aliluke Posted May 9, 2014 Share #601 Posted May 9, 2014 Hi Ollie Have to agree with John there. Too wide and too low. I wouldn't die in a ditch over it though...everything else looks really great - rope scale, blocks etc. There is a bit of discussion on tackles on KenW's Fair American build log at the moment - might be worth a look for you. ringbolt2013 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 9, 2014 Share #602 Posted May 9, 2014 Hi Ollie, I just finished going through you entire log, what a wonderful job you are doing. Your planking certainly deserves to be shown. really clean joinery on the deck furniture as well. Michael ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #603 Posted May 9, 2014 Thanks guys, this is where i have had so much deliberation and tried to ask about the angle of tackles a couple of times.. I didnt really explain it properly i think... I dont know if its okay to attatch them off the ribs? do i add some timber brace there to support them? I added them where they are because they seemed cluttered.. I will try to relocate them, luckily ive been out up a mountain all day and didnt finish them .. I have decided to frappe the ropes as these canons would have not been used much at all.. regards Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #604 Posted May 9, 2014 Thank you Michael, coming from you, that means a whole lot, your work is absolutely amazing.. Cheers Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #605 Posted May 9, 2014 Alistair, after reading through that discussion, i think i could have left the tackles off.. i thought about doing just that the other day but wasnt sure if tackles where what held the canons in place, but it seems it is the breech rope and all tackles were stored unless in combat.. My only concern is the patching off eye bolt holes now, already have a couple.. Regards Olllie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 9, 2014 Share #606 Posted May 9, 2014 Hi Ollie If I was you I'd leave them just the way you have them. It's only trainspotters who will take you to task. The added detail of the tackles is a nice one and I don't regret them on my AVS. I'll certainly add them to Fly. The configuration can imply; storing the cannon while at sea, making the cannon ready for battle or defense, laying out the cannon for inspection; etc. I reckon go for your visual choice. The frapping looks really hard and adjusting the rig buy using coils will be my repeat choice. ringbolt2013, olliechristo and KenW 3 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share #607 Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) I'm getting all indecisive again... I still kind of think the dinghy shows off well on deck so might still go with that, and re do tackles of guns better.. dinghy would hide my holes from eye bolts. Do you guys think this deck layout would be okay? either way I took that rigging off guns for now, regards ollie Edited May 9, 2014 by olliechristo ringbolt2013, Aussie048 and egkb 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 9, 2014 Share #608 Posted May 9, 2014 Ollie, your layout is just fine. Do no work up a sweat on York cannons. David B ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 9, 2014 Share #609 Posted May 9, 2014 Ollie.. you are doing a splendid job on this build! Your work is spot on! I enjoy watching how you make things work out! If you look at it in the modern way it would make a marvelous yacht!!!!! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 9, 2014 Share #610 Posted May 9, 2014 I still favour the stern for the boat Ollie. But I'm into symmetry I guess. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 10, 2014 Share #611 Posted May 10, 2014 Ollie My thought are regarding the access to the belaying pins on the starboard side where the boat is stored, it feel just a little cramped. Michael ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share #612 Posted May 10, 2014 Thanks again gang... I feel the same actually Michael, thanks for that input, i have decided to keep her mounted on the stern and get them canons rigged back up this afternoon.. Time to push forward.. Onto shrouds.. Regards Ollie Aussie048, ringbolt2013 and aliluke 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 10, 2014 Share #613 Posted May 10, 2014 Either way for the boat for me, Ollie. If truth be known, in practice the boat was probably upended over the skylight or some other totally inappropriate place. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share #614 Posted May 11, 2014 Ok canons are on the way.. Thinking it's much better. Big learning curve these finer points. It all just fits in there.. Couldn't have had tackle points any closer.. I read that it's much easier to add rope coils separate and just lay it over the existing rope, if that makes sense.. Regards ollie Mirabell61, KenW, Aussie048 and 2 others 5 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 11, 2014 Share #615 Posted May 11, 2014 Yep, coils are much easier added separately, Ollie. