Edwardkenway Posted January 30, 2021 Share #721 Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: Indeed Edward, between the Two obstructions I think it decided the battle on the allies side - not foregetting the Brilliant squares aswel. OC. Yes indeed, Wellington chose the battlefield well, but it was touch and go for a while, especially with the charge of the British heavy cavalry which could have been a total disaster, but Blucher and his Prussian army kept his promise and turned the tide in the last couple of hours or so. Old Collingwood, EricWilliamMarshall, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 30, 2021 Share #722 Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: I was thinking about the scale of the battle (I thought my little dio is going to be big enough at 36 X 20Inches) imagine if I could have built the whole battle field in 28mm ............I would need about 100feet square I would think. OC. Oh man, that would be one hell of a dio, I've seen one in 6mm and 15mm but as you say you'd need a fair space at 28mm. I think the actual battlefield was about 4 or 5 square miles in area, though without looking it up ,I can't be certain popeye the sailor, Canute, EricWilliamMarshall and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share #723 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Oh man, that would be one hell of a dio, I've seen one in 6mm and 15mm but as you say you'd need a fair space at 28mm. I think the actual battlefield was about 4 or 5 square miles in area, though without looking it up ,I can't be certain Just loooked on a battle plan and it shows the battle area as 3 miles across and 2 miles deep converting that into 28mm I think is something like - 565 Feet x 377 Feet For a Dio of the whole battlefield. that is Massive. OC. Edited January 30, 2021 by Old Collingwood Jack12477, Canute, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted January 30, 2021 Share #724 Posted January 30, 2021 That is huge, the Royal Greenjackets Museum has a 25sq metre dio, with over 30,000 men, gun and cavalry. This is 1:72 scale Baker, Canute, Egilman and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #725 Posted January 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: That is huge, the Royal Greenjackets Museum has a 25sq metre dio, with over 30,000 men, gun and cavalry. This is 1:72 scale Amazing find you would need either one of those camera drones or a camera on a long stick to get close up pics of that. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 31, 2021 Share #726 Posted January 31, 2021 That's about 4 football fields. Holy cow! popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted February 1, 2021 Share #727 Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) On 1/30/2021 at 6:21 PM, Edwardkenway said: that would be one hell of a dio Folks might be interested in this book: Wellington's Smallest Victory : The Duke, the Model Maker and the Secret of Waterloo It can be had cheap used and speaks to the desire to ‘do the whole of it’! Edited February 1, 2021 by EricWilliamMarshall Edwardkenway, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #728 Posted February 1, 2021 7 hours ago, EricWilliamMarshall said: Folks might be interested in this book: Wellington's Smallest Victory : The Duke, the Model Maker and the Secret of Waterloo It can be had cheap used and speaks to the desire to ‘do the whole of it’! Thank you Eric. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, EricWilliamMarshall and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted February 1, 2021 Share #729 Posted February 1, 2021 On 31-1-2021 at 12:51 AM, Edwardkenway said: That is huge, the Royal Greenjackets Museum has a 25sq metre dio, with over 30,000 men, gun and cavalry. This is 1:72 scale 30000 men gun and cavalry on 1/72 scale... I'm jealous 😉 Roger Pellett, Old Collingwood, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch To do : Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 1, 2021 Share #730 Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Backer said: 30000 men gun and cavalry on 1/72 scale... I'm jealous 😉 That's probably a lifetime or two maybe three project. Incredible. Some years ago, there was TV show here in the States that did the Battle of Gettysburg using miniatures. Took them a year to film it. Old Collingwood, Baker, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted February 1, 2021 Share #731 Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mtaylor said: Some years ago, there was TV show here in the States that did the Battle of Gettysburg using miniatures. Took them a year to film it. Some 40 + years ago there was a tv show on Saturday morning in England that refought famous battles in miniature, the ones I remember best were, 1st Bull Run, Waterloo and Trafalgar. The tables must have been 10' × 20' and the miniatures were always fantastic, basically it's what got an eight year old boy into proper wargaming instead of setting up knocking down games. Mark do you happen to know the name of the show? I'd love to see it. Edited February 