GGibson Posted October 9, 2023 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2023 Noticed on OcCre's website that their home page has a "Save the Date - 10/21/2023 - Limited and Numbered Edition" announcement. Hmmm... Anyone have any inside info... or wild guesses... on what it might be?!? Curiosity killed the cat... Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted October 9, 2023 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2023 Below are several possibilities...... https://www.history.navy.mil/today-in-history/october-21.html Canute, mtaylor and GGibson 1 2 Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted October 9, 2023 Duhhh, never thought about looking that date up in naval history! <doh> Thanks, Keith! Canute, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 9, 2023 Share #4 Posted October 9, 2023 Please, please, please not another Connie!! 🙄 mtaylor, Keith Black, Canute and 2 others 1 4 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted October 9, 2023 Share #5 Posted October 9, 2023 C’mon man, this ain’t Vanguard Models we’re talking about! 😀 Keith Black, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveA Posted October 20, 2023 Share #6 Posted October 20, 2023 They gave it away with the 1765 clue, must be the Bonhomme Richard. Canute, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 20, 2023 Share #7 Posted October 20, 2023 21 October - Trafalgar Day, and who was launched in 1765 - Victory! Gary mtaylor, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 20, 2023 Share #8 Posted October 20, 2023 Pretty sure I know what it is, and Micro-Mark accidentally posted it on their website by accident, presumably during the announce embargo. The page link now points to 'page not found'. I have the correct link, so I know it existed. mtaylor, GGibson, Keith Black and 1 other 1 3 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted October 20, 2023 Guess I missed where they referenced 1765 as a clue... We shall find out soon! mtaylor, Keith Black and Canute 3 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 20, 2023 Share #10 Posted October 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, James H said: Pretty sure I know what it is, and Micro-Mark accidentally posted it on their website by accident, presumably during the announce embargo. The page link now points to 'page not found'. I have the correct link, so I know it existed. It’s still out there on Google, but as you say the link doesn’t work. Admiralty style from the look of it, fashioned from Oak - not your typical model building wood! Gary Canute, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted October 20, 2023 Share #11 Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Morgan said: 21 October - Trafalgar Day, and who was launched in 1765 - Victory! Yeah, I think that pretty much nails it. mtaylor and Canute 2 Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 20, 2023 Share #12 Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) There are a number of images still out there (erroneous courtesy of Micro-Mark), she is the usual OcCre wood pallet, but the model seems naive in part, and accuracy seems to be of passing concern. It could be these are not of the completed model, we’ll have to wait and see, but the missing Poop deck is significant. The open framing is interesting, although again seems underdone for a supposed price of circa US$1,700! It seems the Middle Deck, as well as the Upper and Weather decks (or at least those included so far) is somewhat detailed. Detail for the Lower Deck isn’t discernible, but there is a nascent Orlop. I’m tending toward these being interim construction photos, those yardless masts hint at that. We’ll have to wait and see. Gary Edited October 20, 2023 by Morgan Keith Black, Canute, Boerscht and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted October 20, 2023 Thanks for the advanced analysis and insight, Gary. JeffT, Keith Black, Canute and 1 other 4 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myxyzptlyk2003 Posted October 20, 2023 Share #14 Posted October 20, 2023 Model Expo just dropped the ad for this on sale for $1200. mtaylor, Morgan, JeffT and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 20, 2023 Share #15 Posted October 20, 2023 I see the Micro-Mark photos were indeed at some earlier stage, the Model Expo site shows the finished model, with Poop, Boats, and a full set of yards and sails. Gary JeffT, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted October 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, myxyzptlyk2003 said: Model Expo just dropped the ad for this on sale for $1200. Got the email just now from Model Expo, as well... Kinda ruins OcCre's unveiling, huh? <shrug> Canute, mtaylor, JeffT and 1 other 4 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveA Posted October 20, 2023 Share #17 Posted October 20, 2023 Oh well, I guess it was wishful thinking on my part for something other than another Constitution or Victory iteration. 