mtaylor Posted May 27, 2014 #121 Posted May 27, 2014 She looks good out of the building board. The wipe on poly looks perfect. MEDDO 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
MEDDO Posted May 28, 2014 Author #122 Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks Ben Grant and Mark! It seems such a huge milestone. Looking forward to the next stage. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
alangr4 Posted May 28, 2014 #123 Posted May 28, 2014 Congratulations Michael on cutting her out of the jig. Looking fantastic. Alan MEDDO 1 Quote
MEDDO Posted May 28, 2014 Author #124 Posted May 28, 2014 Thank you Alan. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted May 31, 2014 Author #125 Posted May 31, 2014 Just a quick update. I was able to sand down the gun ports and I think everything is good to go there. I put in the keelson tonight. I thought it looked a bit funny as the keelson doesn't sit onto of the keel in between the frames. I double checked the plans, image files, instructions and it seems like it is supposed to be like that. I was also able to find a picture in my copy of THE COLONIAL SCHOONER 1763-1775 by Harold Hahn that also appeared like it was intended... O well. One of the nice things being a beginner is that you don't know what you don't know. It may or may not be historically correct but it looks good to me. mij, Dimitris71, hexnut and 6 others 9 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Trussben Posted June 1, 2014 #126 Posted June 1, 2014 Hi Michael, You are quite correct that the keelson should step down between the frames to the top of the keel therefore locking their positions in place. Was the keelson in the kit made of several pieces? Or just one piece of wood? Should be 2 or 3 pieces for a ship of her size. You can always remove it and add the notches now, I agree it just looks wrong the way it is now, maybe a few hours work but I'm sure you would be happier. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Trussben Posted June 1, 2014 #127 Posted June 1, 2014 Sorry but after looking at that fame pic again it looks like all of your frame pairs are sat about 1/16" too high on the rising wood, above the rabbit by that much. That may also be causing the keelson to be further away from the top of the keel if you catch my drift. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
MEDDO Posted June 1, 2014 Author #128 Posted June 1, 2014 Hi Michael, You are quite correct that the keelson should step down between the frames to the top of the keel therefore locking their positions in place. Was the keelson in the kit made of several pieces? Or just one piece of wood? Should be 2 or 3 pieces for a ship of her size. You can always remove it and add the notches now, I agree it just looks wrong the way it is now, maybe a few hours work but I'm sure you would be happier. Ben After going throughout he image files associated with the build I found the following picture. This from LSS/Bob Hunt So I guess the kit is definitely designed to be like this. This is a picture from The Colonial Schooner by Harold Hahn. You can also see the "gap" is built into this. You can see the space between the frames f-b as well as the large air space between b and a. Sorry but after looking at that fame pic again it looks like all of your frame pairs are sat about 1/16" too high on the rising wood, above the rabbit by that much. That may also be causing the keelson to be further away from the top of the keel if you catch my drift. Ben Yup I see that now. Seems a bit too "high" as it were. I am sure it is contributing to the problem. Not much I can do about that now I guess. Will definitely be more aware of this when doing the next build. mtaylor, fnkershner, hexnut and 2 others 5 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 1, 2014 Author #129 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) O yeah, Thanks Ben! I definitely like the constructive criticism, and new ideas for the next build. Edited June 2, 2014 by MEDDO Trussben 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 2, 2014 Author #130 Posted June 2, 2014 Starting to get the deck in. As always with the supplied wood it is very rough when removed. It seems to be even worse on these smaller pieces. After a bunch of sanding and fitting starting to get the deck in. hexnut, Vivian Galad, rafine and 6 others 9 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 3, 2014 Author #132 Posted June 3, 2014 Man that's a lot of ribbing. Yes it is Scott, thanks for stopping by. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Trussben Posted June 3, 2014 #133 Posted June 3, 2014 Hi Michael, That's the first time I seen a design with the keelson like that, interesting. Thanks for taking my comments the way they were intended. Nice work of the deck beams so far! Ben MEDDO 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
