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Steel’s ‘Architecture’ is steep, but you get 2 volumes, and the plan-set quality is phenomenal. Although non ship specific you get quite a few 1:48 plans for many ship classes and boats, based on my experience if you were to buy these from the NMM you would pay far more on a per-print basis. Also, these plans are fully annotated so you find you way around the draughts, you learn much more quickly when all the parts are labelled. Anyway, that was my justification and I’m sticking to it 😁 Gary -
For those who are interested you can still purchase new sets of the Sim Comfort’s reprints of Steel’s works as Allan mentions above directly from him, I recently brought his Naval Achievements by James Jenkins, you can also still get Steel’s Rigging and Seamanship. They are not cheap, but are of the highest quality and as limited reprints will only increase in value over the coming years. You can contact him via his website at: https://simcomfort.co.uk/naval.htm As an aside, Sim is an acknowledged authority on Napoleonic edged weapons and the NMM recently acquired his collection, including Nelson’s fighting sword. The collection is undergoing conservation and may be destined for the NMM North here in Hartlepool alongside the Trincomalee. I have no connection to Sim other than as a customer and avid book collector. Gary
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The latest offering from Dr Sam Willis and the SNR is a look at Ship Models, part 1 looks at the Royal George of 1756. There is a 6 minute video in addition to the podcast. Worthwhile dropping bye in my opinion at https://snr.org.uk/the-mariners-mirror-podcast/ultimate-ship-models-1-hms-royal-george/ For those who enjoyed the Wellington Trust presentation on ship models by Simon Stephens this is an ideal complimentary podcast, with Simon also contributing. Gary
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Endeavour was not a RN built ship, she was built in 1764 as a Collier, i.e. a bulk coal carrier. She was originally named the Earl of Pembroke and brought in to the RN in 1768. One of the reasons for her selection was Cook’s familiarity with Colliers, this is where he learned his trade prior to joining the RN. I would suggest using RN scantlings etc. is a red herring, for accurate research studies of merchant ships would be more appropriate. She was built in Whitby at the yard of Thomas Fishburn, again Cook has strong connections with Whitby, being where he started his seagoing career. EDIT Wiki Commons holds drawings for the Endeavour, no framing plans but perhaps enough to assist, the attached example for the great cabin suggest beams were inside the frames. Gary
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Just ordered two books I’ve been drooling over, nice to see these books available once more. Gary
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Hi BE, It was not unusual for differing partition types to be mixed, so to have the doors solid as Sphinx, hence shown on the plans, but used in conjunction with other canvas partitions, that would not be shown. This would certainly explain the apparent ‘stranded’ nature of the anomalous doors. An example of mixing is Wardrooms in the mid 18th Century having a forward bulkhead of canvas stretched over frames, but mere hanging curtains to delineate cabins. These curtains were either just weighted at the lower end or fixed to ring bolts in the deck, so no real structure to be captured on the plans. I certainly wouldn’t like to model them, at 1:64 it would look like a dogs breakfast! Gary
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Hi BE, Just picking up on the puzzle of the isolated doors abaft the galley. I’ve been researching bulkheads of recent and it seems that only solid framed bulkheads, either demountable or permanent (the latter usually in the Orlop or Berth deck on a frigate), were shown on contemporary plans. Many partitions were little more than hanging canvas curtains, for instance to the Wardroom and Gunroom cabin spaces on Ships-of-the-Line, these are not shown on contemporary plans. It is entirely feasible that canvas screens were also to be found around the galley when there was a need for further enclosure, these would be rolled up and fixed under the deck beams when not required. Gary
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There are Vanguard 24 pdr carriages available at 1/64, the lengths are just not not given on Chris’s website, I’ve just measured the ones I have and they are a tad under 30mm, so close to 6ft at full scale. Gary
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From what I’ve seen of guns recovered from the wreck of the Agamemnon they were Armstrong pattern guns, Vanguard models carry both these and appropriate gun carriages. If you wish to make your own you will need the 1795 pattern gun carriage which was the prevailing carriage when Agamemnon was wrecked, carriages having a lifespan of approximately 10 years. Search the NationalMaritime Museum collections (https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects). Gary
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It’s from Peter Goodwin’s ‘The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War 1650 - 1850’ Gary
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Hi Daniel, I see you have turned detective once more! In this period Victory acted variously as a signalling ship and tender to the Wellington I believe, so my guess is it would be for the on watch signals team. Looks like the 2 lower structures aft of the cabin are flag lockers as you have identified, with the whole Poop set up as a signals platform. Gary