1, 2021 by Edwardkenway EricWilliamMarshall, Baker, Egilman and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 1, 2021 Share #732 Posted February 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Mark do you happen to know the name of the show? I'd love to see it. No I don't. It was maybe 30 years ago when I lived in Missouri. If I comes back to me, I'll let you know. Old Collingwood, Egilman, Edwardkenway and 2 others 4 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 1, 2021 Share #733 Posted February 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Mark do you happen to know the name of the show? I'd love to see it. 11 minutes ago, mtaylor said: No I don't. It was maybe 30 years ago when I lived in Missouri. If I comes back to me, I'll let you know. Well while yuse guys are giving the synapses a workout, you may want to check out Little Wars TV Here's an example of what they produce.... It is aimed at the wargamer of course.... but their model recreations are excellent.... EricWilliamMarshall, Edwardkenway, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #734 Posted February 1, 2021 That video looks excellent and that chap almost on the verge of reinactmant vs wargamer. OC. Egilman, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #735 Posted February 1, 2021 Also I came across this little gem - Sharps very own discussing Warerloo, have yet to watch the whole thing. OC. EricWilliamMarshall, Egilman, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted February 1, 2021 Share #736 Posted February 1, 2021 I found the British TV show Called Battleground and hosted by Edward Woodward. I got two of the battles wrong, they were Gettysburg and Battle of the Nile, not Bull Run and Trafalgar. I also took some years off me as I was 13 not 8🙄 that's what happens when you try to recall events from 43yrs ago They did six episodes and they are on YouTube popeye the sailor, EricWilliamMarshall, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #737 Posted February 1, 2021 Thank you for finding that Edward, think I remember it - probably as a kid wishing I could paint Airfix figures like that. OC. popeye the sailor, Egilman, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #738 Posted February 2, 2021 Here's the playlist if your looking for what's available.... mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share #739 Posted February 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Egilman said: Here's the playlist if your looking for what's available.... Thank you brother - excellent find. OC. Canute, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share #740 Posted February 2, 2021 These are contermpory drawings from the time showing the Grey slate roofs and a good amount of damaged Whitewash coming off the walls showing the Brickworks. OC. popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #741 Posted February 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: These are contermpory drawings from the time showing the Grey slate roofs Well the timbering and lengthwise beams would be the same, but they would nail or peg the slate tiles to the roof, I would surmise that the damage would be represented by a hole surrounded by missing and broken slate tiles, the slate being a dark bluish grey wouldn't show a lot of smoke damage.... I would tile the roof using plates of a suitable material and paint a black spot on the MDF underneath to represent the hole. you probably wouldn't see the timbering cause the timbers would fracture out from underneath the plates leaving nothing but the jagged slate edges..... I'll do some research..... Edwardkenway, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share #742 Posted February 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Egilman said: Well the timbering and lengthwise beams would be the same, but they would nail or peg the slate tiles to the roof, I would surmise that the damage would be represented by a hole surrounded by missing and broken slate tiles, the slate being a dark bluish grey wouldn't show a lot of smoke damage.... I would tile the roof using plates of a suitable material and paint a black spot on the MDF underneath to represent the hole. you probably wouldn't see the timbering cause the timbers would fracture out from underneath the plates leaving nothing but the jagged slate edges..... I'll do some research..... Thank you brother, do you think they would have had insendery devices fired out the French Canons as surely a bog standard canon ball would not have caused a fire? OC. mtaylor, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #743 Posted February 2, 2021 Got a pic brother, it is of Kenmore House which was used as a union hospital several times during the civil war, Several of the Battles it was involved in were Fredrickson, The Wilderness , Spotsylvania court house to name a few... It was hit with 11 cannonballs during the war, and this one photo shows the damage resulting from the cannonball penetrating a wood framed roof.... 3x4 timber rafter framing with a 1" board sheathing with a slate roof over that at