Ian_Grant

Amazed that it has been that long....9 months....sheesh!

I didn't realize how small this ship is until that shot with your fingers - wow great work!

1 hour ago, MrBlueJacket said:

Nice job covering the chain at that scale!

 

Nic

I was thinking that too - what did you use?

On 11/1/2025 at 5:45 PM, Glen McGuire said:

There are 2 types of people in the world - those that recommend good movies to watch and those that recommend lousy movies.  @Snug Harbor Johnny and @KennyH78 are definitely the first type.  We watched the "In the Heart of the Sea" last night and thoroughly enjoyed it.  When I saw that Ron Howard was the director, I knew the odds were high that it would be a good movie, and it was.  Thanks for the recommendation!      

Glen,  given your praise of this film, how can you not select the whaler "Essex" being sunk by a sperm whale for your next SIB..........?

Glen I am gobsmacked by its beauty and originality (and difficulty level)!  And that stand design!  Just clicking on "wow" doesn't come close to representing my awe......I say it every time you finish a build, but "how are you going to top this?"...........yet you manage to do so every time. 

Working on the torpedo net booms and rigging. I've been putting this off for a long time and it is as tedious as I expected. Here are a couple of pics on the port side, with the booms' forward and aft topping lifts and jackstay rigged. I just tied the lifts to brass etch eyes glued into tiny drilled holes in the hull. Strictly speaking the booms' ends should reach right up to deck level since the torpedo nets were "always" laced onto the jackstays, but I need to lift off much of the deck for access and the torpedo nets will come with it, hence the booms cannot be attached. I copied teenage Ian's simple solution of bending the tubes 90 degrees and inserting into drilled holes in the hull rather than trying to produce a set of 32 tiny U-joints or such.

I'm now down to a dozen brass etch eyes and ordered yet more which I will need for the starboard torpedo booms' rigging, and the main deck railings.

Also made some prototype Hotchkiss guns out of brass tube, some scrap brass etch, and evergreen, to mount in the 3D printed enclosure.

Also worked on QF-3 Vickers guns of which she had four. I made two prototypes of slightly different sizes, neither of which I can find now.

They consisted of a micro brass tube barrel inserted through a 3d-printed base and a two-piece breech assembly. They looked pretty good, planning some additional brass etch detail, but the reason I made two different ones is I couldn't decide on the size appropriate for crew members. Difficulty is I have no dimensions for these Vickers guns.

I searched yet again for some crew figures and this time found a lovely set of 10 resin-printed Royal Navy WWII bridge crewmen, available in several scales, on Etsy of all places. In my case the ship is 1/150, and the nearest of the many available scales are 1/144 and 1/160 representing men of 6ft and 5ft6in stature respectively. Decided on the 1/160 set. The CAD is very impressive; makes me wish I was making a 1/48 scale corvette. They would be awesome. Waiting to see how they look at 1/160.....🤔. They are from WWII not WWI but at this scale who's to know? I'll be lucky if I can paint them half decently.

When they arrive I can decide on the Vickers gun size and whether to change the height of the Hotchkiss guns and/or enclosure.

They are here:

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1424701804/wwii-royal-navy-the-bridge-10-figure-set

They're pictured on a WWII Flower Class corvette.

Speaking of which, there are two guys in my RC club with 1/48 Flowers. "CGTrader" has 3D print files for an entire 1/48 Flower, less some detailing, for $50, and the same for a "Castle" class corvette. I thought it might be fun to print a Castle class to cruise with them, but at 1/48 this larger ship would be 63" long with the concomitant weight - 9" longer and much less narrow than "Lion" which is already a bit unwieldy to carry. I might buy the file and print one at 1/64 ("S" scale) which would be 47-1/4" long, much more manageable.

........... If I ever complete already queued projects. 😏

That's really, really nice rigging thread. Who did you buy it from?

Amazing!  I must buy the multi-colour AMS Lite for my A1; didn't buy it earlier due to budgetary constraints. 😏

Oops! I see the black Friday sale is on - woo-hoo - must consult the Admiral.

