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I was awate of some people trying to calculate the load using basic integral calculus, but i wasn't aware of the use of matehematics in hull design. Could you tell me where you found info on how they did it? I know the books by witsen and van ijk, but they do not give any design-rules, apart from rules of thumb, and "it should be done this way, as we always did it this way...." Jan
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It puts things in perspective. There aren't that many small modells around here. Showing how you did it will be appreciated. At least by me Jan
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I am still wondering: the title of the post states scale 1:96. But is 28 meters not very small for a 70 gun ship. I guess it is not 1:96, but 1:192.... Jan
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As Chris states: 'length' has various meanings. There are a couple of options: 1. length overal (i.e. including bowsprit etc) 2. length between the perpendiculars (which is what you indicated in your sketch) 3. length over deck, which is more or less the length of the deck (between the sterns) 4. length over the waterline, which is the the distance between the points were the sterns 'hit the water' 5. keel length. Sometimes only the lenght of the keel is mentioned, which is consierably shorter that the other lengths. One of these lengths corresponds with your stated length. As Lady Nelson is a hypothetical ship, modelled to a more or less standard design, there is no reason to be 'off scale'. I suspect that the 16 meter refers to something else than the length between the perpendiculars. Jan
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That explains a lot ..... Jan
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There is another site: bestscalemodels. Is that a valid one, or is it also a site to avoid? Jan
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I thought youdid only model the resin part. The railing will not be resin, i think. Jan
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Hi David, I think your post landed in the wrong log.. There is no kit to be seen here for miles around. Hi PIet, I was already wondering where those fish-mouth ends would come in. Now I understand.... You don't leave any detailed unmodelled Jan
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The woodshown is what italians call walnut. I have the same stuf in my prinswillem kit. The strange thing isthat in proper strips, the wood called walnut has amuch,much closer grain, and is qlso slightly differently colloured. What the italian kitmakers call beach definitely has a punkish glos (especially the heat treted, flexible versionof it. ) Jan
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Masts are there, you're almost done Jan
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That's strange.pretty sure that beefwellington had the correct answer yesterday....... Where has he gone? I can repeat his answer, but that's just plain piracy Jan
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We had a thread on this firm at "MSW1" in which some said that this firm (and some other firm, using almost the same name which I now forgot) was selling plans of which they did not have the copyrights, had a somewhat sloppy service, and was to be avoided.... They have a phone-numer on their site, you could give it a try.... Jan
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Can you use decals on cloth? I've also seen thin metal foil as a base for flags. The miniature-scale guys use it: no problems with any fabric structure that is too coarse. Jan
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Chatham, Portsmouth? HMS something.... Jan
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It's fun, those little ropes. Although quite time-consuming. I'm not going very fast, as I try to be a little bit more historically accurate than the Corel-drawings. i.e more variety in block-size, rope-thickness, and a slightly more 'dutch' rigging practice. Therfore, progress is slow, and as I have large interuptions in my work, startup-time is long, the next time I start (first problem is always: how did I do that last month....) Jan
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My summer didn't go completely unspent... (sorry for the quality of the pics, they were taken wth a not so goog cmera...) All running riggin gof the bowsprit is more or less present. I 'only'' have ot belay the loose ends. One of the problesm at this scale is taht the rope is quite springy, and the yards not heavy enough to prevent teh rope going everywhere. I also redid the crowsfeet at the foremast, the rather whitish rope started to anoy me. Actually, I still think the crowsfeet should go altogether. It does look a bit out of place and period for this ship.... Jan
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Great! Dafi will have to speed up........ Jan
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Batavia by *Hans* - FINISHED
amateur replied to *Hans*'s topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Idon't see that many limitations:) Jan -
With not histrically correcti meant: giving a pictureofatypicaldutch fluyt. Inthe dutch fluyts the 'bulge' at high stern is even more pronounced Idon't know were Hoeckel found his resources for Derfllinger., and therefore can' comment on the accuracy of this specific reconstruction. As you said: something can be accurate or not. We will in many cases (duyfken is one, but there are more examples) give a picture of how it could have been, without ever knowing how far we are off..... Jan
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Bit late in replying to apost of sept thrid... Actually, duyfken is known as. Yacht, by all naming stamdards, while derf.inger is supposed to be a fluyt (i have to say, a very poor example of it, based on a reconstruction fromthe early thirties by rolf hoeckel) duyfken is early 1600' whilde derflinger is suposed to be around 1700 ( i guess) Derflinger as shown by eruomodel is not a fluyt by dutch standards, as the typical shape of the "back end" is not correct. It is also not a retourship, as again, the back end is not likea retourship.... Its kind of inbetween. (-although a nice model, it is not historically accurate) Having said that: painting the hull white was habit in the mid 1600. A mixture of chalk, tar, sulfur, lead and some other toxic ingredients wre smeared below the waterline to prevent. Although thereare indications that especially in the baltic erea this was not done, as rot wasnt a problem over there. The klinker plankint of the upper hull was standard, and in practice over long periods of time. It started off quite early, as the upper part of the hull had no structural function, and was build using thinnerplanks. To give some strength, klinkering was used. Jan
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I'm with Mark Jan
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