the time of the war..... You can see how the wood splinters to the inside of the hole and would leave fractured tiles on the outside.... A relatively small hole..... Rik Thistle, Edwardkenway, EricWilliamMarshall and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #744 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: do you think they would have had insendery devices fired out the French Canons Yes in fact heated shot was long used by French and British forces, (mostly naval forces) from the early 1700's.... so it's entirely possible that both sides used it..... Below a hot Shot furnace built just before 1800 at Fort-la-latte in France.... In 1792, the Austrian forces besieging Lille used heated shot against the city, which was described as a war crime by the French Republican press. The last known use of Hot Shot was by the ironclad CSS Virginia against the USS Congress during the Civil War successfully setting her afire.... So yeah it's entirely possible..... Edited February 2, 2021 by Egilman Old Collingwood, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted February 2, 2021 Share #745 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) Could also have been fused mortar/howitzer shell, basically hollow shot filled with gunpowder and a fuse. Bit of a gamble because the fuse had to be cut the right length, else it went off too early. A bit like the grenades, that the grenadier companies used in the early 1700s Edited February 2, 2021 by Edwardkenway Egilman, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share #746 Posted February 2, 2021 Thank you EG. Edward thats put some things into context - food for thought, quite a few decisions regarding the time frame during the day I want to show early on and the damage to the farm was limited but later on towrds the late afternoon is when the French attempted to set fire to the barn if not the farm to draw the KGL out. OC. Canute, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #747 Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Edwardkenway said: Could also have been fused mortar/howitzer shell, basically hollow shot filled with gunpowder and a fuse. Bit of a gamble because the fuse had to be cut the right length, else it went off too early. A bit like the grenades, that the grenadier companies used in the early 1700s Round ball fused shot, commonly known as "Bombs" as in "Bombs bursting in air" from the National anthem were around since the 1300's, in the late 1700's the british refined them by adding a sabot, a round piece of wood so the fuse would always face the muzzle when loaded.... lighting the fuse was enacted by the flash blowby in the barrel from the propelling charge.... they were an effective anti personnel weapon but the fusing was completely unreliable only actually working about 40% of the time..... Just before the civil war they went to pointed "Bombs" which were a bit more reliable but still less than 60% effective.... During and shortly after the civil war they went to percussion fuses and detonators which made them 80% effective..... Grenades date back as far as the 1200's..... Edwardkenway, Canute, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share #748 Posted February 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Egilman said: Round ball fused shot, commonly known as "Bombs" as in "Bombs bursting in air" from the National anthem were around since the 1300's, in the late 1700's the british refined them by adding a sabot, a round piece of wood so the fuse would always face the muzzle when loaded.... lighting the fuse was enacted by the flash blowby in the barrel from the propelling charge.... they were an effective anti personnel weapon but the fusing was completely unreliable only actually working about 40% of the time..... Just before the civil war they went to pointed "Bombs" which were a bit more reliable but still less than 60% effective.... During and shortly after the civil war they went to percussion fuses and detonators which made them 80% effective..... Grenades date back as far as the 1200's..... Thank you brother for keep finding this info - really will help my build plan. OC. popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #749 Posted February 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: Thank you brother for keep finding this info - really will help my build plan. OC. They also had shrapnel charges as well, invented by a Lt. Shrapnel of his majesty's own in the 1780's.... Canute, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted February 2, 2021 Share #750 Posted February 2, 2021 They also had howitzers which could lob shell and shot. As already stated, fusing was hit or miss, although they preferred air-burst shells for antipersonnel use. For direct fire against attackers, they had grape shot, rather large lead balls. As we neared the American Civil War, case and canister were developed for antipersonnel use, with better fuses. Like General Sherman said, was is hell. mtaylor, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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