JohnN Posted November 10, 2020 Share #1 Posted November 10, 2020 I have recently begun the Pram build, and thought I would log the build. I am watching SkiBee's build log (https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25495-norwegian-sailing-pram-by-skibee-model-shipways-scale-112/) as well. I find the build board and forms are too thin. The board warps with a few rubber bands on the hull, and the supports tend to bend and do not like to remain vertical to the build board. Also, I should have removed char from the build forms as they leave residue on the planks, which I find unsightly. I had the stern transom holder break twice. The first time I reinforced with super glue; the second I added supports, which can be seen in the photos. The stern transom was a bit loose, but it was manageable. The bow transom holder was a bit loose, but I managed to firm it up by inserting some folded paper into the holder slot. The bow holder is glued to the base. I was told by one of the Model Expo reps via email that the laser etched bevel lines are on the wrong side of the planks; however, I decided to continue using the planks with the bevels line on the upper outside, even though the planks angles are reversed at the ends. There seems sufficient length to give an acceptable result. One of the garboards has a real scale 1.5 inch split, so I had to request a replacement. I am considering planking one side while the replacement ships. Photo soon Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share #2 Posted November 10, 2020 Duanelaker, yvesvidal and Ryland Craze 3 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBee Posted November 11, 2020 Share #3 Posted November 11, 2020 Looks great, I had the same problem with the build board as you, I glued both transom holders. It really could use more molds, I think that would prevent the bending of the planks when putting rubber bands around them while the glue dries. Quote Current Projects: Completed Projects: Phantom New York Pilot Boat - Model Shipways - 1:96 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Long Boat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Norwegian Sailing Pram - Model Shipways - 1:12 Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted November 11, 2020 Share #4 Posted November 11, 2020 Use the rubber bands over the molds and transoms - no need for in between - no distortion. Ryland Craze and druxey 2 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Working on planking one side, garboard and second strake installed. Sheer shows good alignment to markings on bow transom and stern transom. Progress .... Edited November 12, 2020 by JohnN yvesvidal, ccoyle and Ryland Craze 3 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBee Posted November 15, 2020 Share #6 Posted November 15, 2020 Fantastic job planking the port side!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your planks came out right on the line. Keep up the great work. Quote Current Projects: Completed Projects: Phantom New York Pilot Boat - Model Shipways - 1:96 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Long Boat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Norwegian Sailing Pram - Model Shipways - 1:12 Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted November 16, 2020 Thanks @SkiBee. More photos coming soon. What sort of stain/finish did you use on the thwarts and floorboards ? They look really good on your Pram. Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBee Posted November 16, 2020 Share #8 Posted November 16, 2020 JohnN - I used Minwax pre-stain then I used Minwax Golden Oak, I wiped it off fairly soon after I applied it. I did practice on the bottom of some thwarts. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Current Projects: Completed Projects: Phantom New York Pilot Boat - Model Shipways - 1:96 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Long Boat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Norwegian Sailing Pram - Model Shipways - 1:12 Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted November 17, 2020 The hull is now fully planked. The build is progressing nicely. On to the interior details. ThirdCoast, Ryland Craze, yvesvidal and 3 others 6 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) The hull is finished, except for the stern transom notch, and paint prep. I installed the rub rails before the rowlock pads, rather than after as in the instructions. I wanted to sand the rub rail, sheer, inwale tops prior to cutting the chain plate slots and gluing the rowlock pads. I am not precise enough to have perfectly aligned tops otherwise. The seat and thwart frame installation was confusing, in that the instruction photos do not show detailed top height for most. They are about right, it seems, but a bit more installation detail would have been helpful. The mast step is not as described in the instructions, both parts in the kit have holes, so I added a solid piece as a third layer just under the mast hole. The thwarts are test fitted, and will be removed prior to priming. I like to use light grey spray primer prior to color coats, and will do this to the entire hull one I have cleaned up a few dents/gaps. I did not have the colors I wanted for the hull, so must wait for their arrival. Edited November 19, 2020 by JohnN VTHokiEE, Ryland Craze, kurtvd19 and 2 others 5 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBee Posted November 19, 2020 Share #11 Posted November 19, 2020 Your build looks amazing, so much better then mine. Had the same problem with the instructions. Quote Current Projects: Completed Projects: Phantom New York Pilot Boat - Model Shipways - 1:96 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Long Boat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Norwegian Sailing Pram - Model Shipways - 1:12 Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Thanks very much @SkiBee. Full disclosure; I built the MS Dory kit twice before moving on to this Pram. There are two photos of the second build on the MS web site if anyone is interested. (https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Lowell-Grand-Banks-Dory-Model-Wooden-Model-Ship-Kit-124-Scale_p_3957.html) The second Dory was much better than my first effort. I have woodworking experience, which as helped, I think. However, planking is definitely a new skill. These kits are very much different from plastic or resin kits, in my experience. I also wanted to mention my maximum Pram hull width was an actual 1/8 inch narrower than the max mentioned in the instructions. This concerned me, but it seemed to be about the correct width, as the bottom frames required little modification when installing. Edited November 20, 2020 by JohnN Ryland Craze 1 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted November 20, 2020 Share #13 Posted November 20, 2020 Your Pram is coming along nicely. I checked out your dory photos on the Model-Expo site and you did a good job on building that model. It looks like this series of kits are a nice introduction into building wooden ship models. Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted November 21, 2020 Thanks @Ryland Craze. I created a gallery of the Dory Ryland Craze and Duanelaker 2 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted November 21, 2020 I decided to build the kit supplied display stand. Ryland Craze and Duanelaker 2 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Work began on the gaff and boom. I notice the printed material in the instruction booklet WRT these items appear to NOT be to scale. I am attempting to print at the correct size and will report the adjustment required. This is puzzling as I used the measuring strips on the previous page of the instructions for frame and thwart supports installation, and these seem to be properly placed. Edited November 21, 2020 by JohnN Ryland Craze 1 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Post scan and reprint of plan page above, at 102%. Note the gaff is on the plans for calibration. The gaff is exactly registered to the plans, the camera has distorted the photo slightly. 🙄 It would seem prudent to print scales on such instruction pages to allow verification/calibration. This in light of @kurtvd19's comment below. For a relative novice, these sorts of errors are a potential minefield. Edited November 21, 2020 by JohnN wool132 and kurtvd19 2 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted November 21, 2020 Share #18 Posted November 21, 2020 Some of the books had some pages not printed at 100%. I am sure this has been corrected for future prints. Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) The Pram is painted, floorboards and thwarts installed. I have finished the boom and gaff, the main mast is shaped, and needs its fittings installed. The Pram interior is Hull Yellow Ochre (MS4829) and the exterior Blue Trim (MS4811). The floorboards and thwarts are stained red oak and have a coat of satin polyurethane applied. I did add some material to the inboard floor cleats as the floorboards flanking the dagger board case were not level. The last photo used a flash as I needed front fill, but it is rather harsh light. It also shows that the interior needs a bit of touch up work. 🤣 Happy Thanksgiving, all !!! Edited November 26, 2020 by JohnN Ryland Craze and ccoyle 2 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted November 26, 2020 Share #20 Posted November 26, 2020 I like the color combination and also the red oak stain. I am a big fan of Minwax Wipe on Poly clear satin finish when I want to put a clear coat over the unpainted or stained portions of a build. Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted November 26, 2020 Share #21 Posted November 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Ryland Craze said: I like the color combination The colors are a close match for this season's home and away kits for Everton FC. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) Added Stay Plates and Oarlock Pads The Everton FC resemblance is purely coincidental. 😀 Edited November 26, 2020 by JohnN druxey, Matt D, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 26, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 26, 2020 It looks great, John! Quote Current Build: HMS Winchelsea 1:48 (Group Project) Completed Builds: Virginia 1819 Artesania Latina - 1:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share #24 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) Thanks @Matt D. @SkiBee, did you paint the stay clips and oarlocks brass or gold ? Based on your comments, I fabricated new, and longer, pintle straps using the PE frame, which look and worked better than the kit supplied parts, IMHO. Rudder is hung; it needs a bit of touch-up, but not today. The kit supplied 18 brass nails (WP0993) ,but the kit requires 22 🙄. 8 for oarlock pads, 2 for back stays, 4 for rudder pintles, 6 for rudder gudgeons, 2 for mast top backstays. (The parts list says 16 are needed). I left off the two inboards on the top gudgeon, and I think I will just ignore the holes. It's not worth the effort for 2 of these tiny parts. However, the mast is another matter, so I guess it's back to MS customer support. Edited November 27, 2020 by JohnN additional info addes Ryland Craze and druxey 2 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiBee Posted November 27, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 27, 2020 Great pintels, I painted my oar locks and hooks with some Testors copper, it’s what I had Quote Current Projects: Completed Projects: Phantom New York Pilot Boat - Model Shipways - 1:96 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Model Shipways - 1:24 18th Century Long Boat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Norwegian Sailing Pram - Model Shipways - 1:12 Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share #26 Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) Sail construction today, waiting for complete drying to make holes and begin lashing. Somehow, I lost the leech strip I had fabricated and had to make do with remnants. The kit did not include much spare sail material. The yellowish tinge is a result of the glue wash. Edited November 29, 2020 by JohnN yvesvidal, wlell, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share #27 Posted November 29, 2020 Sail completed. yvesvidal, Ryland Craze, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted December 1, 2020 While awaiting the arrival of additional brass nails from Amazon, I installed the traveler, using a block purchased from MS (1/4 in walnut). Also prepped are the mast stays and fittings installed on the mast. Pondering the next build as well, suggestions are welcomed. Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) The mast is installed and rigged. When installing the backstay straps at the top of the mast, I found using a full length brass nail, super gluing the strap to the nail, then trimming the nail shaft was much easier than trying to push a very short nail through the strap hole. Fortunately, I now have plenty of spare nails for experimentation. I was hoping to leave gluing the backstay straps to the mast until the stays themselves were installed, but the holes I drilled were too loose, and I was forced to approximate strap position and glue. Otherwise, the rigging was straightforward. The depth of field on the camera was quite a chore to get mostly correct. Edited December 4, 2020 by JohnN spacing between photos Duanelaker 1 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnN Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) The sail has been raised and rigged. All that remains are the oars and oarlocks. Edited December 7, 2020 by JohnN spacing between photos bobandlucy, wlell, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote In Progress: Completed: Knarr 1:35 MS Norwegian Pram 1:12 MS Grand Banks Dory 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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