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La Topaze by ChrisLBren - 1/32nd Scale - Referencing Boudriot's La Jacinthe Monograph


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Hey Group,

 

I have decided to restart this build log now that I have enlarged the plans to 1/32 and have decided to build La Jacinthe's sister ship,  La Topaze.  There hulls are identical but where they begin to differ are the deck fittings, closed bulwarks and rig.  I am following the recommended construction process in the monograph which is a bit different than previous Plank on Bulkheads builds.  As you can see here I began with a 3/4 inch thick piece of MDF reinforced by 1/2 by 3/4 poplar strips to ensure a flat surface.  

 

Many of the Ancre Monographs only depict one side of an image - so I mirror copied the plans and adhered them to the build board using 3M Artist Spray Mount.  I highly recommend this product for frame patterns etc because you can re position them easily if need be before they dry.  

 

This hull will be built upside down with the keel parallel to the build board and the bulkheads will be screwed into lugs and into the build board to ensure they are perfectly 90 degrees.  The bulkhead former will be added last - if all goes well it should slide in perfectly to the slots in the bulkheads.  

 

I am hoping to have some updated pictures after the long weekend,

Chris

 

 

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Thanks Chuck,

I saw your technique of using fishing line for treenails.  It looks really interesting.  I was going to use wire but might want to consider this.  I wonder what size you would use for this scale ?

 

I am anxious to see how this method of construction works.  As many of you who followed my Confederacy build with its long hull - I had a warp to the hull due to the plywood of about 1/16.  Topaze as this scale is also a long hull so I wanted to give this one a chance to be as perfect as possible.  

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Hey Group,

So I would love some feedback.  I fully intended to build this ship with the suggested method in the Monograph - which is unlike any method I have ever used in past builds.  Im really starting to scratch my head.  Let me explain.  

 

So as you can see in the first photo the build board has been constructed and the wooden slats you see correspond with the various bulkheads.  These are to be screwed to the bulkheads and then to the build board.  The ship is build upside down - once the bulkheads are installed you insert the former.  

 

Here's where it gets tricky - you can see I have copied mirror images of the enlarged bulkheads from the plans.  These will be copied and glued with spray mount to a vertical line drawn on the square of 1/4 inch plywood and the bulkheads can be cut out with my scroll saw.  Later the notches will be added for the former.  As you can see from the plans - I drew on "lugs" on the bulkheads - these will be screwed into the slats on the build board.  The only issue here is you need to create a reference since the heights are all different on the various bulkheads to account the deck line - which is not horizontal to the keel.  I used the edge of the plans to create the reference line.  After carefully measuring and comparing the enlarged plans to the originals - Im seeing a variance between .25mm - 1mm.  

 

Im not sure if this is due to the fact these plans were originally hand drawn by Boudriot, if its my error measuring or an error in the copying process.  

 

This whole approach seems very odd.  Not only are these bulkheads laminated - resulting in 1/2 inch thick bulkheads - the recommended method in the monograph recommended a bulkhead former or 1/8 inch - which was clearly an error - it should be 1/4 inch according to the plans. 

 

I am seriously tempted to just build up right - create bulkheads that run from deck line the the rabbit line - use a 1/8 inch wood to line the bottom of the former (to create a rabbet - like on my Confederacy build) and then add the keel and stem parts.  Also I dont really see the need to have 1/2 inch thick laminate bulkheads.  The spacing seems fine to me especially if I choose to fill in the spaces between the bulkheads with basswood.  

 

Does any of this make sense ?

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I didn't think the ANCRE plans specified "right side up" or "right  side down".   I'd say do the way you're proposing.  To do it upside down (Hahn style) will take some redrawing and calculations to get the keel straight.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans                             Triton Cross-Section   

                                                                                                                       USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War  _(Gallery) Build Log

                                                                                Wasa (Gallery)

                                                                                                                        HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Hey Group,

Bit of an update - I decided to proceed with the "upside down" method for Topaze.  I wanted to give this a try to make the planking process easier as an inverted hull secured to a build board vs planking in my lap.  

 

First step - I cut out all of the plywood blanks from a 5 and 1/2 inch wide board for the bulkheads with my new 10 inch Dewalt Saw (great buy for 380.00) and marked both centerlines and as a vertical reference point the rabbet line.  This way I will insure the keel will be level for all of the bulkheads.  I then adhered the plans to the boards using repositionable spray mount.  

 

Lastly I drew the lines for the lugs on the blanks that will be used to mount the bullkheads to the build board.  Every bulkhead will be laminated with another 6mm inch thick plywood bulkhead (without lugs) which should give me more surface to plank later.  

 

Im hoping to cut out all of the bulkheads with the Dewalt scroll saw (no product placement - just a big fan of these tools ) this weekend.  

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Thanks for the likes - so now that I have assembled bulkhead 10 - I used Gorilla Spray Adhesive for the lamination - this is great stuff - I can see why this method makes so much sense.  As you can see everything lines up on the build board. I have highlighted the bevel and left some extra meat on the bulkhead for proper fairing.  Every bulkhead - regardless of deck sheer will be 4 and 3/4 high - so the keel remains exactly parallel to the build board.  When all of the bulkheads are built and their slots created for the false keel they will be drilled into the the wooden slats and then into the build board.  

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Bit of an update - not exciting but necessary groundwork - all of the bulkheads are cut out (1/4 inch plywood laminated to approx 1/2 inch thick) with their lugs.  I have also highlighted the bevels and have left a little extra meat on the bulkheads for the faring process.   Next up - drafting the slots on both the false keel and bulkheads and cutting out the false keel. 

 

After showing my wife the various versions of this ship Ive decided to copper the hull below the waterline (this will be a first for me), the rest of the hull will be black (either dyed Pear or Ebony if I choose to make my life difficult - well aware of its challenges - this hull has very gentle lines working in my favor), the deck and masts will be pear wood and the figurehead and sculptures Euro boxwood.  

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So far, so good as the saying goes.   1/2" thick bulkheads?   I would have thought 1/4" would be good.  I'm assuming fillers between bulkheads to smooth things out for the planking?

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans                             Triton Cross-Section   

                                                                                                                       USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War  _(Gallery) Build Log

                                                                                Wasa (Gallery)

                                                                                                                        HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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That sounds reasonable, Chris. 

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans                             Triton Cross-Section   

                                                                                                                       USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War  _(Gallery) Build Log

                                                                                Wasa (Gallery)

                                                                                                                        HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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So I am about to start cutting out the bulkhead former and have attached a copy of the suggested method in the Monograph.  In the past when I have built POB upright the top of the former coincides with the deck making for longer slots in both the former and bulkheads. 

 

In the method described in the monograph you can see its much skinnier and the top of the former (well bottom in the diagram since its inverted does not follow the deck line) and just seems an arbitrary straight line for the slots which in this case are less deep in both assemblies.  Any thoughts here ?

 

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