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A couple of recent additions to US Naval History
Chapman replied to trippwj's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Good find Wayne. Found them here by title. https://www.history.navy.mil/research/publications/publications-by-subject/peculiar-skill.html https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/publications/publications-by-subject/sea-stories.html -
A well-considered and neat elaboration of this difficult part.
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The book isn't really new. The first edition is from 1985, but difficult to get. I am happy about the new edition, especially about the plan edition because I already have the first edition book. This part goes into the history of individual ships in detail. Such as the sister ship of the Hermione, the La Concorde. I think it's very interesting.
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I like your inspiring building reports. I'm curious how you do the oil canning on a dazzle paint ship.
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I understand, but it seems that this detail is only shown on the Louis XV model. The model has apparently been restored according to the paint. What I want to say. We do not know whether the model still corresponds to the original appearance. Also, unlike the British, these toilet / roundhouses do not seem to have caught on with the French. Lemineurs Le Saint-Philippe -1693 could serve as a reference here too, I think. Personally, I also find these bunker-like toilets terrible, they also don't seem to fit the style to me.
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Hello Marc! The round bunker-like toilet houses on the small deck: I have not yet been able to find on any drawing of French ships of the time. I suspect Heller and the museum model are incorrect here. What do you think about it?
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Translation help needed - Renaissance German
Chapman replied to Louie da fly's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I am also German, but this old language is difficult to read if you haven't studied it in detail. So I looked for a translation of the original. And the travel description was translated into standard German. https://books.google.de/books/about/Von_Konstanz_nach_Jerusalem.html?id=dDOVrgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y Unfortunately I don't have the book, but maybe someone can help. -
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Hello! From the Album Colbert the arrangement as it should have looked around 1660/70. Funny & important detail, the fence around the slot.
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Thank you guys, I didn't have the building report on the radar. I'll take a look over there.
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Thank you for the photo, the gun looks as dangerous as it was.
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Frolick you are right, of course Sirius ex Berwick, my mistake. That naturally explains the early carronades. I would have found it almost more exciting if it had been the Mauritius Sirius.
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Yes, this very early trunnion carronade is most remarkable on a wreck from 1810. I would not have thought that this type of Carronade was still actively used on a frigate around 1810. Is it possible to add a photo from behind? Thank you for sharing.👍
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Fantastic work in plastic 👍 and another step to the next deck.
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The Arbeitskreis Historischer Schiffbau published a two-part article about the French trois-ponts in the 17th century in his journal Das Logbuch in 1996. Author: Johann Gröbner. In part 2 the Rochfort RL original body plan is printed.
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Yes I can see 2 guns and with a lot of good will or a drink maybe 3 on the forecastle. And also guns on the poop. What I cannot say in conclusion is that it is RL or Monarque. But I tend more to RL. What is striking about the port drawing is the low freeboard of the ship, even though the ship is only slightly heeling. This drawing also shows a pronounced tumble home. Similar to that of the Royal Louis from 1692 on the original plans from the Rochefort archive, which were made in 1697 for a repair. This adaptation of the body plan seems to me to be more exemplary for the RL or Monarque from 1668/70, after adjustment, than the well-known strange body plan from the work of Admiral Paris. Unfortunately, I cannot show the plan here either for copyright reasons. But I can give you a source if you are interested.
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Hello Marc I don't have permission to publish the picture. But you can look at the picture here and also request a better scan. Albertina Museum Wien Edit: If this link no longer works, then this permanent link will definitely be the one Link
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I mean the drawing on my copy shows 2 small Chase guns and the corresponding round ports in the bulkhead on the forecastle.
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Hello Marc, unfortunately I don't have a better version. The text remains illegible. If the name of the ship was noted and legible, the secret would surely be solved. French ships from this period are definitely a headache. In 1673 weren't many french Ponant ships with 14 + 1 ports in the lower tier. The great drawings of the ship with the elegant flat appearance, identified as Superbe or Orgilleux, could all show the same ship. And this mysterious two-decker the sister ship or what else ? The latter seems to suit the bulky appearance of the Calais first or second -rate ship.
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It looks like V.d.V. Problems with perspective at the gun ports. In the front area of the lower battery, he had to correct the position of the piece gates. There is one gate too many. As I wrote it should be 14 gates and 1 hunting gate. Then the distribution also matches the upper gun deck. Source: NMM In my view, the exact total number of guns for identification is secondary. First of all, the number of gun ports cut into the hull is important It is easy to place guns on the upper decks. They can shoot over low parapets. And additional gun ports are also easier to install there. It's mostly a matter of top weight.
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Hello Marc, thank you for your answer. In my view, the argument against Reine is that the well-known V.d.V drawings. shown by you above, should have originated in 1673. And she shows 15 gun ports + 1 chase port on the lower deck. At the moment I think it could be the Superbe. It was one of a two ship class upgraded in 1673 to ship of the line with 3 gun decks There is a Van de Velde drawing that shows the bow of one of the two ships. the Superbe in 1672, after Solebay where she participated, could show that before her modification . I consider the simple figurehead, a lion, shown on the V.d.V drawing as a reference. The number of gun ports 14 +1 chase port and the overall appearance Likewise. Indeed both ships in the class were upgraded in this way. The Superbe, however, was after Solebay 1672 the first and could have been available for this event in 1673. Source: National Maritime Museum Source: Wikipedia/NMM
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Marc, great that you continue to show us your incredible work on the rear facade. I admire your perseverance and skill.👍 I hope it doesn't bother if I ask, at a competent point, which French Flagship of the line could be in Calais in 1673? The French ship seems to have brought Mary of Modena to this port city. Maybe a Ship from the Levant Fleet or Ponant, and which?
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