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Blue Ensign replied to dvm27's topic in How to use the MSW forum - **NO MODELING CONTENT**
I don't have an issue with posting an image to clarify a response to a query, it often helps understanding. Using a members log to promote your own build is a different matter, and probably irritates most of us. Fortunately this doesn't seem to happen very often on MSW. B.E. -
I also think that your companionway looks very good Jason, and very neat work on the gratings. Cheers, B.E.
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Hi Aldo, your replacement Gallows look so much better. I scoured all my references looking for an example that matched the kit version without success, and I couldn't live with the Chinese Pagoda look either in the end. I rather liked your bitts with the sheaves, and the set up on the deck didn't look out of scale to my eye, on the photo at least. One thing to bear in mind re the spacing of the bitts, the rhodings for the pumps are attached to the inner faces of the bitts and will need to line up with the pump cistern centres. Cheers, M.
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I've enjoyed reading thro' your log David, a really attractive build with some nice extra touches, Well done Regards, B.E.
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Blue Ensign replied to Rustyj's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Just come across your excellent log Rusty, fine work to produce an immensely attractive model, love what you have done. Regards, B.E. -
Thanks for the link John, I hadn't seen it before. The problem we are faced with working at 1:64 scale, particularly on a small vessel such as Pickle is that the side tackle set up can look too heavy and overscale for the gun if say a hook is attached by an eye to the line. That is why I changed the blocks to JB models 2mm versions and stropped them with wire, forming a hook out of the twisted end. This also avoided the need to seize the block to the eyebolt. Not authentic I admit but at the scale involved I prefer that the tackles look proportionate rather than replicate the full size arrangement. Regards, B.E.
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Hello John, Those Pickle Carronades are the very devil to assemble and rig. Each of the side tackle blocks are stropped with line fitting along the groove in the block. At a simple level the line is knotted around the eye bolts set in the hull side and bed of the carronade. A separate tackle line is secured through the strop of the right hand block and it is this that passes thro' the left hand block from beneath, back thro' the hull side block, and is either then coiled as shown or frapped around itself to secure. A lot of modellers make up a little jig to rig their side tackles to hold the blocks the required distance apart whilst they thread the line. Often they prefer to attach the block to the eyebolt before the eyebolt is fitted in the hull side. My own approach to the carronade rigging is covered in my log, as per the link below. Regards, B.E.
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You're welcome Augie, your words are much appreciated. I'm glad you like it David, and thank you for your generous words. I hope the log is of assistance to those thinking of building Pickle. Regards, B.E.
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Fine craftmanship IIhan, a very attractive model, a pleasure to see. B.E.
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Hi Jason, The chain may be a tad overscale but not excessively so and will look better once blackened. If it keeps drawing your eye you could always invest in a length of the next smaller available size and decide between the two. Re: micro drills, over here I don't buy them from model suppliers, I tend to use Ebay or from other internet sources which are often cheaper. The same goes for scalpel blades, which are more expensive from model suppliers in packs of 5. I buy them in boxes of 100, much cheaper. Cheers, B.E.
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I tell you dear Daniel I would have finished Pegasus by now but for chasing answers for your quests to settle the minutiae of all things nautical. It's all interesting stuff tho' keep it up M.
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She looks magnificent John, a really fine model, you have every right to feel pleased. B.E.
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Thanks for posting the link to your article Robin, an interesting hypothesis. The stern quarter sketch always gave me trouble with its clear indication of open galleries, as the closed in stern following the 1803 refit is perhaps one of the more confirmed aspects of her Trafalgar appearance. The drawing by Livesay of her stern when she returned after Trafalgar confirms this. B.E.
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I've enjoyed looking thro' your build Bob, a fine looking model. I like what you've done with her, nice combination of timbers and colour scheme. Regards, B.E.
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Those pins are a much better option Evan, will make the task of belaying easier and neater. Cheers, M.
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Hamilton, Greyhound and Blandford were both built at Deptford d/y by the same master shipwright Richard Stacey. Both were commissioned in 1720. There was very little difference in the as built dimensions of the two ships, Blandford being 1 foot longer. Greyhound was broken up in 1741 and Blandford was sold in 1742. We have touched on the rigging aspect of a sixth rate in a separate thread, but personally I would not continue to confuse myself by trying to make sense of the Corel rigging plans, which probably contain many errors. Clear them from your mind and work from the Blandford book. James Lees (Masting and Rigging of English ships of war 1625-1860) also includes a belaying plan for a 1719 establishment sixth rate in his book. B.E.
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I do love the atmosphere you are achieving with your build Frank, great photos. Regards, B.E.
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hamilton, The drawings in the book are at different scales 1:96, 1:48 and 1:192 but no matter. all you need to do is multiply the sizes in the drawings by say 96 and divide by 100 and you will have the measurement relevant to your build, that is supposing the kit is a true 1:100 scale. I wouldn't worry about the rigging at this point; the sizes of all the rigging lines are given in the book in inches circumference which is the norm. To convert say the Main stay which is 101/2" circ. to mm diameter which is the norm for scale line the calculation is:- 10.5" circ divided by 3.142 = 3.342"(dia) x 25.4 = 84.88mm (dia) divided by 100 (your scale) = 0.85mm diameter line (or nearest) Similarly the six pounder guns carried by Blandford are listed as being 7' 6" long, so at your scale that is 90" x 25.4 = 2286mm divided by 100 = 22.86mm long. I think the Blandford book will contain all you need to improve your kit. Hope this helps. Cheers, B.E.
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Hello hamilton, Peter Goodwin does include staysails, and studding sails in the drawings, and he also shows pins in racks attached to the Mizen shrouds,(ok for the period - also indicated by James Lees)) and three pins shown fitted horizontally to a vertical rack attached to the Mizen mast. there are no pins in the cross pieces to the bitts. B.E.
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The more I see of your work Augie the more I like it, Syren is a hugely attractive model. Regards, B.E.
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Sounds like an interesting project. You might find some useful information on traditional wooden boat building in this video. Reference to it was made by a member on the old MSW. If you are in the UK, a visit to Bucklers Hard may provide you with interesting background. http://www.bucklershard.co.uk/ B.E.
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Hammocks were washed in the British Navy, Captains issued orders when and where to be aired to dry on their particular ships. Brian Lavery in his Arming and fitting book devotes a chapter to Hammocks. B.E.
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Don't know how authentic it is Daniel, but here's how the hammocks are stored on the Trimcomalee in low cranes. Also regarding your associated query about access to the shrouds.. It doesn't look that difficult for fit young guys, at least on a Frigate. Regarding the tarring of the canvas covers, I believe this was the case in the early period of use but due to complaints about the stuff getting on the Hammocks and cases the practice was dropped. According to Carr-Laughton the Theseus at the Nile had her hammock cloths painted to represent an additional deck of guns, and he also refers to the Cambridge of 1824 as certainly having this arrangement. He also mentions that perhaps Victory when commissioned in 1803 had gunport painted cloths. Along the waist perhaps as suggested by this Constable sketch drawn of her in the Medway. M
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Shrouds, hammock cranes and how to climb up
Blue Ensign replied to dafi's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
I can see the logic of your argument Daniel but such items are not included by Steel as 'Necessary Ropes' yet he mentions Entering ropes and stern ladders. Although I have seen Jacobs ladders rigged on contemporary models, I've not seen those shroud ladders rigged on British ships at least. Perhaps British Tars were more agile than you imagine M. -
I think you'll find that book very useful Hamilton, loads of clear drawings of fittings as well as rigging, and there are rigging size tables included. Cheers, B.E.
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