Jim Lad Posted May 14, 2014 Share #631 Posted May 14, 2014 Nice to see the rigging started, Ollie - and it's looking really sharp! John olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 14, 2014 Share #632 Posted May 14, 2014 You are getting there Ollie Now you just have to do the rats. Just take your time and it will be over before you know it. David B ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #633 Posted May 15, 2014 Thanks again. Yeah can't believe I'm this close.. I'm about to fit lanyard strips. They are glued only at the moment.. Kit doesn't say how to fix them. Wondering what the proper procedure is.. When I lash it like in kit photo it looks different.. Regards Oliver KenW 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #634 Posted May 15, 2014 Also I noticed that they are not on all ships shrouds? And wondering what the purpose of them is exactly.. Regards Oliver Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #635 Posted May 15, 2014 Do they look too bulky to anyone else, or do you think it suits.. 2x3mm walnut is what kit says.. ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 15, 2014 Share #636 Posted May 15, 2014 Yes they look too bulky to my eye, I'd incline to 3/4 that size - a guess. Purpose - firstly a spreader for the shrouds and secondly a step on to the ratlines for the sailors but that's a guess too. One thought is that your sailors would have to have very long legs to get onto the lines. Your lanyards may be a bit long. Don't change them! Just a thought. ringbolt2013, olliechristo and egkb 3 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #637 Posted May 15, 2014 yeah i had thought that too.. too hard to change anyway.. i read one thing then i read another, its all good.. but yes maybe i refine them a bit and lower them a tad.. are they just lashed on alistair? Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 15, 2014 Share #638 Posted May 15, 2014 My advice would be to decrease the dimension a little so it looks closer to scale then lash it in. David B olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 15, 2014 Share #639 Posted May 15, 2014 The lanyard bar is really no more than a place to keep "needful things" on a sailing ship. It's old fashioned "lash it up here" to keep it out of the way type of thing. When the shrouds became steal cables it became a rod that slipped through a hole in the turnbuckles to lock them in place so the tension did not change. When I was young I got the rare opportunity to talk rigging with a man that actually sailed around the horn in an Ericson Line windjammer. A big honor!! Had him all to myself for a whole day! He was 85. Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 15, 2014 Share #640 Posted May 15, 2014 Ollie, The 'lanyard strip' is called a sheer-pole. It's main purpose was to stop the deadeyes from twisting or, as Tom has said, in a ship with the shrouds set up with bottle screws, it was used to lock the screws. When fitted, it should sit right down on the tops of the deadeyes but is lashed in the manner shown in the kit plan photo. With regard to the Mermaid, the contemporary paintings don't show a sheer-pole, and I'd be surprised to see them on a ship of this size and period. If you really want to fit them, yours looks a little over scale. By the way, when you come to the ratlines, note that the contemporary painting show them as being on the forward three shrouds only. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #641 Posted May 15, 2014 Thanks all. John, thanks so much, very interesting and informative.. I have some new decisions to make...I wondered if strip sat down on deadeyes, makes more sense to me that it does... Many thanks ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share #642 Posted May 16, 2014 I think I'm going to leave sheer-pole off... I have learned so much from you all.. Next build will be a breeze ;-) I added top mast rope. Not sure exactly how that operates in reality. Looks like it raises the top mast out of the cap ? Any.how it's fitted as instructed.. Rat line business is next. Front and back stays... Realising blocks could be refined down more, but all good.. Most don't do black ratlines I gather.. I read they were lightly tarred.. Will probably go with fawn.. Regards Oliver egkb, cristikc, MarisStella.hr and 5 others 8 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted May 16, 2014 Share #643 Posted May 16, 2014 Hey there Ollie, am just catching you up after some MSW down time over here (that's code for me just being plain lazy) and can say that I loved the wee boat stowed on the deck (though at the stern was grand too) Your mast is looking the absolute business and the shrouds are coming along a treat, though I'd agree with Alistair (Aliluke) in that it could be a big step up for the sailors to reach the lowest ratline (not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I seem to recall a rough 'ratio' existing for the separation of the Deadeyes.. but I may be wrong here) A pleasure to finally catch up All The Best Eamonn ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 16, 2014 Share #644 Posted May 16, 2014 The topmast rope was used to lower the topmast to the deck prior to a bad storm. Lowered the top hamper and centre of gravity. The whipping and vibration can roll the mast right out of her in a blow! Coming along nicely there Ollie!! