's not too bad. I think the really smelly (high as a kite glue) is the impact adhesive. The 'seriously strong' brand is clear with little smell. Problem is it takes a couple of minutes to cure so I have to put a spot on a piece of scrap wood to get really sticky before using it. I'm going through a lot of glue - just ordered another 2 tubes to keep me going. That said its better than the allergy; superglue gives me head cold symptoms for 3 days after even a whiff of the stuff. I was fine until a couple of years ago and it took me ages and lots of tissues and lem-sip before I found the cause of a whole series of miserable "colds"! egkb 1 Quote
Louie da fly Posted August 3, 2018 #9 Posted August 3, 2018 On 6/25/2018 at 7:26 PM, Vicnelson said: Back to HMS Agamemnon (or Aggy as I call her when discussing my time in my 'man cave' to my wife - I think she understands) As I understand it, her crew referred to her as "Eggs and Bacon". You're certainly making very good progress on her. Steven Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Vicnelson Posted September 2, 2018 Author #10 Posted September 2, 2018 Finally that's the hull coppered. As you can see the coppering highlighted a couple of defects in my planking at the stern leaving a bit of ridge to get around. Next ship I'll rabit the keel first before assembly of the main structure. One learns! The Evo 'serious glue' worked out ok. It left a few glue marks on the copper which I think a white spirit wash and some elbow grease will fix. It'll also identify any loose copper tiles. Then to tidy up the keel and complete and fit the rudder so I can start working on the upper hull. I think transom/rear galleries first which I see from a few other recent posts are a bit fiddly! mort stoll, Beef Wellington, James H and 3 others 6 Quote
James H Posted September 2, 2018 #11 Posted September 2, 2018 Very neat. 2500 tiles and you're still sane? Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Vicnelson Posted October 6, 2018 Author #12 Posted October 6, 2018 Just back from a holiday and back to "eggs and bacon". A bit cooler in the man cave now with autumn in full swing in the West of Scotland. Stern galleries attached and decoration started. Louie da fly, mort stoll, coxswain and 5 others 8 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 11, 2018 Author #13 Posted October 11, 2018 Just about finished the stern transom and galleries; just some painting to tidy up. Now that she has her name I thought about a naming ceremony; unfortunately as it is sober October my wife has locked the champagne away. I'll just have to wait until canny remember November!! egkb, Ondras71, John Allen and 8 others 11 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted October 11, 2018 #14 Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) The stern came together very well and seems you've got the tricky alignment just right with the various curvatures of the rails, looks very pleasing...and well done for getting the coppering done, certainly not one of the most interesting or diverse activities but looking very good. Will be following from here on if I may. Edited October 11, 2018 by Beef Wellington mort stoll, Old Collingwood and egkb 3 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
Vicnelson Posted October 12, 2018 Author #15 Posted October 12, 2018 Hi Jason Follow along. The stern was a bit fiddly and confession time; there is some wood filler in there to mask the (not so) deliberate gaps! Many thanks for your kind comments. Ian Old Collingwood 1 Quote
als2019 Posted October 16, 2018 #16 Posted October 16, 2018 New on this forum and following your build with interest as it's bringing back a lot of memories. You have seen my build of this ship from my website. You're doing a great job. Keep it up. Alan ASAT and Old Collingwood 2 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 19, 2018 Author #17 Posted October 19, 2018 Alan Thank you Ian Old Collingwood 1 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 24, 2018 Author #18 Posted October 24, 2018 Bow elements complete. Agamemnon dry fitted for now as I won't attach until bowsprit in place to avoid any damage to it. Also his helmet plume needs a lick of black paint! Painting of hull started in earnest (and yes that paint run to be removed:-( ). Ondras71, Old Collingwood, kier and 7 others 10 Quote
