Byblos by Schrader - FINISHED - 1:32 - Egyptian Seagoing Ship

[KeithAug]

Hellmuht.

 

Just caught up with your build. Very fine craftsmanship but more importantly you are teaching me so much about the construction of these ancient vessels. Thank you.

 

 

[Schrader]

thanks to you for following this log

[Schrader]

5 hours ago, wefalck said:

Oh, I forgot, yes they got the wood from there. The Lebanon cedar still is a pretty knotty wood ... and there is a chicken-and-egg-problem: you first to have ships to import the wood ...

You are righ🤔t 

[Schrader]

Here we go again.....this weekend I’ve been working in the helsman’s platform.....

 

As almost everything in this ship this particularly puzzle has been tide....

 

 

 

[Schrader]

Last pictures to see the overall views....

 

 

Next step the oars!!!!.....

[BANYAN]

Stunning results mate; worthy of display in a museum.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Schrader]

No!!!!!

 

it is not that much. But I appreciate your kind words 

[Boxbuilds]

I knew early Egyptian shipbuilding involved tying but never knew it went to this extent.  Thanks for this excellent lesson/example.  

[Boxbuilds]

so I may have missed the explanation.....how did the shipbuilders plug the holes?  It must have shipped a lot of water??  And the knots...were there descriptions of how lines were attached or were they gleaned from illustrations?  Thank you.

[Louie da fly]

On 9/22/2020 at 9:24 AM, Hellmuht Schrader said:

it is not that much.

I'm not sure I agree - I think this really is worthy of being in a museum! Looking forward to seeing the oars.

[Schrader]

8 hours ago, Boxbuilds said:

so I may have missed the explanation.....how did the shipbuilders plug the holes?  It must have shipped a lot of water??  And the knots...were there descriptions of how lines were attached or were they gleaned from illustrations?  Thank you.

 

the holes were like “V” shape in the interior going just up to the middle of the thickness. They were not seeing from the exterior. 
 

talking about the knots....  I did not find any specific annotations about it

 

However I realized that using those that helped me with “tension” worked well

 

thanks for your comments  

 

[Schrader]

Just to clarify a little bit more...

 

[Boxbuilds]

Thanks Hellmuht, this is intriguing.   I appreciate your explanation.  I wonder if the methods left over from ships made with tied rushes became a natural progression to building wooden ships for the Egyptians. Something must have interfered with logic that led other cultures to wooden pegs and nails for fastening....hmmm.  I will read up some more on this.

[Schrader]

Thanks for following...... This ship belongs to the 5th dynasty......  by then, the wooden ships were just starting,  they used tied rushes (according with some documents) because 

 

1.  This was about the copper age.... they did not have materials strong enough to work with
2. They tied their ships - again this is speculation- because this method allowed them to assemble and dissemble the ship, allowing them to transport it in pieces.

 

 

[Schrader]

Weekend advances.....

 

Oars in its place.....  

 

• The oars length were something that I had to deal with.  Accordingly with Landstrom, today we don’t know if these oars were really for rowing or for helmsman. 
• We don’t know if they were rowing stand or seated.

So... I decided to build them assuming they were for rowing and the oars men were stand....

 

Also, they had a very special way to fix them to the ship.......guess what!!!!!  They also were tied 😄

 

here some pictures.....

 

[Schrader]

Now the oars for the “really” helmsmen.  According with the pictures in documents they were six..... And also There are different versions about it.... some pictures put he oarsmen stand some seated...... I went with the stand version

 

Also they have some differences in the blade form.....Take a look

 

 

 

 

Here some pictures....

 

[bigpetr]

It looks great. How did they steer with them? Just by rotating around their axis?

[Schrader]

There are two theories 

 

one is the one you just mentioned. This one is with the oars in the position I just used  They are tide in two position. 

 

the other one is they steer moving  the oars like “rowing” With the angle needed to have the ship in the right direction.  They would be tide in just one place (like the oars are)  
 

so???? Pick just one
 

 

[Louie da fly]

That's a very good result, Hellmuht. This is a very enjoyable log to follow. (I'm learning a lot)

[Schrader]

Here w go again.....

This time we are going to work in some fittings.....

 

 

This picture “suppose” to be the mast elevation system. I consisted (according with Landstrom mainly) in two stones that with a levers help.....

 

For these stones and for the anchor... I decided to work with a kind of stone named “powder stone” or “talcum stone” (probably you all have different name for it). Is kind of stone really easy to work with. I made the pieces using basically the dame tools I use for wood, finishing them with a wired brush to give some “carving effect “....

Here some pictures about the anchor process.....

 

 

[Schrader]

Here some pictures with those fittings already in place....

 

[Schrader]

I already ”made” a false stop in my showcase......

 

Still the yards to make...... and the ship is really finished.

I started the diorama design already. This is going to be a new adventure!!!!!

Thanks all for your support!!!

[bigpetr]

Excelent. And what a beautiful showcase.

 

It took me some time to figure out how the levers worked, but I get it😀. My brain must be lazy today (hopefuly only today😀)

[Schrader]

Not at all. It was my fault. I should explain that bet🙂ter 

[mtaylor]

Thanks for sharing this build log.  It's been something totally different than what we normally see and quite fascinating.

[Schrader]

Thanks to you for being there all time.  

[BANYAN]

Well researched and executed; a lovely model!  Nice collection of historical boats there also.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Louie da fly]

Very nice work on the counterweights.

 

Unless I miss my guess, that is the stone called soapstone in English, or steatite. Sceatha used it for his ship, too.

[Schrader]

You are right Louie. After looking the stone composition and definitions it is the same stone

[KeithAug]

impressive and for me very educational. Thank you.