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It’s nice to see your work on MSW, it must be a year since I last checked out your website, I need to drop in again and see what other updates I’ve missed. Gary
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I believe Lavery is referring to the entire stove being made of brick which was the practice before cast iron stoves, not just the bed to the underside of the stove. Gary
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Hi Daniel, Nice find, there is a lot of Victory’s later history captured in that one photo. An Admiral Seymour recorded in the 1880’s that there were places he could run his walking stick through the sides, you can see what he meant. It has also been recorded around that time that areas of rot were covered with painted canvas, you can see the rows of nail holes where these patches have been removed. It also captures that the Wales had been removed, none are evident, they were taken off in 1857. The simulated yet planked-over Middle Deck No. 2 port is interesting, as are the numerous ventilation holes and their own riggols. You also get an appreciation of the depth of the chute from the heads which you can see just forward of the Lower Deck bridle port. It also confirms the anchor bed being very similar to that currently on the Trincomalee. Good luck with modelling the stove chimney, can I suggest that the plastic tubing you use is given a good kicking around the floor firstly, that should condition it nicely to match 😁. Gary
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I need assembly instructions for Vanguard Models 18ft cutter.
Morgan replied to ronv's topic in Wood ship model kits
They are available for download from the Vanguard website, but I notice it isn’t working correctly right now. I’ve attached a copy that I previously downloaded but you should check later to see if it has been changed / updated. Gary 18ft_cutter new.pdf -
If you are not doing so already I would soak the plank, leaving the plank over-long, apply your heat to get the desired bend, and clamp in place, trim to length when dry, also drill a small pilot hole before nailing. Gary
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In my view the most difficult kit is usually the current one you are working on ! Get past that and the memory will trick you in to believing it wasn’t so bad (until the next time). Gary
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One of the other sets of prints, the frigates, looks sort of Indefatigable style to me if I’m not mistaken. Gary
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Daniel, I think it is a cover for the Capstan Channel / Waterway. Looking at the inboard profiles for Steel and Rees the lower main capstan has the pawl rim or channel around it, but not to the fore lower or upper capstans (photos below). I recall that Capstan uses changed in the second half of the 18th Century, so the fact that you get the cover on either the fore or main capstan probably depends on practices in place at that time. Goodwin in his ‘The Construction and Fitting of the Sailing Man of War 1650 - 1850’ provides a comparative cross section at page 148 where you can see the cover to the left hand side, and is labelled waterway to the right hand side. Gary
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I’ve seen both, like a lot of English rhyming slang there is usually a progression that ends up with you racking your brain as to how they got there.
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‘Ham n Eggs’ rasee sister!
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Following a recent visit to the NMM Greenwich I can also confirm that Turner’s The Battle of Trafalgar shows the Garter Star to the Cathead. It is a huge painting and you can get within a few feet - closer if you lean in 🙄 Turner is the only artist that captured Victory after her return from Trafalgar, there is an extraordinary treasure trove of detailed sketches at the Tate. Interestingly he also shows 4 rows of glass panes to each of the windows of the quarter gallery, a feature he also captures in relation to the stern windows in his watercolour From Quarterdeck to Poop. Gary
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That a lower studding sail boom, not a spare yard. Gary
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Earlier today I took receipt of a nice package of wood from Vahur of Hobbymill.EU. I’d ordered the timber set for Chuck’s Winchelsea. I have plenty of English Box to mill, but not the time to mill it at present, that stops me moving forward. So I decided to try Hobbymill, and must say I’m pleased to have done so. The timber is well colour matched, and extremely well milled with an excellent finish, nice crisp and clean, as good if not better than the the veneer strips I often buy. Definitely a fan and will be buying from Hobbymill again. The Winchelsea cutting list produces a large bundle of wood. It comes well packaged, and is well marked. Having emptied the box I can’t get it all back in again. Vahur also provides some samples of other wood just to tease. Photos attached. Gary
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On these you can see the cleat, and possibly a decayed horn to the front.
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