Triton by Pete38 - 1:48 - cross-section

[Pete38]

Still working on the treenail for the frames,,,only 2 more to go....

When I get one frame done and the treenails trimmed I have been getting ready to raise the frames on the build board.

Pictures are a better explanation:

 

I glue a tempory batten arcoss the top using the framing layout pdf to get the correct distance from side to side at the top

 

 

I then mark the center of the temporary batten to match up to the center mark on my build board

 

 

Also have been marking the center of the frames at the keel also as a way to double check

 

 

Here is one temporary place to see how it is going to work out

 

 

Once all the frames are raised and attached to the keel I plan on cutting some support from cherry to go between the frames while fairing the hull. I may leave them in since will be planking over where I place them.

 

Everyone have a Happy Easter

[russ]

Pete:

That jig is a very good idea. Excellent work. I also agree on the fillers for stiffening. I have used that on a cross section model and it worked well.

 

Russ

[Long9Ron]

It's looking great Pete.

 

Very good idea on the frame jig. As I mentioned before, I didn't do that procedure and I am regretting that now. My frames are not aligned properly and I have been having to work around it. I sure wish I did it your way. 

[rummy]

Looks very nice Pete,very clean and precise.  Larry

[Boccherini]

Pete,

the frames look good. Your building jig is simlar (but better) to the one I used. Chocks between the frames work well for strengthening the assembly during fairing. Looking forward to seeing it all glued in place.

 

Regards,

Grant.

[Pete38]

Gentlemen, Thank you very much for looking in and the nice comments.  I Love This Place 

 

All the treenails in the frames are done. so getting ready to raise the frames.  I have found 3 advantages so far at building at this bigger scale

 

1. It is not nearly so hard on my eyes

 

2. The treenail are alot bigger....don't have to keep breaking them while pulling through the drawplate to the smaller size

 

3. I can use my regular size powertools on this build such as my sanders

    This is my detail sander, sanding the side before raising with a 320 grit, making sure the treenail are even

 

 

With that done I started raising the first frame "C"

 

Was wanting to make sure the build board was square to the base first

 

 

After that I clamped it in place to make sure it did not move

 

 

I first test fitted the frame adjusting the keel notch slightly with a sanding stick (cheap fingernail file) Glued it in place and clamped it to the face board

 

 

Then check for squareness again

 

 

Rest of the frames waiting to be raised

 

 

Now I have a Question for you.....Would you wait to pin (treenail) the frame to the keel after all frames are in place or would it be better to pin each frame as I go.

 

Also..Since this is a bigger scale I thought about using 2 treenails per frame maybe pin at slight angles to each other. This would prevent any movement at all.

Please voice your opinion.

Thanks

[Rustyj]

Hi Pete, I love they way you are proceeding. Very well thought out and executed. For me

I would treenail each frame as you go. That would assist in keeping them secure in case

you should hit one while raising your other frames. I don’t see why you can’t use 2 treenails

if there is enough room. As you said it should be much stronger.

 

[russ]

I agree. Treenail as you go. If the frame is in place, glued in and squared up, then it is ready to be treenailed.

 

Nice work so far. It looks like very careful work. That will pay dividends down the road.

 

Russ

[Paddy]

Pete, thanks for showing us the care you've taken to insure accurate frames. Being the apprentice here I have only a gut feel for the question you ask about when to treenail the frames. So, I'll just watch and listen to what the group thinks.

 

A point I believe you are getting close to is fairing the frames to the proper bevel and taper from the keel to the deck clamp area and questions are starting to come to mind about the best approach to accomplishing this. I'm looking forward to how you'll be going about this task also.

 

Enjoying you log all around.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Paddy

[rdsaplala]

Hi Pete,

 

Just catching up with your excellent build, beautiful and precise work on those frames Sir, your ship is coming along beautifully

[sonicmcdude]

Beautiful build on a great scale. Count me in on following!

[Pete38]

Rusty...Russ....Paddy...Aldo...Sinan  Thank you for looking in and the comments and suggestions. I will be treenailing each frame as I go

So back to the workshop.......picture progress to follow...

[Pete38]

As stated before I am treenailing as I go. Since I am at a larger scale I am going with a larger treenail for holding power than the scale calls for. They are about .047 dia. and 5/8" long.

With 2 per frame at a slight angle (like an X) should provide a strong joint.

 

Here is the first frame standing on it own

 

 

Drilling the holes with my flex shaft on the dremmel

 

 

Holes drilled

 

 

Next installed treenails with diluted glue

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[russ]

I would not dilute the glue you use on trreenails. Use it full strength.

 

The frame looks good. Nice job.

 

Russ

[Pete38]

Thanks Russ. the glue was only diluted very little to help run into the hole.

[Pete38]

Moved on to the next frame. After the dry fit and checking for squarenss if glued it into place. 

 

 

 

Cut some temporary spacers for between the frames held in place with a drop of hot glue. Will replace with the permenant cherry spacers later

 

 

Thats all for now...back to raising frames....

[russ]

Pete:

There is no need to dilute. The treenail should be an easy fit, with just a hair's bit of play. The glue coating on the treenail will take some space in the hole as it dries. I usually ream out the treenail hole ever so slightly to make the treenail a slide fit so that the wood glue coating will make it fit perfect. I wipe off the excess glue that squeezes out afterwards.

 

Your framing is coming along nicely.

 

Russ

[Pete38]

Thanks for checking in. All the frames are raised and in place. The next job will be to fair the frames, hope there is enough meat on the frames for this.

Here's a few pictures of my progress to date.

 

 

 

 

 

Just had to take it out of the jig to see how it looked. Surprised how strong the frames are already...

 

 

 

Time to start sanding....sanding...sanding....

[russ]

Pete:

So far, it looks pretty good. Just go slow with the sanding and check with a sample plank often.

 

Russ

[Long9Ron]

It's looking great Pete. Nice job

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Very nice and precise work. It's looking good.

[rummy]

Nice frames Pete.A very smart move putting the planks across the top.I didn't  do that and I paid for it later.   Larry

[sonicmcdude]

Looking good!

[Pete38]

Just a small update. Started doing a little of the sanding...time is getting tight since the warm weather has moved in...Gardens and yard work loom ahead, have to get all the mowers and tractors going taking away from the cross section  

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So here are a few pictures of where I am at.............

 

Took measurements from the plans and transferred to the frames

 

 

Marked each frame for the flat to be sanded

 

 

Made up a sanding stick with 100 grit long enough to reach from end to end so sanding would be equal for each frame

 

 

Pencil marked each frame to gauge when I had sanded down to make the frames level with each other

 

 

Check with a straight edge to make sure was sanding evenly

 

 

Also used the keesson to check

 

 

Once this is sanded to suit me I will replace the temporary block between the frames with the permenant cherry wood.

So back to sanding and yard work.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Paddy]

Thanks for posting that Pete. Looks to me that you have a good technique going.

 

Man, we seem to be a ways from warming up here. I’m still waiting for 60 degree weather so I can put the sealer on my gantry building board. They’re talking snow again tonight.

[mtaylor]

Nice progress, Pete.  Use the sanding stick idea for working up the inside and the outside of the hull before you start planking.  Putting the keelson on will help with rigidity before sanding.

[rummy]

Very nice Pete your work is A-1.Teaching me a lot.   Thanks Larry

[Long9Ron]

Nice work Pete

 

Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? 

[marius]

Wish mine looked like that. Well done. Meticulous work pays off.

marius

[russ]

Pete:

Nice work. That is some careful measuring and sanding. I like the sanding stick.

 

Russ