HMS Pegasus 1776 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:64 - 16-gun sloop

[Mirabell61]

Hello Peter,

 

Thank you for your words...

 

I´ll follow your suggestion to allow sailing as well......, but without rigging masts and sails. Trust that will be a good compromize

 

here is a rough illustrated thought i have for rowing mode : capt. at the tiller, six men at the oars, two mastfoot positions with additional support attached to seat 2 + 6

ref. to hand scetch

 

the sailing mode : two masted, without stays (masts just stuck in place), sails acc. a little bit to the rigging of a naval marine cutter for rowing and sailing, but without triangle-foresail

Due to the long keel I think that a swivel-centerboard can be avoided

 

 

 

 

arrangement with 6 seats for rowing, (one sailor per seat, long oars)

 

 

 

this is a lovely cutter rigging ( borrowed from the web), although its heritage, it may perhaps be too modern ?

 

 

 

this could be the arrangement for rowing / sailing my jig...

 

 

 

Peter, please feel free to let me know your opinion

 

Cheers 

 

Nils

 

 

 

 

[Mirabell61]

Update on Captain`s gig....

 

 

 

mast holding fittings and bow clues and and some small parts still missing, but at this stage it looks like what I had in mind

 

 

 

 

 

gig fits in on the gallows

 

 

 

the captain saw that the rudder still requires seaworthy varnish

 

 

 

 

 

 

staggered oar-hold port / stb for rowing with long oars, 1 man per seat

 

 

 

two crew members are eager to get her into the harbour basin for trials

 

 

 

the tiller can be slipped in also with the curve upwards

 

 

 

Nils

 

 

 

[themadchemist]

....amazed as always....

 

the figures give a nice idea of her scale.... as does your finger.

[rafine]

Beautifully done Nils.

 

Bob

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much Keith and Bob,

 

I`m glad you like the Little boat

 

Nils

[michael mott]

Wow the figures really do put this little boat into perspective. Very nicely done Nils.

 

michael

[Mirabell61]

Thank you Michael,

 

I`m just thinking about how to make the oars for stowing them on the boat (Need 6 of them )

 

Nils

[Stockholm tar]

Nils,

 

I like your boat, it looks great. However, you might want to think about the diposition of the crew. You have drawn them 'single' banked (one per thwart or seat), rather than 'double' banked (two per thwart), which is fine for the captain's gig – but I doubt they would have sat in the centre of the thwart.

 

I remember from my sea scout days, where we had a large pulling and sailing gig, that the crew sat on alternate sides, the oars (about 12' long) being over the opposite side of the thwart. Thus the bow oar, no. 3 and no. 5 (or 'stroke', the one nearest the coxswain or helmsman, and from whom the others take their timing) sit on the port side and their oars are out to starboard. Nos. 2 and 4 sat on the starboard side, with their oars out to port. I seem to remember we only used five oarsmen, rather than six, which would mean keeping this system might be problematic! Normally the bow oar was stowed with the blade facing forward and it was also a little shorter, due to the curve of the bow. I think it was also stowed down the centre of the boat, for ease in getting it out.

 

Incidentally, I had a look in my (1972) Admiralty ManuaI of Seamanship and they have the same disposition for an RN montague whaler, which your drawing somewhat resembles, although the after mast is rather smaller.  I hope this helps, rather than confuses!

Edited December 20, 2014 by Stockholm tar

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much Kester,

 

thats a very nice and informative Input, especially because you experienced pulling on a gig yourself.

 

Now that the mast supports are fixed to thwart #2 and #6  the Crew oarsmen will be forced to sit on the opposite side to where the oars stick out, so that will be in compliance to your comment, thanks again....

 

Nils

[flyer]

Hi Nils

 

Your proposed sailing equipment for your boat looks good to me. In ‘Anatomy of the ship Pandora’ I found the following picture of a 28-foot pinnacle which confirms your disposition. Pandora was built in 1779 and I use her occasionally as reference for Pegasus.

 

 

If you allow a small critical comment: I think the rudder looks a bit to heavy compared to the graceful rest of the boat. But perhaps it’s only a question of the perspective.

 

Cheers

Peter

Edited December 20, 2014 by flyer

[Stockholm tar]

Nils,

 

Yes, that should work. It means, of course, that the thole pins or rowlocks will have to be moved forward on the starboard side.

[Mirabell61]

thanks Peter,

 

thats a very nice drawing (Pandora related pinnacle), thanks for sharing, I`m sure the one or other fellow builder may have interest in for building this boat type...

 

For my build I also had the Feeling that the rudder could have been a tiny bit lighter, but I must admit, that the Patience to do it over again was not strong enough, so decision.... leave as is....