15 hours ago, Ian_Grant said:

But seriously now, I'd like to recommend two excellent older classic movies; "Damn The Defiant"(1962) and "Billy Budd"(1962).

 

The first stars Alec Guinness as a frigate captain having to deal with both the French and his socially connected but insubordinate first lieutenant played by Dirk Bogarde (one of his finest roles).

 

The second stars Peter Ustinov as a captain who presses some seamen, among whom is Terence Stamp in his first role, as Billy, who falls afoul of the sadistic Master At Arms played by Robert Ryan.

 

I had both on VHS (haha) but I believe I only have Damn The Defiant on DVD.  Even my wife liked it. In fact, if the Jays weren't playing tonight I'm now in the mood to have watched it yet again......

I forgot to mention Gregory Peck's "Hornblower" which does a pretty good job of merging "The Happy Return" and "A Ship of the Line" books.

The only thing I did not like was his exaggerated "Ha-hm"; why couldn't he just clear his throat like a normal human??

But seriously now, I'd like to recommend two excellent older classic movies; "Damn The Defiant"(1962) and "Billy Budd"(1962).

The first stars Alec Guinness as a frigate captain having to deal with both the French and his socially connected but insubordinate first lieutenant played by Dirk Bogarde (one of his finest roles).

The second stars Peter Ustinov as a captain who presses some seamen, among whom is Terence Stamp in his first role, as Billy, who falls afoul of the sadistic Master At Arms played by Robert Ryan.

I had both on VHS (haha) but I believe I only have Damn The Defiant on DVD.  Even my wife liked it. In fact, if the Jays weren't playing tonight I'm now in the mood to have watched it yet again......

21 minutes ago, Glen McGuire said:

There are 2 types of people in the world - those that recommend good movies to watch and those that recommend lousy movies.  @Snug Harbor Johnny and @KennyH78 are definitely the first type.  We watched the "In the Heart of the Sea" last night and thoroughly enjoyed it.  When I saw that Ron Howard was the director, I knew the odds were high that it would be a good movie, and it was.  Thanks for the recommendation!      

And the third type is those that can't recall the title or who was in it..........

11 hours ago, Dr PR said:

Here is another photo of boat booms deployed on a mid 20th century ship.

 

https://www.okieboat.com/Copyright images/1 OK City at anchor 1024 C.jpg

 

The booms were hinged to the side of the ship and rested in cradles on the ship's side when not in use. The ropes and ladders were rigged when the booms were deployed.

Yes it's a good example of boat boom usage, but this mid 20th century ship has no torpedo nets or booms to get in the way.

I looked up a few more images of Formidable (commissioned 1904) as mentioned by @Javelin. The images below show that her torpedo nets were stowed on some sort of shelf running along her side well below main deck level, with the attached booms obviously reaching only to them. This leaves plenty of room to attach boat booms higher up.

I dragged out my "British Battleships of WWI" tome and leafed through. It shows ship classes designed starting only in 1904 unfortunately. Like Lion, most ships' torpedo booms reached up right to deck level to where the nets were brailed up, meaning that any boom attached to the hull would be "clamped" in place by overlapping torpedo booms and their topping lifts.

This has been a useful discussion; thanks everyone!  I can now see why Ough depicts rear boat booms pivoting from the aft superstructure above deck level; I will have them follow inside the railing and I suppose provide a cradle to hold up their free ends.

Still haven't decided whether to add the other booms shown in the perhaps errant 3D. They're not in any drawings in my book, at least that I have noticed.

11 minutes ago, Javelin said:

Not talking about booms for lowering the boats, but booms for entering them.

Like ones seen on HMS Formidable here: 

HMS Formidable

 

Sailors would crawl along the boom to the ladders length towards ladders, the boats would be moored side by side along the boom below the ladders.

 

As mentioned I'm not entirely sure. You also see the boom on Formidable is mounted on the hull side rather than on deck. But I don't think it's impossible. 