😴 mtaylor, Canute, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted October 20, 2023 Share #18 Posted October 20, 2023 Plank on frame so I guess thats something different. mtaylor, Keith Black and Canute 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieS Posted October 21, 2023 Share #19 Posted October 21, 2023 So a partial POF with some better components of Victory.. I admire Occre for doing this. Anything that extends the hobby has to be a good thing and they are very active compared to others. I would be very interested to see an independant unboxing and kit review. mtaylor, Canute, JeffT and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieS Posted October 21, 2023 Share #20 Posted October 21, 2023 Best Box btw mtaylor, Canute, JeffT and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2023 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2023 Just watched the release video feed live, very much a high level production. Not much in terms of constructional photos of the guts of the model, but looks to have each deck rigged with cannon, but nothing to see as yet beyond that. It seems like a nice attempt to produce something in the Admiralty style, but rigged! I’m torn as to my views of it, I like the concept but for the time and money they have invested it falls short on accuracy, for example in producing the frames why not get the scantlings to scale and properly detailed if the details are laser etched. It also has elements that are of a standard in keeping with a decorative model. More details still required, so the jury remains out on this one for me. Gary JeffT, Keith Black, Canute and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share #22 Posted October 21, 2023 As a relatively new amateur, the video presentation is amazing, very impressive, in my humble opinion. I will leave the greater analysis to those that are historians of the Royal Navy and the Battle of Trafalgar. Looking forward to reading more details from fellow hobbyists as you dive into this massive project. Best wishes! Fair winds and following seas! mtaylor, Keith Black, JeffT and 1 other 4 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted October 21, 2023 Share #23 Posted October 21, 2023 I love the concept but the price is a bit scary. You could get it for a lot less from model expo right now though. mtaylor, Canute and Keith Black 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_Fire Posted October 21, 2023 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2023 Am I the only one that thinks this is a very expensive toy, nothing more and nothing less? Any resemblance of a correctly scaled and accurate model must be a coincidence. mugje, ubjs, KLarsen and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2023 Share #25 Posted October 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Cold_Fire said: Am I the only one that thinks this is a very expensive toy, nothing more and nothing less? Any resemblance of a correctly scaled and accurate model must be a coincidence. It is a mish-mash of styles for sure, and clunky! Certainly not sure about Oak as the ribs and frame, not easy to work or detail at that size so won’t lend itself to modification. Also, that lattice frame approach to all the decks could easily have been substituted for a proper set of deck frames as they are all laser cut. A lot of authenticity lost for more than over simplifying the design. Also at 1:87 that is a really odd scale, OcCre don’t seem to have settled on a uniform scale. Gary Keith Black, Canute, Cold_Fire and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_Fire Posted October 21, 2023 Share #26 Posted October 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Morgan said: It is a mish-mash of styles for sure, and clunky! Certainly not sure about Oak as the ribs and frame, not easy to work or detail at that size so won’t lend itself to modification. Also, that lattice frame approach to all the decks could easily have been substituted for a proper set of deck frames as they are all laser cut. A lot of authenticity lost for more than over simplifying the design. Also at 1:87 that is a really odd scale, OcCre don’t seem to have settled on a uniform scale. Gary Check this video: https://cdn.shopify.com/videos/c/o/v/13c5bd39e4ec40d69cc81e76b89887f1.mp4 I don't know if beams are just strips or lasercut, but I see flat decks. The model just doesn't make any sense. Morgan, Canute and Keith Black 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2023 Share #27 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Interesting, no camber anywhere. The release video shows the parts are laser cut, so why not put that extra detail in? All for a regular price of USD $1,700 / €1,400. The price and detail run contrary to where the leading manufacturers are. It seems a matter of style over substance. Maybe we are missing the point and the target market isn’t the discerning modeller. Gary Edited October 21, 2023 by Morgan catopower, Canute, Cold_Fire and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_Fire Posted October 21, 2023 Share #28 Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Morgan said: Interesting, no camber anywhere. The release video shows the parts are laser cut, so why not put that extra detail in? All for a regular price of USD $1,700 / €1,400. The price and detail run contrary to where the leading manufacturers are. It seems a matter of style over substance. Maybe we are missing the point and the target market isn’t the discerning modeller. Gary I'm watching this and my comments come from a modeler perspective. If you think it as a product, I don't doubt it will probably have success. Morgan, Canute, Keith Black and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share #29 Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, JeffT said: I love the concept but the price is a bit scary. You could get it for a lot less from model expo right now though. $1,200 if you're one of the first 25 to order... <shrug> I'm back to thinking about adding one of the USS Constitution kits/plans to my shipyard... <2nd shrug> Keith Black, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted October 22, 2023 Share #30 Posted October 22, 2023 Why did they use a model railroad scale of 1:87? Run a train line onto the pier where the ship is moored?😕 Boerscht, GGibson, Cold_Fire and 2 others 1 4 Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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