OcCre "Save The Date" Release?

[GGibson]

Noticed on OcCre's website that their home page has a "Save the Date - 10/21/2023 - Limited and Numbered Edition" announcement.  

 

Hmmm... Anyone have any inside info... or wild guesses... on what it might be?!?  Curiosity killed the cat... 

[Keith Black]

 Below are several possibilities......

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/today-in-history/october-21.html

[GGibson]

Duhhh, never thought about looking that date up in naval history!  <doh>  Thanks, Keith! 

[ccoyle]

Please, please, please not another Connie!! 🙄

[ASAT]

C’mon man, this ain’t Vanguard Models we’re talking about! 😀

[SteveA]

They gave it away with the 1765 clue, must be the Bonhomme Richard.

[Morgan]

21 October - Trafalgar Day, and who was launched in 1765 - Victory!

 

Gary

[James H]

Pretty sure I know what it is, and Micro-Mark accidentally posted it on their website by accident, presumably during the announce embargo.

 

The page link now points to 'page not found'. I have the correct link, so I know it existed.

 

 

[GGibson]

Guess I missed where they referenced 1765 as a clue... We shall find out soon! 

[Morgan]

24 minutes ago, James H said:

Pretty sure I know what it is, and Micro-Mark accidentally posted it on their website by accident, presumably during the announce embargo.

 

The page link now points to 'page not found'. I have the correct link, so I know it existed.

 

 

It’s still out there on Google, but as you say the link doesn’t work.  
 

Admiralty style from the look of it, fashioned from Oak - not your typical model building wood!

 

Gary

[Keith Black]

3 hours ago, Morgan said:

21 October - Trafalgar Day, and who was launched in 1765 - Victory!

 Yeah, I think that pretty much nails it. 

[Morgan]

There are a number of images still out there (erroneous courtesy of Micro-Mark), she is the usual OcCre wood pallet, but the model seems naive in part, and accuracy seems to be of passing concern.  It could be these are not of the completed model, we’ll have to wait and see, but the missing Poop deck is significant.  The open framing is interesting, although again seems underdone for a supposed price of circa US$1,700!

 

It seems the Middle Deck, as well as the Upper and Weather decks (or at least those included so far) is somewhat detailed. Detail for the Lower Deck isn’t discernible, but there is a nascent Orlop. I’m tending toward these being interim construction photos, those yardless masts hint at that.  We’ll have to wait and see.  

 

Gary

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Morgan

[GGibson]

Thanks for the advanced analysis and insight, Gary. 

[myxyzptlyk2003]

Model Expo just dropped the ad for this on sale for $1200.

[Morgan]

I see the Micro-Mark photos were indeed at some earlier stage, the Model Expo site shows the finished model, with Poop, Boats, and a full set of yards and sails.

 

Gary

[GGibson]

46 minutes ago, myxyzptlyk2003 said:

Model Expo just dropped the ad for this on sale for $1200.

 

Got the email just now from Model Expo, as well...  Kinda ruins OcCre's unveiling, huh?  <shrug> 

[SteveA]

Oh well, I guess it was wishful thinking on my part for something other than another Constitution or Victory iteration. 😴

[JeffT]

Plank on frame so I guess thats something different.

[OllieS]

So a partial POF with some better components of  Victory..

I admire Occre for doing this.

Anything that extends the hobby has to be a good thing and they are very active compared to others.

I would be very interested to see an independant unboxing and kit review.

[OllieS]

Best Box btw

[Morgan]

Just watched the release video feed live, very much a high level production. Not much in terms of constructional photos of the guts of the model, but looks to have each deck rigged with cannon, but nothing to see as yet beyond that.  It seems like a nice attempt to produce something in the Admiralty style, but rigged! 
 

I’m torn as to my views of it, I like the concept but for the time and money they have invested it falls short on accuracy, for example in producing the frames why not get the scantlings to scale and properly detailed if the details are laser etched.  It also has elements that are of a standard in keeping with a decorative model.

 

More details still required, so the jury remains out on this one for me.

 

Gary

[GGibson]

As a relatively new amateur, the video presentation is amazing, very impressive, in my humble opinion.  I will leave the greater analysis to those that are historians of the Royal Navy and the Battle of Trafalgar.  Looking forward to reading more details from fellow hobbyists as you dive into this massive project.  Best wishes! Fair winds and following seas! 

[JeffT]

I love the concept but the price is a bit scary. You could get it for a lot less from model expo right now though.

[Cold_Fire]

Am I the only one that thinks this is a very expensive toy, nothing more and nothing less?

Any resemblance of a correctly scaled and accurate model must be a coincidence.

[Morgan]

11 minutes ago, Cold_Fire said:

Am I the only one that thinks this is a very expensive toy, nothing more and nothing less?

Any resemblance of a correctly scaled and accurate model must be a coincidence.

It is a mish-mash of styles for sure, and clunky!  Certainly not sure about Oak as the ribs and frame, not easy to work or detail at that size so won’t lend itself to modification.  Also, that lattice frame approach to all the decks could easily have been substituted for a proper set of deck frames as they are all laser cut. A lot of authenticity lost for more than over simplifying the design.

 

Also at 1:87 that is a really odd scale, OcCre don’t seem to have settled on a uniform scale.

 

Gary

[Cold_Fire]

4 minutes ago, Morgan said:

It is a mish-mash of styles for sure, and clunky!  Certainly not sure about Oak as the ribs and frame, not easy to work or detail at that size so won’t lend itself to modification.  Also, that lattice frame approach to all the decks could easily have been substituted for a proper set of deck frames as they are all laser cut. A lot of authenticity lost for more than over simplifying the design.

 

Also at 1:87 that is a really odd scale, OcCre don’t seem to have settled on a uniform scale.

 

Gary

Check this video:

https://cdn.shopify.com/videos/c/o/v/13c5bd39e4ec40d69cc81e76b89887f1.mp4

I don't know if beams are just strips or lasercut, but I see flat decks. The model just doesn't make any sense.

[Morgan]

Interesting, no camber anywhere. The release video shows the parts are laser cut, so why not put that extra detail in?

 

All for a regular price of USD $1,700 / €1,400.  The price and detail run contrary to where the leading manufacturers are.

 

It seems a matter of style over substance.  Maybe we are missing the point and the target market isn’t the discerning modeller.

 

Gary

Edited October 21, 2023 by Morgan

[Cold_Fire]

5 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Interesting, no camber anywhere. The release video shows the parts are laser cut, so why not put that extra detail in?

 

All for a regular price of USD $1,700 / €1,400.  The price and detail run contrary to where the leading manufacturers are.

 

It seems a matter of style over substance.  Maybe we are missing the point and the target market isn’t the discerning modeller.

 

Gary

I'm watching this and my comments come from a modeler perspective.

If you think it as a product, I don't doubt it will probably have success.

[GGibson]

1 hour ago, JeffT said:

I love the concept but the price is a bit scary. You could get it for a lot less from model expo right now though.

 

$1,200 if you're one of the first 25 to order... <shrug>

 

I'm back to thinking about adding one of the USS Constitution kits/plans to my shipyard... <2nd shrug> 

[Canute]

Why did they use a model railroad scale of 1:87? Run a train line onto the pier where the ship is moored?😕