Mayflower by tj456 - 1/19 scale

[tj456]

On 12/2/2022 at 9:10 PM, Dave_E said:

Does your wife know your using the dining room table? 😳

The stand so far.

Hahaha.   Yes she was worried about her tablecloth but I told her it was prestained and just glue drying

[tj456]

Here's the starboard side planked.  The 2nd iteration of spackle is drying.   The spackle hides my worst errors and when sanded properly still allows the planking lines to show like a real ship.  

[tj456]

Off topic but both Dave and Yves commented.   This is my sound system.  Over 800 watts per channel and quad amped.  The speakers are all JBL concert speakers.  Yes this baby rocks!

[tj456]

23 hours ago, tj456 said:

Here's the starboard side planked.  The 2nd iteration of spackle is drying.   The spackle hides my worst errors and when sanded properly still allows the planking lines to show like a real ship.  

Final spackle and sanding. Painters tape removed and  gun port locations roughed in.

[tj456]

On 12/4/2022 at 7:21 PM, tj456 said:

Here's the starboard side planked.  The 2nd iteration of spackle is drying.   The spackle hides my worst errors and when sanded properly still allows the planking lines to show like a real ship.  

Final spackle and sanding. Painters tape removed and  gun port locations roughed in.

 

Starboard side done.

[tj456]

Starboard side done.

[tj456]

Final touches on the starboard side.   Channels and a cathead.  I'm also in the process of applying multiple clearcoats to protect the paint.

[tj456]

Here's a picture of the finished hull.  I'm 6'1" which should give you an idea of the size. 

[TOM G]

That's going to be a fantastic model when done, a sure one of a kind.👍

[tj456]

Here's the model on the stand I made.  The white styrofoam is of course temporary until I make proper cradles.  I've been busy the last 2 weeks clearcoating the model for protection.

[Dave_E]

Going to be really BIG when finished! 😳👍

[tj456]

It's been slow work.  Deadeyes are hard to make, and now half of the 28 are done and in. 

[Baker]

Nice work.but some advise.
your dead eyes are too high above the channels

[allanyed]

6 hours ago, Baker said:

your dead eyes are too high above the channels

About when did the deadeyes go from triangular in shape to round?   

Allan

[tj456]

Too high above the channel?  Please explain.  Also every ship I've seen has round or oval deadeyes.  The ones on the Constitution in Boston are almost round and the size of a person's head. 

[Baker]

2 hours ago, tj456 said:

Too high above the channel?  Please explain.  Also every ship I've seen has round or oval deadeyes.  The ones on the Constitution in Boston are almost round and the size of a person's head. 

 

[Baker]

2 hours ago, allanyed said:

About when did the deadeyes go from triangular in shape to round?   

Allan

do not know.
I think the era of this ship is a transition period.
from triangular to round

[Alvb]

For this Era I would assume triangular or pear shaped deadeyes. 

 

Alvb

[allanyed]

5 hours ago, tj456 said:

The ones on the Constitution in Boston are almost round and the size of a person's head

Such a huge model is a marvel to me and such a great opportunity for detailing.  Congrats on taking up the challenge!

 

Regarding your comment on the Constitution, normally it is a not usually a good idea to use a ship of one nation  from 1600 as prototypical to one from another nation from 1800 without researching each item first.   The differences are vast.  Just as the shape of the hull and the scantlings changed continually,  the rigging styles and items changed in size, shape and methods of belaying changed continually as well.  For example, we often we see modern ship models with belaying pins when there should be few or none at all for that type and era of ship.   If you have a chance to study David Lee's book on rigging, you will see that he shows many changes of rigging from 1625 to 1860 for British ships alone.   R.C. Anderson's on rigging book would also be useful as it is mainly for the 17th century.

 

Regarding the shroud rigging, the lower deadeyes sat differently on the channels.  The support that ran from the deadeye down to the hull  was flat iron until about 1720 when two or three long links plus a strap came into use.  I do not recall ever seeing small linked chain like in the photo in post #7 above but perhaps someone else has.  Slots in the outer edges of the channels on British ships was not introduced until 1771.  Prior to that, there were square holes in the channels set back from the edge.   There are photos of models including those of the Mayflower and the Prince Royal (1610) at Royal Museum Greenwich Collections website that you might find helpful even though they are not contemporary built. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects

 

Allan

 

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2023 by allanyed

[Alex-Ks1]

On 12/17/2022 at 5:23 PM, tj456 said:

Here's a picture of the finished hull.  I'm 6'1" which should give you an idea of the size. 

there is nothing like doing them big. I do the same,  good work 

[Alex-Ks1]

One more thing, My wife said, one more of them dust collectors come in this house, you can move in the garage .. LOLOLOL

[Alex-Ks1]

this is my Niagara . the hull is 8 ft, then about 18 inches for the bow sprit 

[Alex-Ks1]

what a dummy I am, this was to be in MY LOG    LOLOLOL. sorry for the screw up. 

[mtaylor]

3 hours ago, Alex-Ks1 said:

what a dummy I am, this was to be in MY LOG    LOLOLOL. sorry for the screw up. 

No worries.   Seeing that you added them to your log, I deleted your posts here.

[tj456]

I rebuilt the deadeyes.  I  tried to make triangular ones but they just didn't look nice, so I'm going with the round ones.  It may not be historically correct but I don't care as this is for display.

[tj456]

Here's the main master crow's nest.  I'm a couple of weeks from rat lines and any advice would be appreciated.   There's several ways I can think of proceeding but I'd like to hear from someone who's actually done it.  Thanks in advance.

[tj456]

I finally finished all 28 deadeyes mounted to the ship.  I've also repositioned the ship so I can work on both sides for rigging. 

[tj456]

I'm experimenting with different ways to make deadeyes.  On the left is one using thick rope bound with thin rope.  Next over I put used an 18 gauge wire for going around the deadeye and thin rope to bind the thick rope to the assembly.  The 2 in the clamps  I drilled a hole to mount the 18 gauge wire and used the thick rope to go around the deadeye and bound everything together with the thin rope.  I think this is the option I'll use.  It seems to be the easiest to build and looks pretty good too.

[Dave_E]

The ship is coming along great, but those trains are a real distraction! I wonder if I could talk my wife into giving up a 4X8 corner of our downstairs family area. 🧐 😆

[Alex-Ks1]

Very impressive , its going to be a real keeper