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share #645 Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) Hey Eamonn buddy, it's been too serious around here without you :-) nice you have back, good to have some time away from model at times, my girlfriend would let me build a.100 ships if I took her to see tori Amos.. . Tom you are.a wealth of knowledge and great support to keep me inspired.. that explains it, makes much more sense now.. Cheers mate... So regarding the jump up to rats.. Scaled down I stand as a man 37mm high.. The taped off ruler shows this height.. Perhaps it's deceiving because she is such a small vessel.. Most are working at smaller scale? Hmm anyway I think the crew will manage.. Edited May 16, 2014 by olliechristo egkb, Aussie048, ringbolt2013 and 2 others 5 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted May 16, 2014 Share #646 Posted May 16, 2014 Good to hear there will be no Ruptured Groins on Mermaid Ollie.. E I'm afraid the nearest Tori gets to ye guys this tour is over in South Africa.. sure that isn't too far ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 17, 2014 Share #647 Posted May 17, 2014 Ollie, I think she'll look better with no sheer-pole! Good to see that you've rigged the top rope. These little ships were ridiculously "over hatted" as the 19th century sailing ship men said - over rigged for us mere mortals - they needed to be able to get the top hamper off pretty quickly if the wind started to blow up too much. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share #648 Posted May 17, 2014 I love how much this hobby is teaching me.. So i wanted to get my front stay on, then i'm onto ratlines.. I did a few tries at getting it right.. Re did it all in the end, doesnt take long.. The deadeye supplied was the same as others used on shrouds but it needed drilling out as the kit said to use the same 1mm black cord to reeve it.. i drilled the holes a bit too large, the deadeye looked a bit small and i actually didnt like the black, tried a few cords till i got looking good,, hand made my first dead-eye.. wasnt hard, made it a bit larger than supplied ones... I'm taking my time now and very happy with the way she is looking.. Ollie egkb, ringbolt2013, cristikc and 3 others 6 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 18, 2014 Share #649 Posted May 18, 2014 You're a natural Ollie. Great work. Couldn't believe at first how tall that sailor was but you're right. I retract my comment, no problem for that guy to leap onto the rats. ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share #650 Posted May 18, 2014 Thanks guys, i'm getting a bit better at noticing things out of scale. So the kit says 5mm between ratlines.. that equals 240mm or 10 inches .. Will see how that looks, not sure what the standard is... Going to try get them underway today.. just gotta go clothes shopping Ollie egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 18, 2014 Share #651 Posted May 18, 2014 Ollie, In the mid to late 19th century, ratlines were 12 to 18 inches apart. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted May 18, 2014 Share #652 Posted May 18, 2014 Hi Ollie, great to hear you are enjoying the journey. Apart from you learning, logs such as yours are interesting to follow, not simply for the build what others can learn along the way also. Your log has helped me in the case of the ratlines (thanks John) as that was a tid-bit I wasn't aware of. keep pluggin' on mate, the build is looking great! cheers Pat olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 18, 2014 Share #653 Posted May 18, 2014 Bow deadeye is dead on Ollie!! Right on...should be a bit bigger than the shrouds!! After all it's taking more stress! Good eye!! Tom olliechristo and egkb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted May 19, 2014 Share #654 Posted May 19, 2014 You are building a really great looking boat. Excellent workmanship and I like the color scheme. Really well done. Cheers. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Pilot Boat Mary of Norfolk Completed Builds: Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share #655 Posted May 19, 2014 Ok, rats are done on starboard side.. reasonably happy with it, oh ok... I cant complain for a first go It's not as easy as one would like and i'm sure it will go smoother on second run.. I was brave enough to throw in a macro.. Black card helps find the fuzzy bits... best if you dont use waterbased marker to mark out card, it runs when glueng.. I have a grip on the cow and clove hitch now, handy to know.. I used the principle of doing every forth run and then coming back to fill in.. Ollie Bindy, cristikc, MarisStella.hr and 5 others 8 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share #656 Posted May 19, 2014 Oh and no i didn't miss a run, they just are not needed.. Aussie048, dgbot, KenW and 4 others 7 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 19, 2014 Share #657 Posted May 19, 2014 Nice, nice and very nice. You have avoided the hour glass effect on the shrouds and the rope colours look spot on. KenW, olliechristo and ringbolt2013 3 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 19, 2014 Share #658 Posted May 19, 2014 Yes!! Very nice. Looking good Ollie! olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted May 21, 2014 Share #659 Posted May 21, 2014 Leanne, I really hope you get her back in action! I should be able to help with some issues if they arise with the building... Looking forward to it.. Hey Ollie - it's all looking so great. I started at the beginning of your build log and have been copying & pasting all your posts and the various pieces of advice from other members to form a kind of 'practicum' for the Mermaid... leaving out most of the 'attaboy' type posts (as well deserved as they are), so far it's around 240 A4 pages. It's going to be such a useful reference as I work on mine thank you to everyone who has contributed, your input has just added to the value of the quality work Ollie has displayed and achieved in his own right.. Now, just to find some time to get back to my own build... Bindy, ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 3 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Mermaid 1817Next build: US Brig Syren...maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 21, 2014 Share #660 Posted May 21, 2014 Just catching up ,Ollie. Those ratlines look really good, mate! John olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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