ringbolt2013 Posted April 8, 2014 Share #511 Posted April 8, 2014 Yeah you don't have to do a full suit to make it look good.......main and jib would look cool! olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share #512 Posted April 8, 2014 Yeah I've got enough to learn, so I got to keep doable.. I already feel to be in pretty deep with this rigging etc.. So I have one yard almost done.. I've done a great job of it if following the plan is right.. When I look at pictures. The footrope stirrups look a bit longer.. The mast plan is to scale so should be right.. Was a fiddly task... What do you reckon gang.. Does it look the part?? Just the pendants to go on this yard.. Regards Oliver ringbolt2013, dgbot and Aussie048 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted April 8, 2014 Share #513 Posted April 8, 2014 Looks Brilliant Ollie.. and regards sails take a look at the Log of 'Brig Badger by Landlubber Mike' he does a great demo of how to furl sails etc ! ideal for you I'd say.. also Kester (Stockholm Tar, and his build of Sherbourne) has a brilliant furled Main like yours (Cutter Style) All The Best Eamonn Landlubber Mike, olliechristo and ringbolt2013 3 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share #514 Posted April 8, 2014 Oh great I'll have to check them out.. Thanks Eamonn ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Coleman Posted April 8, 2014 Share #515 Posted April 8, 2014 It looks real nice. Real clean and sharp. Keep up the excellent work olliechristo, egkb and ringbolt2013 3 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm tar Posted April 8, 2014 Share #516 Posted April 8, 2014 Ollie, Just catching up with your log of Mermaid, you've made a very good job. Regarding the sails, as has been said, there is a lot to learn there – boltropes, brails, seams, cloths, reef bands, etc. but, apart from the knowledge itself, it's worth reading to get it looking right. If you want to check out my log, page five is where I described how I made the mainsail for Sherbourne. There are also a couple of shots of it. As Eamonn mentioned, do also have a look at Mike's log, re. the excellent sails on his Badger. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Kester Current builds: Sherbourne (Caldercraft) scale – 1/64th; Statsraad Lehmkuhl (half model) 1/8th" – 1'. Victory Bow Section (Panart/Mantua) scale – 1/78th (on hold). Previous build: Bluenose ll (Billings) scale – 1/100th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 8, 2014 Share #517 Posted April 8, 2014 Looking good with the yard, Ollie! John ringbolt2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted April 8, 2014 Share #518 Posted April 8, 2014 Ollie.....what are you using for your stirrups for your footropes?? They are usually made up of rope wrapped twice around the spar and hanging off the after side of the spar..........how are you attaching them?? Yom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share #519 Posted April 9, 2014 Um actually don't even know how to answer that tom..I'm a bit in the dark. And following somewhat vague plans which is bound to get me in trouble sometimes.. Maybe this picture will show more clearly what I have done.. Regards Oliver Bindy, Aussie048, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted April 9, 2014 Share #520 Posted April 9, 2014 Great looking foot ropes did you use wire? David B ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted April 9, 2014 Share #521 Posted April 9, 2014 No doubt they do look good Ollie! And I think that wire might be my next shot but I would try to stay more authentic with the wrap around. olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathewp Posted April 9, 2014 Share #522 Posted April 9, 2014 You've done a superb job there Ollie. Lovely clean work. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share #523 Posted April 10, 2014 Thanks all I got my top yard done today, a bit fiddly.. I'm rigging my canons, I have made my own blocks.. I am trying to decide whether to have 'recoil ropes'... right term? .. Should they go over 'rear' of canon or just off large rings?? Regards Oliver ringbolt2013 and Aussie048 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted April 10, 2014 Share #524 Posted April 10, 2014 Hi Ollie A bit hard to understand your question...The breaching ropes (recoil ropes) go through an eye and a ringbolt on the side of the cannon and then are seized to the same - eye and ringbolt - on the bulwarks. Depending on the navy and era, the breachng rope can be wrapped around or spliced about the cascabel, wrapped as you show, or passed through the gun carriage or passed through an eye above the cascabel. I'd go with the rig you have - a simple wrap around the cascabel as in your picture of the lower cannon (the upper cannon rig does not have any historical correctness - it is wrong), then through the ringbolts on the side of the carriage and then seized or tied to ringbolts on eyebolts on the bulwarks.If the cannon is "run out" in your composition make sure the breaching rope has some length - a light drape - to reflect the slack needed for the recoil. Cannons are fun! olliechristo, egkb, ringbolt2013 and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share #525 Posted April 10, 2014 Thanks mate, that helps lots, I just did a dummy run and think I'm.on the right track.. Canon on left is what I think is right.. needs refining.. Will also be adding the blocks and tackle if I can manage it.. I will manage .. Aussie048, Bindy, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted April 10, 2014 Share #526 Posted April 10, 2014 That is the way Ollie however I think you should soak you line in some softener and then defuzz it. This will make it more pliable and easier to rig your cannon. When you wrap the line around the cascabel lash or splice it together as well. This will give a neater look. David B olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Coleman Posted April 10, 2014 Share #527 Posted April 10, 2014 Nice and tidy work as usual. Once those lines have a bit of droop for slack it will look a million bucks. