lawn_knome Posted June 5, 2021 Share #1 Posted June 5, 2021 I am new. building ship. most interested in the rigging. working on 1770 6th rate British frigate 0.0115 scale from period plans and books. Interested in historical accuracy within the sailing aspect. I would love for my plan of working running rigging to work and be able to move sails and yards by pulling sets of strings, but unrealistic weights and frictions may cause too many problems. Keith Black, ccoyle, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 5, 2021 Share #2 Posted June 5, 2021 Welcome to MSW. Answers to a couple of questions would help.... which ship? I'm not sure what 0.0115 scale is... do you have the more standard type of scale like 1:48, 1:30, etc.? Keith Black 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted June 5, 2021 Share #3 Posted June 5, 2021 Welcome. 0.0115 is 1/87 (HO)? Emphasizing the rigging will be interesting. mtaylor, Keith Black and Blackreed 3 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted June 5, 2021 Share #4 Posted June 5, 2021 LK, welcome to MSW. Once you get settled in you need to start a build log because I and I'm sure others are going to want to look over your shoulder. mtaylor and Blackreed 2 Quote Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Holt Posted June 5, 2021 Share #5 Posted June 5, 2021 Welcome! Keith Black and Blackreed 2 Quote Tim Current Build: Swift Pilot Boat 1805 (AL) On Deck: Triton Cross Section, Harvey (AL), Falcon US Coast Guard (AL), Flying Fish (Model Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted June 5, 2021 Share #6 Posted June 5, 2021 Welcome aboard!...Moab mtaylor and Blackreed 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jarman Posted June 5, 2021 Share #7 Posted June 5, 2021 Paul mtaylor, Keith Black and Blackreed 3 Quote In work Amati-rms-titanic-1912-1250 Unfinished kit Revell Container-ship-colombo-express Finished AL - King of the Mississippi AL-Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted June 5, 2021 Share #8 Posted June 5, 2021 Keith Black, Blackreed and mtaylor 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch To do : Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted June 5, 2021 Share #9 Posted June 5, 2021 Hello, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted June 6, 2021 Share #10 Posted June 6, 2021 Lawn, A very warm welcome to MSW. If you have never built a model ship before, you may want to consider something less complex than a rated ship for your first project. With hundreds of running rigging lines it is difficult to just rig them and fix them in place let alone rig them so they are working tackle. Just getting to belay, release and re-belay one or two lines would be cumbersome at best. Still, I am sure everyone here wishes you good fortune. I really hope this works as it will be a very interesting journey for us to follow. Allan mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawn_knome Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted June 24, 2021 re allanyed. I have been thinking and studying a lot about the workings of rigging and I'm realizing that the scale will play huge part of the mechanisms actually being able to work. I'm not so worried about the hull persay wood working is fun and I can make a working hull just maybe not so detailed. I really want to share a revelation I had talking with an rc hobbyist I met at a job. He told me that the problem with the working lines will be resistance and said make it bigger, and adding weights to the load and reducing resistance in the sheaves will make the lines will flow through the blocks much better. That's going to be the problem with the mechanical advantage in a model. By the time all the parts of line work through the block, there will be no line pull strength between the sheaves and the lines will go slack and get wrapped up in other parts before the load moves if it moves at all. I also learned a lot about radio controlled devices. I admit I don't know much about scales and can hardly call myself a modeler, so I pose a question to real modelers. Is it important to be within the constraints of a certain scale? the reason being, I believe I'm going to start fresh with a new scale if I have any hope of making the rigging work similar to how it was supposed to in real life. If the ship is 126 feet long what scale could I use to get to around 4.5 feet Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted June 24, 2021 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2021 Hi and welcome to MSW! The scale for 4.5 feet would be 1:28. You might like to play with that a bit - perhaps 1:30 (which is 2'6" to the inch) and would be a bit over 4'2". But I would agree with allanyed that it would be a lot easier to get this all to work if you built a simpler ship - perhaps a naval cutter like the Cheerful? Good to have you aboard Steven Keith Black, lawn_knome and mtaylor 2 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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