TBlack Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share #301 Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) John, As you can see the flag staffs are quite long and thin. I thought I'd turn them out of brass rod; I thought that might be easier and stronger. The other observation is that of all the pictures I have of this craft at various times in her career, they have never flown a flag from these poles. So what do I do? Go for the dressier look and put on flags, or be historically accurate and leave them bare? Tom Edited May 6, 2014 by TBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 6, 2014 Share #302 Posted May 6, 2014 I think it's up to you, Bob - whatever you think will look best on the model. She would surely have been flying flags at some time - certainly for her launch and probably on national holidays, so if you fly flags you'll still be historically accurate. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #303 Posted May 9, 2014 John, I think, given the height of these flagpoles, that they would look bizarre without flags flying. The appropriate flag is a 45 star item that Loyalhanna stocks. I'll have to make the jack for the bow. The following picture is for Michael Mott who helped me through the construction. The starboard light looks the same. I notice I need to do some touch-up paint. Tom Dida, tarbrush, Elmer Cornish and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 9, 2014 Share #304 Posted May 9, 2014 Tom, Actually, I hope the starboard light is green! What sort of jack would she have flown? The company's house flag? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 9, 2014 Share #305 Posted May 9, 2014 Tom, Actually, I hope the starboard light is green! Made me laugh. Tom The light s turned out well, you did a great job. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #306 Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Green!? You mean they're not supposed to be the same color? Damn! Michael, coach, Thanks. John, If there was a house flag it's design has long been lost. So I was thinking of flying a 45 star Union Jack (not to be confused with the British Union Jack). The US Union Jack is white stars on a blue field and can be flown at the bow when the ship is NOT underway. Inasmuch as the ship will be sitting on pedestals, I guess that's ok. Tom Edited May 9, 2014 by TBlack pete48 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share #307 Posted May 25, 2014 OK. Next comparison; this time with flags flying and anchor installed on the bow in the same position as in the real photo. The bow nameplate moves around in different photos, as does the stove pipe. The bell on the front of the pilot house was on the boat early and then removed. I suspect it hindered traffic, although it shows up again after 1905. I had to make the anchor twice; the first time it was too big. And I made the 45 star American flag 3 times before I got it right. Both flags are pictures off the internet, sized for the model and stuck on brass sheet. realworkingsailor, Elmer Cornish, hexnut and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 25, 2014 Share #308 Posted May 25, 2014 Now that looks very nice indeed, Tom! John avsjerome2003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share #309 Posted May 25, 2014 Crackers, Your photo is from the fall of 1938. Here are a couple of others just prior to yours: She was refloated but never used again. Instead she was towed to another berth and left. Ultimately, she was towed out to deeper water and scuttled. All pictures are thanks to the Searsport Maritime Museum. Tom mtaylor, popeye the sailor, pete48 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete48 Posted May 25, 2014 Share #310 Posted May 25, 2014 Nice work tom, It looks like I missed your comparison entry. You did a Aweome job on this build. Hats off , Fantastic work . So what are you going to build next ? Best Regards, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 25, 2014 Share #311 Posted May 25, 2014 Great job Tom, looking at those final pictures gave me pause, what a sad end for this good looking vessel. certainly something that you will never have to worry about, when she is docked in her final berth of honour. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share #312 Posted May 25, 2014 Michael, You get part of the credit for this build. Pilot house windows, smoke stack, and running lights. Did I forget anything? Pete, Size is the main consideration. I can work down to 1:64 and the final product has to fit in a normal sized house. I've been following Alex's build of Sphynx in the scratch builds. The advantage is that the hull is only just over 100' long, and Alex makes plans available through Chuck Passaro at Syren. Tom. pete48 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 25, 2014 Share #313 Posted May 25, 2014 Beautiful build, Tom. You did a fantastic job. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 27, 2014 Share #314 Posted May 27, 2014 excellent build Tom! your build is a dead ringer to the real ship..........very well done! congratz! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share #315 Posted May 27, 2014 You guys are all too nice to me. This site has the most inspiring and encouraging group of people. Bless you all! The model is good, but it's not that good, but I'm getting better! Tom pete48 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 27, 2014 Share #316 Posted May 27, 2014 Tom, the praises are all well deserved on your beautiful model, also please accept my congrats to the proud builder and his very special ship Nils popeye the sailor and avsjerome2003 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 28, 2014 Share #317 Posted May 28, 2014 kidding.....right? your build is closer than any kit could come.......not without being bashed. kudos to a build well done Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 28, 2014 Share #318 Posted May 28, 2014 Go ahead and eat your humble pie if you want, we will still praise your work. Well done. Bob pete48 and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share #319 Posted September 20, 2014 Just to put the final touch to this log, here is the official photo plus a photo of the presentation ceremony at the Vinalhaven Historical Society VonHoldinghausen, avsjerome2003, michael mott and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 20, 2014 Share #320 Posted September 20, 2014 First class, Tom! Great to see her in her final home. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted September 21, 2014 Share #321 Posted September 21, 2014 looks great Tom.......your work NEEDS to be shown. congratz again, my friend! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted September 21, 2014 Share #322 Posted September 21, 2014 Tom, I am surprised at the size, This whole digital photography gig that we all take part in with our models is extremely deceptive. All along i kept thinking that your model was twice the size that it is. I know that the scale was talked about and and i understand all that but we or at least I loose track of all that looking at the pictures. It is great to see her in the presentation ceremony. Now who are all the fine looking gentlemen in the picture? Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share #323 Posted September 21, 2014 Michael, Popeye, John, Andy, all you guys who got me through this project and who have stuck with me for so many years, Thank You! Michael, In the picture the guy on the left is Bill Chilles who is the president of the Historical Society, and on the right is Chandler Blackington, a director of, the Society, and the driving force behind this presentation. What you don't see is about 8-10 other people who have gathered to watch the proceedings. I was very happy with the turn out and delighted that the model has a really appropriate home and will be seen by many people. And they were really appreciative of the donation. Tom realworkingsailor, hexnut, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted September 21, 2014 Share #324 Posted September 21, 2014 Just amazing... very proud for you Ian Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted September 21, 2014 Share #325 Posted September 21, 2014 Congratulations on a job well done and the presentation to the historical society. It was a fun ride watching you figure out how it all went together. Well done. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share #326 Posted September 22, 2014 Michael & Arthur, It's not that the model is small, it's that the 3 people standing next to it are really big! TB mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted September 23, 2014 Share #327 Posted September 23, 2014 have you started another project? Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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