als2019 Posted October 24, 2018 #19 Posted October 24, 2018 You're doing great. Watch the height of Aggamemnon, I had to lower him down a tad. Alan Old Collingwood 1 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 25, 2018 Author #20 Posted October 25, 2018 Alan Thanks for warning keep them coming! I had dry fitted the bowsprit and Agamemnon has already been lowered to fit. Ian Old Collingwood 1 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 25, 2018 Author #21 Posted October 25, 2018 Apart for some touching up, painting of hull just about there. I like this part of a build as the ship starts to look like the finished article and everything from now on can be seen in the final build. GrandpaPhil, Old Collingwood, kier and 8 others 11 Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 1, 2018 Author #22 Posted November 1, 2018 Working on 18lb gun carriages - all cut out and sanded. No finger prints left! I'm unsure about what size pulley blocks for running the carriages out, etc to use as the plans only specify the retaining ropes. I'm thinking of 3mm double blocks (equating to about 7 - 8 inches scaled up). Any help appreciated. Old Collingwood, zappto, Beef Wellington and 1 other 4 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted November 2, 2018 #23 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Hi Ian, looking good there, nice prep work! Assuming you're going to be using the kit blocks, have you considered using 'tub sander' to tumble the blocks? Taking away the sharp edges makes these look more accurate and help reduce the common problem of looking too big. Also, personally I find it easier to position and drill out holes needed for the ringbolts before assembly when they can be laid flat before construction, but, just my opinion. Edited November 2, 2018 by Beef Wellington Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
Vicnelson Posted November 2, 2018 Author #24 Posted November 2, 2018 Jason Thanks for this - I had not come across a Tub Sander before but will look it up. Many Thanks Ian Quote
Lin Feng Posted November 4, 2018 #25 Posted November 4, 2018 Nice job Ian. Perhaps my build log is interesting for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoA9Op0C9N0 Cheers Lin Feng Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 4, 2018 Author #26 Posted November 4, 2018 Hi Lin Loved the video very nice build. Thank you Ian Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 7, 2018 Author #27 Posted November 7, 2018 18 pounders ready for running out tackle etc; awaiting some bits and bobs (blocks, rings and hooks for gun tackle) from Cornwall Boats. Dry Fitting channels; I'll finish gun ports lids before getting the glue out for these. Gunport lids fitted to port side; just to fit gunport ropes and I can attach port side channels; then onto starboard side. Fitting out the upper gun deck beckons - might have that done by Christmas... if I get the tackle I've ordered Running about 6 weeks behind my initial build schedule. zappto, egkb, Beef Wellington and 6 others 9 Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 15, 2018 Author #28 Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) Hanging out the washing!! Some weight to keep gunport ropes taught while glue drys. Prepping the breech ropes Laying out the 18lbs on the upper gun deck. Can anyone see my "fix" for a much earlier mistake? That's right - gunports too low when compared to deck. Luckily only occurs under top deck. Had to lower cannon by removing wheels. Oops. And no, I'm not going back to redo ports.... Very wet weather the other day and my man cave/workshop developed a drip. Lucky not on anything vital. Hoping for a dry weekend to fix the roof. Upper deck fitting attached and breeching ropes fixed to carriages but not to hull yet; gun tackle still too be started and finished. But I'm getting there I think! Need to be tidier on gratings. Edited November 15, 2018 by Vicnelson Shipyard sid, Tigersteve, JpR62 and 4 others 7 Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 15, 2018 Author #29 Posted November 15, 2018 I'm off to Portsmouth in early December to visit HMS Victory. Planning to take my 'good' camera to take a few snaps (if allowed) of bits and pieces to help with my Agamemnon build. If anyone has any requests while I'm there I'll do my best to take a photo and post it. Louie da fly 1 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted November 15, 2018 #30 Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) You really are motoring Ian and she's looking very nice! Would not have noticed the gun port height issue, very cunning fix. Good luck with the roof, also, a very nice clamp collection 🙂 Edited November 15, 2018 by Beef Wellington Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
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