flying_dutchman2 Posted April 25, 2020 Author #211 Posted April 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: For the time being you get the benefit of the doubt. If this really works it would be a fantastic system. But how to deal with ending planks in the bow and extra planks in the stern? Like here: You really got my attention, Marcus. Ab, I would not use these joints at the stems of the bow and stern. Similar to the picture if that ship in your post. Monday I will do a practice strake and post it so you can see. Marcus YankeeD, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 26, 2020 Author #212 Posted April 26, 2020 I could not wait till Monday so I did a strake next to the keel. Started with a straight butt beginning at the lowest wale and continued with the Dutch scarphs. Used 4 pieces of 20cm long cherry planks and a little piece to finish the strake. Creating joints when the wood is wet, let the planks completely dry and then glue them together on the hull works well. Marcus mtaylor, Elijah, G.L. and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Ab Hoving Posted April 27, 2020 #213 Posted April 27, 2020 Don't you think it would be wise to mark the lines of the bottom, the bilges and the lower wale on the hull before applying any strakes? That way you can monitor the various widths of the planking to avoid nasty corrections higher up the hull. The bottom is roughly 2/3 of the total width, the top of the bilges were mostly reached with three (sometimes 4) strakes. The position of the lower wale is there already, but has to be fine-tuned to ensure a fluent line. This is essential! Ondras71, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 7, 2020 Author #214 Posted May 7, 2020 When the weather is warm I don't work on the boat, I work outside in the garden. We did have some rain in between so I worked a bit on the Fluit. I used tracing paper and copied the curvature of the wales from the plan and transferred the lines to the hull. Compared to what I initially installed as the lower wale, the one on the plan follows the curve of the Fluit better. My original wale has a too steep of a curve towards the center of the hull. Then attached 2 long planks as a temporary lowere wale. It takes about 8 strakes from the keel to the bilge and 6 strakes from the bilge to the lower wale. Marcus gieb8688, GrandpaPhil, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 11, 2020 Author #215 Posted May 11, 2020 Started with the second layer of planking and using cherry as the 2nd layer and walnut for the wales. Practicing with getting the scarphs correctly placed together and doing it near the keel as this is an area which most people will not see if I make a mistake. Once I get to the bilge area I should be good at it. I will be planking for a while. Marcus GrandpaPhil, cog, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted May 12, 2020 #216 Posted May 12, 2020 Haven't been on your log for a while, Marcus. You have have made some vast improvements, saves, and corrections. She looks very promising now Louie da fly and mtaylor 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 12, 2020 Author #217 Posted May 12, 2020 Thanks, Carl. I am learning a lot from modelbouwforum.nl. There are several modelers that have built or are building fluits. Marcus cog and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted May 12, 2020 #218 Posted May 12, 2020 A multi linguist has advantages ... mtaylor and Baker 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 14, 2020 Author #219 Posted May 14, 2020 Thank you for all the likes and comments. 2nd layer of planking continues. I have looked at other planking from Fluits on a Dutch forum and they are different for every fluit build. Some have close to the same as my Zeehaen. My bow is not as bluff as some of the ships in 17th century Dutch merchant ships book. So there are mistakes I have made. I sanded too much wood from the bow and instead of a tight and small curve, it is a much larger curve. It has been suggested I should fill it out where my bow is dented. I will do that through planking. This is not the only Fluit I am building, I plan to do another one with cannons and will be smaller in length but the same scale. So I did a few more strakes. Two strakes a day. Scarph joints ar3 working out very well. Adding steelers at the early stage of planking. Marcus G.L., GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 15, 2020 Author #220 Posted May 15, 2020 My gadget for cutting scarph joints. Piece of 1mm thick brass at 25mm total length and the curved areas are each 2.5mm long. So the straight area is 20mm long. I use a x-acto knife holder to hold the 'scarph joint cutter blade' and with a hammer pound on the cutter to create the joints. Also I filed an edge on the cutter. Marcus cog, mtaylor, gieb8688 and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
mtaylor Posted May 16, 2020 #221 Posted May 16, 2020 Your scarf joint cutter is a great idea. Beats trying to cut with a saw and then file to match. cog 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Jean-Pierre Posted May 21, 2020 #222 Posted May 21, 2020 Hi Marcus, still going strong I see. Listen, I tried to locate on 2 Dutch Forums the flute builds you mention. I downloaded the pics from 2 builders from over 6 years ago on Modelbrouwers? And they were a great inspiration for me, both on things to do and problems to avoid. Could you please give me the links to these builds? Thank you in advance, and go on with the good work! Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 21, 2020 Author #223 Posted May 21, 2020 https://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/ghost-ship-schaal-1-28.262681/ https://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/2017-fluitschip-sint-laurens-1675-1-87.206710/ Hans from the Kolderstok company told me that the next kit he is putting together is the Fluit Zeehaen. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 26, 2020 Author #224 Posted May 26, 2020 Thanks for all the compliments, comments and likes. We've been having some very nice weather (30 to 34°C, I love the heat) so no work on the boat. Nice weather = outside in the garden. Did do a few strakes here and there last week. Scarph joints. Creating the joints is working out nicely. I am very happy with the progress I am making. Marcus mtaylor, cog, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
YankeeD Posted May 27, 2020 #225 Posted May 27, 2020 Indeed it is coming nicely together Marcus! By the way, hobbying outside in the sun is a joy mtaylor 1 Quote Current build 7 Provinciën (Englisch thread): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13719-the-7-provinci%C3%ABn-by-yankeed-scale-150-1665-according-to-drawings-by-mr-o-blom-first-wooden-scratch-ship-build/ For Dutch readers (Dutch thread): http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/nederlands-historisch-zeilschip-het-schip-van-de-ruyter-de-7-provinci%C3%ABn.216834/
