Farbror Fartyg Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) By the way, will you be adding potentiometer/rheostat to the lighting so you can dim them? Or will the brightness be fixed? I've found they need the adjustment depending on the ambient light. I think something has to be done about the brightness of the LED, but I'm thinking about a more low-tech solution - a filter. The viewer is meant to peer into the diorama box through a rather small opening. The opening has let enough light through for the whole thing to actually function as a night light, so it can't be too small. It can't be too big either, as that would be too revealing. You want draw the viewer in close. I have to make sure the light is just right. Filtering the LED's light will, if done right, do two things. Firstly it can help sell the illusion that you're looking at an underwater scene. And secondly it will soften the light so that the viewer isn't blinded. I decided on using a white LED because none of the other available colours felt right. It's fairly easy to change the colour and intensity of white light with a filter. This will be fun to watch. You could take a look at what model railroaders do, dust the wreck with the silt of your choice (if you can't find it outside somewhere, alternatives can be had by the bag from the MR shop), then fix the dust with a mist of diluted PVA glue that will be completely invisible when dry. Rust, dust and gunk can be had as acrylic paint and pastel chalks used for highlights. Per Thanks! Dilluted PVA is a very good idea! Why didn't I think of that ... I've actually used it before, as a fixative for drawings. ROV update: I made an ROV, with kitbashed parts on a wooden box (housing the LED) but I didn't like the result, so I scrapped it. Instead I decided to make the LED housing, and some other parts, out of thick aluminium foil. The advantage is that the foil is already opaque and metallic, so I won't have to paint it to prevent light leaks and to get a metal finish. The flotation tank on top, and the side "grilles" are made from styrene. I've also been going over the www with a fine-toothed comb for wreck pictures. Frightening stuff ... Sam Edited August 6, 2013 by Farbror Fartyg CaptainSteve 1 Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted August 13, 2013 Welcome back to Making Possible Things Seem Impossible, with your host - Farbror Fartyg. I've done some work on the ROV. As I'm sure you can deduce from the picture, the parts are too big and heavy to lift. I'm using the very latest in ship building technology - pasta packaging. My poor, unfinished Sovereign made a cameo as wreck in this pic. The metallic bits are, as previously mentioned, aluminium foil. If I ever need to change the LED, it comes right off. The tubes are glued, but they aren't glued to the LED iteself. To fit the filter, and to make the "spotlight" smaller, I made a wooden plug, drilled a tiny hole in it, painted it, and inserted it in the LED tube. The filter is made from the pasta packaging seen in the pic above. The light looks very green in photos taken by my mobile camera ... looks a bit better in reality. I'm pretty pleased with the effect, though. It looks sort of underwater-ish. 4whelr, popeye the sailor, PopJack and 1 other 4 Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndeconte Posted August 14, 2013 Share #33 Posted August 14, 2013 The result looks great! Nice progress on the ROV itself also. Quote Neal DeConte Rhode Island COMPLETED: 35" Orca Boat movie replica, first wooden/scratch built boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted August 14, 2013 Share #34 Posted August 14, 2013 Very creative and interesting. I too am hopping on this bandwagon to watch, I can't wait to see the next installment! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmack Posted August 17, 2013 Share #35 Posted August 17, 2013 one product you might consider for silt is Fuller's Earth...applied over a coat of PVA it could work very well. We use it a lot for model film work since it scales really well and when it's not glued down it hangs in the air when we blow stuff up or crash things into the ground. Great concept and I can't wait to see how you execute it...looks great so far! Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceblue Posted August 17, 2013 Share #36 Posted August 17, 2013 I've always been facinated by dioramas and this one's a great idea. Years ago I had a friend who did military dios. He actually used to suck the hard coating off of chicklets chewing gum and use the center to make very realistic looking sandbags. I've been an aquariest for years and one of the ways we used to make it look like moonlight in our aquariums was to use blue LEDs. Very pleasant on the eye and gave a very nice looking deep water scene. Perhaps you coud use the blue leds in a position that can't be seen by the veiwer to slightly light up the scene and the less bright whites somewhat recessed on your rover to give it more of a spotlight effect on the ship. Really looking forward to seeing this wreck of a project. Sorry. Couldn't resist the play on words. I'm sure it will be fantastic. Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) I've always been facinated by dioramas and this one's a great idea. Years ago I had a friend who did military dios. He actually used to suck the hard coating off of chicklets chewing gum and use the center to make very realistic looking sandbags. Hahaha! Sandbags - I have another one for you! Here there's a breakfast cereal called "Havrefras" (something like "Oat Crispies" in English). They're cushion shaped and if you soak them ever so slightly in diluted PVA, you can shape them with your fingers. Soak, knead, stack ... and once dry, hey presto! Instant sand bagged position for your troops! Aaahh ... off topic ... Sam Edited August 17, 2013 by Farbror Fartyg Piet, NAZGÛL, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 20, 2013 Share #38 Posted August 20, 2013 is it possible to regulate the voltage with LED lights....like a dimmer? Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 20, 2013 Share #39 Posted August 20, 2013 Havrefras huh! Didnt know that. Were modelling with food now? Damn... /Matti SkerryAmp, Farbror Fartyg and CaptainSteve 3 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted August 20, 2013 Share #40 Posted August 20, 2013 Havrefras huh! Didnt know that. Were modelling with food now? Damn... /Matti In the world of modeling NOTHING is safe -and anything is considered fair material!!!! -Adam Farbror Fartyg and mtaylor 2 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted August 27, 2013 Share #41 Posted August 27, 2013 Hello Sam, Happy birthday. I wish you a beautiful day. Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 27, 2013 Share #42 Posted August 27, 2013 Happy Birthday, have a great day Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 27, 2013 Share #43 Posted August 27, 2013 Happy Birthday, Sam. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 27, 2013 Share #44 Posted August 27, 2013 happy birthday............and a bottle of cheer! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share #45 Posted August 27, 2013 Hey! @Popeye I'll take that ... should I drink it before or after the red? Thanks everyone! I really appreciate it. I'll get the build log moving again in a bit. For some strange reason clients want me to actually finish sites I'm building for them ... [insert your best superlative] Regards Sam trippwj 1 Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted August 28, 2013 Share #46 Posted August 28, 2013 Happy Birthday Sam! Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted August 28, 2013 Share #47 Posted August 28, 2013 Happy Birthday Sam! Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyguysteve Posted August 29, 2013 Share #48 Posted August 29, 2013 I'm usually just a mere 'lurker' watching, looking and learning from the creative individuals here. But like everyone else I'm pulling up a bayonette and having a seat, watching what promises to be an awesome build!! Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted August 29, 2013 Share #49 Posted August 29, 2013 Hey Steve, don't sit down just yet. A bayonet??? You'll have one sore tuchus my friend Cheers I'll drink to that. Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 29, 2013 Share #50 Posted August 29, 2013 Can someone please move over a little...I can't see properly, and keep your heads down you lot up front. This sounds very interesting and I will be following this with interest. I doubt you will have any competition. Is it just me? I have never heard of such a thing as an underwater diorama as you envisage, but it sounds fantastic. Okay, I'll shut up if you hurry and get started. Errol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvKRmmDhvgA Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #51 Posted August 29, 2013 Thats a cool dio in that vid. There are a few nasty comments though... /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 29, 2013 Share #52 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) i will delete the link if required, i never read the comments and i dont have sound on my work PC i was infact looking for a Titanic model wreck site forum, not found yet though Edited August 29, 2013 by Kevin NAZGÛL 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted August 29, 2013 Share #53 Posted August 29, 2013 Farbror Fartyg, Hmm this thing with Havrefras (remember I liked them as a kid), back in the stone age Hope you don't take away food from your kids, they may never forgive you for it, however I am looking forward to see this "wreck site" Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #54 Posted August 29, 2013 i will delete the link if required, i never read the comments and i dont have sound on my work PC i was infact looking for a Titanic model wreck site forum, not found yet though Ah, no problem with the link. I just have a problem with youtube commenters that talk down nice videos. Ive seen to many examples of people -even small kids- showing something they are proud of, and then someone thinks its funny to bully them in the comment field. It makes me sick. But I liked the video. /Matti CaptainSteve, Kevin, trippwj and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 30, 2013 Share #55 Posted August 30, 2013 hope you don.t mind me putting links in onto your thread, always happy to remove, i just wanted to show members all the different ideas in creating the effects http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=123&topic_id=2785&sub_topic_id=2786&mesg_id=&page= Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted August 30, 2013 hope you don.t mind me putting links in onto your thread, always happy to remove, i just wanted to show members all the different ideas in creating the effects http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=123&topic_id=2785&sub_topic_id=2786&mesg_id=&page= I don't mind. No worries. Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 30, 2013 Share #57 Posted August 30, 2013 awwwwww, don't listen to all those idiots........they don't know good stuff when they see it I enjoyed the link....from there, I watched the ten part sage of the Titanic sinking, as well as the Britanic and the Lusitania. folks who post such rubbish should be flogged! Kevin, CaptainSteve, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share #58 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Inspiration returned. Like a ninja climbing over the walls of Osaka Castle in a b-movie, the will, nay, need, to model LED-lighted wrecks in boxes slowly stalked, and finally cornered me ... I've done a bit of thinking and I've decided to do just the bow of the wreck, lighted by an ROV hovering above it. That way the whole thing can be kept within reasonable size. The size of the LED dictates the size of the ROV, and the size of the ROV dictates the size of the wreck (ROVs come in different sizes, I know. Somehow I just want a small one - Sea Owl-style). Doing a bow section will allow me to sculpt a nice figurehead for the wreck, and I've found one I want to do: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7303-cooling-off-complete-with-chills-down-the-spine/ Even though I haven't worked on this project for a long time, I've been thinking about it a lot. All sorts of ideas, both bad and not so bad ones, have been considered. For example, I toyed with the idea of installing small fans in the bottom of the diorama box so that dust/pigment/something could be blown around to simulate silt being stirred up. It wouldn't work, but it would be cool if it did ... For the wreck I've decided on a POL (Plank On Lump) approach. I've enlisted the help of my often-frowned-upon friend Mr Balsa Wood to create a bow shaped "lump", onto which planks and details will be attached. Edited January 17, 2015 by Farbror Fartyg tarbrush, CaptainSteve, trippwj and 2 others 5 Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Griffith Posted January 17, 2015 Share #59 Posted January 17, 2015 Wow. looking forward to your progress, Farbror! Duff Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted January 18, 2015 Share #60 Posted January 18, 2015 Farbor Fartyg, First of all, a late Happy New Year - ett sent Gott Nytt År! I am so glad to see you back at this setting.I know how it is being away from the "yard" for a while, then coming back..... looking at it, taking a deep breath and letting out the same deep sigh. At the same being re-inspired and getting into it. Looking forward the see more..... of the wreck in deep. Farbror Fartyg 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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