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share #616 Posted May 11, 2014 Hopefully will get a bit done later today.. Patching isn't finished yet in these photos, should tidy up reasonably. I advise any one new to the whole canon rigging, should make a mock up port and get all the mountings placed in before the real deal... Regards ollie Aussie048 and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 11, 2014 Share #617 Posted May 11, 2014 Hi Ollie The rig looks great. John is right. Have a look at my post on KenW's Fair American of my AVS rig. The tackle is tensioned and then CA glued to the deck and cut (right hand side in the picture) the coil is laid over the top of the cut end (left hand side in the picture). Note that I think the coils I made are too big in diameter and there is too much rope on them. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted May 11, 2014 Share #618 Posted May 11, 2014 Ollie: I'm impressed with your workmanship; hard to believe it's your first model. I favor the guns rigged as if awaiting an admiral's inspection (i.e. with coils and side tackles). There are a lot of possibilities that are period correct. Again, great work and I will continue to follow your build. Cheers. ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Pilot Boat Mary of Norfolk Completed Builds: Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share #619 Posted May 12, 2014 Thanks Alistair and ken..Thanks for all the likes gang.. I have finished my canons!! Woo.. I have realised all timber work is finished also.. its rigging all the way home now.. I am happy with the final outcome and it would be so much easier next time round.. Aussie048, BANYAN, dgbot and 3 others 6 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share #620 Posted May 12, 2014 I am wondering how to keep excess rope on a cleat..? A neat rolled bundle hanging on the cleat or something else.. Or just wrap enough around the cleat itself?? Many thanks, ollie Aussie048 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 12, 2014 Share #621 Posted May 12, 2014 Ollie, A half hitch on the cleat to secure the fall and then the end coiled and the coil dropped over the cleat. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 12, 2014 Share #622 Posted May 12, 2014 Great outcome on the cannon rigs Ollie. Spot on to my eye. You're lucky to only have two to do but now you've cracked it onto a 74 gun ship for your next model?! olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share #623 Posted May 12, 2014 It didn't go that smoothly. I may re do it, but i think it should suffice.. Thanks ands and regards ollie ringbolt2013, aliluke, MarisStella.hr and 3 others 6 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 12, 2014 Share #624 Posted May 12, 2014 Nice cannon and cleat looks just fine. David B ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 12, 2014 Share #625 Posted May 12, 2014 Yup the guns are great Ollie, and even a small frigate can be a handful! Be happy, ya did good! Even merchant ships carried at least 1 gun for signaling, they are or were used in many places. Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share #626 Posted May 13, 2014 Hi all, had a day off yesterday and spent it in the shipyard.. Shroud time.. Oh and i was wrong when i said all timber work was done!! had the lanyard strips to make up.. I had trouble getting them to all line up right even after lots of jigging and testing.. I had to take one pair off and redo them.. I am very pleased to have got a step forward, although i did some reading and perhaps i should have left the dead eyes loosened so i could take up final tension once other rigging applied.. I think it should be okay and i am planning to put satin gloss to set them.. I ended up using a card to get heights close to perfect alignment with channels I will use template to make sure lanyard strips go on paralell to channel.. Regards Ollie Bindy, dgbot, ringbolt2013 and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share #627 Posted May 13, 2014 I will use the card to make sure lanyard strips are level and the same height on each side and set the way for ratlines.. Have a great day all... Ollie ringbolt2013, Aussie048, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 13, 2014 Share #628 Posted May 13, 2014 Looking really sharp Ollie. Is that kit supplied rope? It looks really good and if it came with the kit it would definitely qualify as better quality than most kits come with. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share #629 Posted May 14, 2014 cheers guys... Yes Alistair, these are kit supplied from MS, very nice to use, i had been using some old Caldercraft line for canons and it was quite rough.. regards Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 14, 2014 Share #630 Posted May 14, 2014 They are getting better with the ropes....I remember sending off a rather scathing note about some of what I got!! WE won't say how long ago though! Real nice Ollie!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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