MEDDO Posted June 4, 2014 Author #134 Posted June 4, 2014 Thanks Ben. I am such a newbie and beginner I need all the help I can get. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 4, 2014 Author #135 Posted June 4, 2014 Baby steps. A few more of the deck beams in. This is the complete main deck. Now I just need to clean up the surface a bit and move onto the Quarterdeck. Vivian Galad, WackoWolf, Elmer Cornish and 9 others 12 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
pete48 Posted June 6, 2014 #136 Posted June 6, 2014 Looks Good Michael, Fantastic work Best Regards, Pete MEDDO 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
MEDDO Posted June 6, 2014 Author #137 Posted June 6, 2014 Thanks Pete. Quarterdeck coming up soon. pete48 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 11, 2014 Author #138 Posted June 11, 2014 I have once again been getting killed at work so progress has slowed a bit but I have been able to get in the quarterdeck beams. gjdale, pete48, hexnut and 9 others 12 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
pete48 Posted June 11, 2014 #139 Posted June 11, 2014 Looks Good Michael Best Regards, Pete MEDDO 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
MEDDO Posted June 11, 2014 Author #140 Posted June 11, 2014 Thanks Pete. I hope to get the "carlings and ledges" in soon. pete48 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
pete48 Posted June 11, 2014 #141 Posted June 11, 2014 Michael, I keep comming back to look at the photo in posting # 136, The frame work is Beautiful Best Regards, Pete MEDDO 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
MEDDO Posted June 11, 2014 Author #142 Posted June 11, 2014 Michael, I keep comming back to look at the photo in posting # 136, The frame work is Beautiful Best Regards, Pete Thanks Pete. Like all of us I am sure, I look at this and see where I made mistakes and could of done better. So far she's coming together well enough for my second full build. b.t.w. I really like your Herreshoff builds, the planking is ver impressive. pete48 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Beef Wellington Posted June 12, 2014 #143 Posted June 12, 2014 Michael, this is a fascinating build and you're doing a wonderful job of her. Do you know if this kit is the same as that being offered at lumberyard.com? MEDDO 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
fnkershner Posted June 12, 2014 #144 Posted June 12, 2014 Jason - Yes this is the same kit. but they no longer offer it. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
MEDDO Posted June 12, 2014 Author #145 Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Thanks Jason. This one is from the Lauck Street Shipyard which I do not think is associated with the Lumberyard. But it is no longer produced (see post #4 of this thread). The plans in this kit were adapted from the Hahn plans which I think the Lumberyards is also based on. I don't know if anyone around here has used the timbering set available from them. It seems that may be similar but I really don't know. Hey maybe some day I will build the Lumberyards version and give a head to head comparison... Who knows? Stranger things have happened. Edited June 12, 2014 by MEDDO Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
MEDDO Posted June 13, 2014 Author #146 Posted June 13, 2014 Finished dry fitting the quarterdeck. It is a shame that so much of this deck will eventually be planked over. There is some of the deck left unplanked but I may have to modify it when I get to that step. Ultimately it will look like this if I follow the instructions This picture is from the image files by Bob Hunt Aussie048, hexnut, mij and 5 others 8 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
patrickmil Posted June 13, 2014 #147 Posted June 13, 2014 Very nice job on the framing Michael. With regards to your thinking on modifications, are you considering planking one half and leaving the other half bare? Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5
pete48 Posted June 13, 2014 #148 Posted June 13, 2014 Hi Michael, beautiful job on the quarter deck, . With regards to your thinking on modifications, are you considering planking one half and leaving the other half bare? I am curious as well Best Regards, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
rafine Posted June 13, 2014 #149 Posted June 13, 2014 Very nice work on the framing Michael. Bob Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
MEDDO Posted June 13, 2014 Author #150 Posted June 13, 2014 Very nice job on the framing Michael. With regards to your thinking on modifications, are you considering planking one half and leaving the other half bare? Thanks Patrick. I think that would be the best option. I will have to think about it and decide what to do . I luckily have a bit more time before I get there. If I do half-plank then I will probably leave off the cannons on the unplanked side and fully rig the planked side cannons. (the plans/instructions leave these as unrigged). This also leaves me with 3 "spares" so when I inevitably botch it I can retry. mtaylor 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
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