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share #528 Posted April 10, 2014 Thanks all. Good to know I'm on track.. I just rigged up my blocks I made earlier today, I've spent a lot of hours today with seemingly small amounts of progres. But it's there and lots of re doing and general learning.. Yards were basically completed this morning. I find contradictory pictures and info. I get confused. Like other hobbies of mine it would seem learning to research is key.. Dave I would like to know your technique for soften and defuzz.. P,s did I.mention the shipyard is facing temporary or worse closure to a category 5 cyclone.. Oh it's only 300km/hr winds..never mind that the bar will remain open.. it's all action lately. Regards Oliver ringbolt2013, Aussie048 and egkb 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted April 10, 2014 Share #529 Posted April 10, 2014 What I will do is take some ordinary fabric softener and let the line sit in for awhile. I then hang it up to air dry and keep out any kinks. Some do it differenly but I will then run it over a candle to get rid of any fuzz. Line has a memory. The softener removes this memory and allows the line to be limp. David B ringbolt2013, egkb and olliechristo 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 10, 2014 Share #530 Posted April 10, 2014 Ollie, Isn't Ita crossing the coast north of Cooktown? I thought you were a bit further south. Anyway, if you're in the firing line, make sure you keep your head down - category 5's are not to be toyed with!! By the way, make sure your breaching ropes are long enough so that the guns can run right inboard. John ringbolt2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share #531 Posted April 10, 2014 Thanks guys,, yeah your right John, coming in around Cooktown.. This one looks like it wants to side swipe the coast.. Here's this mornings latest map. Keeps coming closer to Cairns. We will be fine.. Regards Oliver egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted April 10, 2014 Share #532 Posted April 10, 2014 Yes after the softener I hang lines w/ a fishing weight straightens them out nicely I de fur them over an alcohol lamp real quick hee hee Tom olliechristo and egkb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted April 10, 2014 Share #533 Posted April 10, 2014 Your cannon rig is looking good Ollie. The tackles are especially sharp. Good stuff. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted April 11, 2014 Share #534 Posted April 11, 2014 Head down and a weatherly eye Ollie; good luck mate! cheers Pat ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted April 11, 2014 Share #535 Posted April 11, 2014 YUP guns are superb just KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN!!! Stay SAFE11 olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share #536 Posted April 11, 2014 Thanks guys, we will be fine... So I got my breach ropes done, thanks so much for the advice all 3rd photo shows tackle, I understand one end should be coiled or in my case I'm deciding to wrap between the blocks.. But the other end I.have just put a knot to stop from coming through block.. I feel this isn't right.. Advice appreciated 4th photo shows tackle, I think I should put them on an angle, attached to the next rib along the bulwark.. You may see the holes for eye pin on rear of canon.. More advice that I would love to receive.. Many regards ollie to ringbolt2013 and Aussie048 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted April 11, 2014 Share #537 Posted April 11, 2014 Hi Ollie, re the Block & Tackle, I think the Knot end of the rope should be made fast to the bottom of the other block (see photo attached) hope this was of help ! All The Best Eamonn olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 11, 2014 Share #538 Posted April 11, 2014 Ollie, Eamonn has given you good advice. The tackle should be rigged as shown in this photo of a carronade on the Trincomalee. The line is spiced to the strop on the single block; through the first sheave of the double block; back through the sheave of the single block and then back through the second sheave of the double block. You can also see that the blocks are 'hook blocks' - attached by hooks for easy removal and re-positioning - you can get away with simple attachments to the rings. John egkb, ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted April 11, 2014 Share #539 Posted April 11, 2014 I agree with Eamonn and John except my references suggest that only the very largest cannons had a single/double block rig. Smaller cannons would have single/single rigs. In that rig the rope is seized to the single block at the bulwark taken through the sheave of the block at the carriage and then taken through the sheave of the block at the bulwark and the running end is then frapped to the line or coiled at the deck (Blue Ensign's log of Pegasus shows a frapped rig). That said the double/single block rig will look the part too and is what I did on my AVS in the absence of my latest references. ringbolt2013, egkb and olliechristo 3 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted April 11, 2014 Share #540 Posted April 11, 2014 I think Alistair has it Ollie, that would be the first example in the diagram of Blocks & Tackle above. Cheers Eamonn ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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