 

 

Oh, now I see! Maybe..........Ough shows a boom mounted on the side of the aft structure which is perhaps for this.  It's mounted at rail level with no on-deck support easily spotted but maybe this is that boom........Too many booms, I'm getting a headache.........🤪  Will make for lots of interesting detail though.

39 minutes ago, Javelin said:

Given their position in relation to the boats's position, I'd also say they are the booms to moor and embark the boats. They also seem to be long enough to serve that purpose. 

Regarding rigging to deploy and stow them, no idea. Perhaps connected near the upper stowage support? 

Good guess, but the long boom on the main mast seen in the rendering going off photo to the left is a large crane to handle the well deck boats.

There are two smaller cranes for the forward boats.

7 hours ago, Dr PR said:

Boat boom?

 

We used long poles and buoys to mark locations - for mine fields, channels, etc. The spar passed through a hole in the buoy. On the lower end of the spar a cable and weight were attached to anchor the buoy. At the upper end of the spar was a flag (and a radar reflector after radar was invented).

Thank you Dr PR!! That seems likely given it's circa WWI. I have noticed that the "boom" seems to be simply clipped to the top of the blast shield without any rigging at its tip. Now that I have a story in case anyone asks, I will install a pair or two.

Thanks again, and best regards!

Ian

10 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Ian, wild guess here.......were those spars used to hold the torpedo nets (removed after the Battle of Jutland in 1916) and the barrels (which have domed tops) were used to store the netting when not deployed? 

Keith, thanks but afraid not. The torpedo nets were massive - they were rolled up and lashed down on shelves running most of the length of the ship outside the main deck railings. In the 3D rendering image above, the net is the long black thing. There were "brailing davits" spaced at short intervals along the sides too, probably about 80 of them in all; I had already sort of decided to omit them since I already have to make about the same number of stanchions. 🙄

I have some brailed cord to dye black to represent the nets.

1 hour ago, ddp said:

look at the bottom of the search light in that circle & you'll see 2 dotted lines to that spar. whether those lines go to the top of the spar or not i do not know. is that "wooden" cask actually wood, painted metal or some other material? what time period does it show the spars & casks & is it same time period as your model?

The searchlight towers were added after 1916 and are shown dotted in this Norman Ough drawing which shows an earlier appearance. I believe the dotted lines you mention run to the edge of the platform and just happen to be behind the tip of the spar. I do not know if the cask is really wood; I've only ever seen it in the 3D rendering, which is from the "HMS Lion" entry at navalencyclopedia.com.

Does anyone here recognize the purpose of this spar, and apparently associated large wood cask, circled in the pic:

The 3D rendering (which I already know has errors in it; it's not infallible) shows a pair like this, port and starboard, and a similar pair at the forward superstructure.

My Ough drawing shows the following: yes there is a spar, albeit stowed at a different position, but no cask.

He doesn't seem to show any at the forward superstructure

Also, I'm puzzled by how the free ends are being held in position.

If anyone can shed light on this for me I'd be grateful. Thanks!

4 hours ago, Javelin said:

I'm with Johny! 

 

 

Brilliant result Glen! It looks even better than I'd imagined when she was still out of the bottle. 

The scale, including flame nicely fills that bottle. It's a perfect fit really!

Johnny's idea is brilliant!  My only other suggestion might be to do a bottle scene without a ship at all, just a sperm whale and a giant squid battling it out in the depths.

That parral is microscopic! How many pieces did you lose on the floor? 😉

11 hours ago, hof00 said:

I was not happy with the way the plans/instructions fixed the Upper Yards, (Tied on), to the Masts so decided to make Parrel Jaws? to ride on the Masts. (I hope it works out ok.... 🙂)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

It's common to buy small beads, maybe 15/0 ?? at your scale, with which to make parrals. It's easy to thread through them but slightly more difficult to make the little ribs between the beads.

Looks great!  Did you have these decals custom-made?

Nice work. Those lower yard trusses are detailed - are they a kit part or did you fabricate them?

Glen, you keep raising the bar with each build!! This is truly amazing, and I really like the wavy flow of the bottle itself, too.

Very, very well done!

Looks ah-ma-zing John!