If I should hapen to do a small craft in this style again, all this would certainly be dealt with accordingly

 

Cheers

 

Nils

Edited December 20, 2014 by Mirabell61

[Mirabell61]

Nils,

 

Yes, that should work. It means, of course, that the thole pins or rowlocks will have to be moved forward on the starboard side.

 

Thanks Kester,

 

the first rowlock on stb-side was moved a bit forward, tust all is OK now.  The place for the boat is limited on the Pegasus, perhaps I should have chosen a dinghi or so, but I liked the shape of the gig....

 

Nils

[Stockholm tar]

Nils,

 

Yes, I rather meant the forward one. Everything should be then be fine.

 

Regarding the space on board you could always remove the rudder and tiller from the gig, and stow in in the sternsheets which was often the practice.

[Mirabell61]

Thank you Peter,

 

its good to have comments from fellow builders.....

Peter once its been said and that in line with my own feeling I could`nt resist to trimm the rudder....,  took some bulkyness from the rudder-head and from the bottom bow (underwater part), am pleased now. Need to start with the oars now

 

 

 

 

Kester,

 

thanks again for your kind advice on the rowing and seat arrangement, am realy pleased with the result now.

Yes I think I`ll take the rudder off when placinig the boat  on the ship, but have to complete rigging and sails first

 

Have just added the forward and aft hooking-in eyelets

 

 

 

 

Nils

[Martin W]

Great work, Nils.  And the discussions on the arrangement of the crew, oarlocks, and rudder are all informative and useful -- not only for us fellow Pegasus/Fly builders, but I think for anyone getting ready to build the boats.

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

[Beef Wellington]

Boat looks fantastic, Nils. Seems you are continuing the trend of getting some super detailing on these small beauties. Well done.

[Mirabell61]

Martin and Jason,

 

thank you for looking in and for the appreciations,

yes Martin, there are quite a lot of small boats om MSW, so one can study quite a lot before doing an own small build

 

I think its only been an intermediate episode Jason, seeing the empty space on my Swan Class and the inspiration to build a ships boat through B.E. and Bob (Rafine), and many others....)

 

Nils

[Stockholm tar]

Nils,

 

Looks all ship-shape now!

[Mirabell61]

Build log part 70

 

 

the little gig is now complete, first prototype for the oars is made

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oar length appr. 2,3 the max beam width

 

 

 

oar shaft diam. 2mm, made from bamboo, could be a bit less but risk of breaking under rounding the shaft

 

 

 

fits in for the "HMS Pegasus" space on the gallows (in actual it would be a 28 ft gig).

I`ll better have to take off the rudder (hook it out)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nils

Edited December 21, 2014 by Mirabell61

[captainbob]

What a beautiful little boat, and the shape of the oar is exquisite.

 

Bob

[Mirabell61]

Thank you Bob,

 

I still have enough of those Bamboo rods (for supporting flowers) of which I do the oars from. Very high tension resistant material and easy to chip and cut and sand

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

an anchoring device for securing boat to the strand....

 

 

the little dreggen anchor from the Amati photo etch sheet is really too small, so I soldered my own one from brass, 16 mm long and appr. 15mm diam. over the four pikes

 

 

 

 

the midget anchor was considered too small (bottom left

 

 

 

boat has fallen dry at Cornwalls Atlantic coast

 

 

 

anchor hooked over the sheer capping

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nils

 

 

[Martin W]

Nice work on the anchors, Nils.

 

Martin

[Mirabell61]

Thank you Martin,

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

set of oars is complete, trial pulling in the Harbor basin can now be done

 

 

wishing a happy and relaxing Christmas time to all fellow builders, and NMSW Administration staff, and with best regards

 

Nils

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2014 by Mirabell61

[Martin W]

Beautiful work, Nils.  I didn't think you'd be able to shape bamboo into such fine lines.

 

Happy holidays to you and yours!

 

Martin

[NMBROOK]

Great work Nils and fabulous attention to detail with the different oar lengths

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family

 

Nigel

[Mirabell61]

Martin,

 

Thank you,

 

I have so far very good experience with cutting bamboo into shape. The Major Advantage is that when it splits (wanted direction) it splits in a straight line. For shaping I use a table combi-grinder, my Drilling machine and a scalpel and some fine files, and sanding paper

 

A happy Christmas time also to you

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

Great work Nils and fabulous attention to detail with the different oar lengths

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family

 

Nigel

 

Thank you Nigel,

I saw on the web, related to oar-lengths that there is a factor in relation to the boats beam at that place, That makes sense, especialy when the oarsman sits opposite to the rowlock.

 

Also many thanks for the kind greetings, which I return with many regards

 

Nils