Jean-Pierre Posted May 30, 2020 #226 Posted May 30, 2020 You can be happy and proud of your work, Marcus! mtaylor 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 31, 2020 Author #227 Posted May 31, 2020 YankeeD and Jean-Pierre, thank you for the compliments. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted June 1, 2020 #228 Posted June 1, 2020 Very nice scarphs, Marcus. A lovely bit of planking. Oh, and although "Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia)." I grew up in Western Australia. In Primary school we had a history book called "Australia Since 1606", which covered de Vlamingh and Dirck Hartog, the pewter plate at Shark Bay, and the naming of the Swan River and Rottnest Island. And the Fremantle Shipwreck Museum's display space is devoted almost entirely to artefacts from the Vergulde Draeck and the Zuytdorp, and of course artefacts and the remnants of the hull of the Batavia. So the Dutch discovery of Australia certainly hasn't been forgotten, particularly in Western Australia. In fact the western half of the continent (when they didn't know it was all one big island) was known as New Holland right up until the time of Matthew Flinders, who circumnavigated the continent and coined the name Australia. Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #229 Posted June 1, 2020 Steven, Thank you for the history lesson and thank you for the compliment on the scarphs and tbe planking. Marcus mtaylor and Louie da fly 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 3, 2020 Author #230 Posted June 3, 2020 Continue to add cherry planking. Slow process especially if I do it with scarph joints. Stern Mid. Bow Marcus ccoyle, cog, amazone and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted June 16, 2020 #231 Posted June 16, 2020 Hi Marcus. I don't know if this is likely to be of help to you, but I just came across an academic paper on fluyts - https://www.academia.edu/8205845/Eriksson_N._2014._Urbanism_under_Sail_An_Archaeology_of_fluit_ships_in_early_modern_everyday_life?email_work_card=title - also https://www.academia.edu/31169793/Eriksson_N._and_Rönnby_J._The_Ghost_Ship._An_Intact_Fluyt_from_c.1650_in_the_Middle_of_the_Baltic_Sea I hope it contains some information that is of use to you. Best wishes, Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 17, 2020 Author #232 Posted June 17, 2020 Thanks for the compliments and likes. Did a few more strakes. Most of the planks are 20cm long and all the joints work out. Marcus gieb8688, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 26, 2020 Author #233 Posted June 26, 2020 Now comes the fun part. The scarph joints that are next to the stem of the bow are copied from the 'Statenjacht Utrecht book'. I find that it has a neat appearance. What I don't know is that was it used on fluits. It makes sense as these planks need to be hooked into the plank next to it. I have re-done some of the planks like this instead of letting them go into a point (in Dutch that would be, naar niks). The following picture shows how the planks will becoming together. Once dry I will cut them lengthwise so two planks become one. In general the width of the cherry planking is between 6.2mm and 6.5mm. Once I started planking the 'hips' of the Fluit, the planks are between 5.9mm and 6.1mm in width. Slightly narrower but it makes for an easier lateral bending of the planks. I've made several mistakes with shaping the frames of the hull and now I am paying for it by using slightly narrower planks and fiddling with the narrower area in the middle of the hull. Live and learn. I won't be making that mistake on my next Fluit de 'Langewijk'. Marcus gieb8688, GrandpaPhil and G.L. 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 1, 2020 Author #234 Posted July 1, 2020 Second layer of planking on one side below the upper deck is completed. As I mentioned before planking the bluff bow is an exercise on its own. Planking the hips is not as difficult as I thought. Planking the sides from the upper deck up, should be easy. Once all planked the sanding begins. Marcus Louie da fly, GrandpaPhil, G.L. and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 8, 2020 Author #235 Posted July 8, 2020 The second layer of planking is finished on main area of the hull. What is left is the sides and the hip area. Once planking is completed there will be much sanding to do to get it all nice and even. The final planking will be the last planks for the wales. I did some dry fitting of positioning the different decks and masts as this will give me complete picture of what it will look like. Marcus mtaylor, Farbror Fartyg, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 11, 2020 Author #236 Posted July 11, 2020 Today wasn't as hot so I decided to do a rough sanding on the part of the hull that has a second layer of planking. I sand an area and leaving the sawdust on the hull. Then I take a mixture of glue and water and brush this on the hull mixing with the sawdust pressing this in the cracks that are between the planks. I do this until the cracks are eliminated and the hull is smooth. The black square on the bow is where I sanded a bit too much. So I will cut it out and re-plank the area. Marcus YankeeD, GrandpaPhil, G.L. and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 16, 2020 Author #237 Posted July 16, 2020 Repaired the bow and added crack filler. Did a first sanding of the hull, patched the cracks again and will do a second sanding in the next couple of days. After that, will finish the rest of the planking on the sides of the hull. From looking at all the pictures I have from Fluits this area is clinker built. I will continue to study the books. Marcus amateur, Landlubber Mike, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 30, 2020 Author #238 Posted July 30, 2020 Thanks for all the likes. Did some serious sanding of the hull today and it is coming along nicely. Still need to do a few areas. Once done I will plank the sides of the hull. Sand some more and then glue the 3rd and final layer of the wales. Repaired the right side of the bow. Marcus cog, Jack12477, Landlubber Mike and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Jean-Pierre Posted July 30, 2020 #239 Posted July 30, 2020 Getting beautiful indeed. Your hard work pays off! Maybe (a little?) at the expense of the grass? mtaylor, Landlubber Mike, flying_dutchman2 and 1 other 4 Quote
amateur Posted August 8, 2020 #240 Posted August 8, 2020 What's wrong with the grass? It is green, and looks healthy. That's mre than you can say about my grass...... the model is getting along nicely. Fluits are the more difficult togetitright: nasty roundings everywhere.... Jan cog, flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 3 Quote
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