wayne mcmullin Posted September 28, 2020 Share #1 Posted September 28, 2020 thinking of model shipways essex but want to add masts and rigging, looking for ideas if there is a similar kit with masts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahka_est Posted September 29, 2020 Share #2 Posted September 29, 2020 11 hours ago, wayne mcmullin said: thinking of model shipways essex but want to add masts and rigging, looking for ideas if there is a similar kit with masts Hi, If you just want materials then it would be easier to buy that from Model Expo together with the kit. ATOS Essex should give info about dimensions etc. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle17 Posted September 29, 2020 Share #3 Posted September 29, 2020 Aeropiccola had a kit that had a sail and spar plan. I am not sure of the scale. This kit may no longer be available through normal channels as they may have closed shop under that name. Also I would only use this reference if available as a starting point not as a defacto standard. Joe Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Posted October 1, 2020 Share #4 Posted October 1, 2020 If you want a real challenge find an old Model Shipways “Yellow Box” version of the Essex. Canute, mtaylor and Richvee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted October 1, 2020 Share #5 Posted October 1, 2020 Someone mentioned AOTS, which is 32-Gun Frigate Essex (Anatomy of the Ship, which would be the best source, depending on your budget. Not cheap, but Googling shows copies for less than $50.. While there are those who would argue the details, the general arrangement of the Constitution might be an option. There are lots of resources for Constitution rigging plans. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted October 1, 2020 Share #6 Posted October 1, 2020 Wayne, I built a fully rigged Essex from the MS kit, using the AOTS Essex as the primary source for the rigging. My build log is on this site and is referenced in my signature. Bob Ryland Craze, trippwj, mtaylor and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted October 5, 2020 Share #7 Posted October 5, 2020 Just found this in another discussion: Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted October 6, 2020 Share #8 Posted October 6, 2020 The problem with model shipways new Essex Kit is that They made it in an oddball scale of 1/76.2! That will definitely complicate the conversion math. I don’t understand why they didn’t just make the kit in 3/16th scale like their confederacy. Rafine’s Essex build was just beautiful, and should be carefully studied by anyone making the kit. Canute, mtaylor and rafine 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted November 30, 2020 Share #9 Posted November 30, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 9:24 AM, PAPA said: If you want a real challenge find an old Model Shipways “Yellow Box” version of the Essex. I actually have this kit. Machine carved hull. The plans and instruction booklet are real nice. I purchased it back in the mid '80's. My Kate Cory is nearing completion and I've dug out the kit and started poking around here for some Essex logs. I'm not sure I'm up to the challenge of this 1/8" scale kit. It's going to require a lot of scratch building, as there's no way I'd use many these old metal fittings for grates, bitts, barricades, etc. There sure is no lack of info here about these ships, and @rafine's Essex log is an inspiration, and it also reminds me just how much I have to master to get decent results on such a model. mtaylor, rafine, ccoyle and 3 others 6 Quote Rich Member - Ship Model Society of New Jersey Current Build: Pride of Baltimore 2 Finished: Kate Cory Finished for now (Not rigged): Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Posted December 1, 2020 Share #10 Posted December 1, 2020 I purchased my Essex in 1968 give or take. The “instruction booklet” was about 4 pages. Like 1 8.5 by 11 sheet cut into fourths. It said something like “here is a bunch of wood. Shape the hull, use dowels for masts, and thread for rigging. Good luck”. I marched along very slowly as best I could. In the 80s MS produced a very nice instruction book which helped greatly. In fact I ended up undoing some things and making it better. I also coppered the hull (I had painted it greenish and was not happy with that.) Moving along, I was still rigging it in the 2000s. I finally finished so 40 years after I started. mtaylor, Canute, Rik Thistle and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Posted December 1, 2020 Share #11 Posted December 1, 2020 here are a couple shots of my Essex, taken around 2006 WalrusGuy, Richvee, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samueljr Posted December 1, 2020 Share #12 Posted December 1, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 10:01 PM, uss frolick said: The problem with model shipways new Essex Kit is that They made it in an oddball scale of 1/76.2! That will definitely complicate the conversion math. I don’t understand why they didn’t just make the kit in 3/16th scale like their confederacy. Rafine’s Essex build was just beautiful, and should be carefully studied by anyone making the kit. The scale was requested by Eric Snow (who was managing ME at the time) It is the same scale as the CONSTITUTION. He felt the same scale would (obviously) give a sense of size and proportion to a contemporary vessel and might even spur multiple purchases - Sam Cassano Jr Wayne, the kit is based on the original launch appearance so the best source of masts & yard sizes would be Prebele's notes / logs that list them. After that you've got to decide what year / era you're going to present and research to that time frame as there were considerable changes made to the rig as was the actual appearance and armament Sam mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNDER DEVELOPMENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted December 1, 2020 Share #13 Posted December 1, 2020 Hi Sam You mentioned "under development again." At what scale? 1/48 scale, if a consideration, would be big but just beautiful. Bob Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samueljr Posted December 1, 2020 Share #14 Posted December 1, 2020 Bob Sorry about the "under development again" line that was / kinda an inside joke when I put it on m y profile. I was doing some design work for a couple of different manufacturers on spec. I've got to take that thing off. I did want to do ESSEX larger but my bosses wanted it at 1:76 (scale conversions) were just a pleasure to do - lol Sam Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNDER DEVELOPMENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reilly Posted December 1, 2020 Share #15 Posted December 1, 2020 You had my hopes up Sam... Bob Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samueljr Posted December 1, 2020 Share #16 Posted December 1, 2020 Sorry Bob (Let's not hijack Wayne's thread) Wayne, I actually did drawings of the masts and yards based on Prebele's notes/logs . I don't know if I have them anymore Sam Canute, Richvee and mtaylor 3 Quote ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNDER DEVELOPMENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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