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Hi Peter: Wow - your America is coming along really nicely! I'd say the coppering is more than "acceptable" - the rivets are a great detail - and I love the "dockyard" feel you provide in your photos. Really brings the model to life. Also - you live in a remarkable place! I've never been to Switzerland, but hope to in the near future. If you love rain you should try coming out to the Pacific Northwest! We have mountains, too - though not as dramatic as your Alps - and we have, as I say, lots of rain....so if you're ever feeling too dry, this is the place for you. hamilton
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Hi Tim: Thanks for your very kind words!! Sorry to see no photos here! Though I'm excited to read that you're going for the sails - did I not read earlier that you were thinking of leaving them off? The sails really do make the model....this model anyway.... I did not use Mamoli's cloth since I found it too stretchy and could not get a straight stitch into it. I went to the local sewing supply shop and with the help of some very nice experts at the store I sourced some raw cotton muslin - thin but tough with a tight weave and not a lot of stretch in it - also more or less the right colour to pass for canvas. It is likely out of scale for the build - certainly the tan upholstery thread I used for stitching is out of scale - but I like the effect, so I won't mind too much....My sail-making process does not net the cleanest results.....Looking forward to seeing what you do hamilton
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Looks really great John - beautiful job on the rigging hamilton
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Alright - a minor but significant update on Bluenose - I have finally put glue to wood and assembled the keel parts! I had to do a few minor modifications to the joints between keel sections to make sure they fit as snugly as possible - a little sanding here a little shimming there - while also making sure I didn't accidentally mess with the overall dimensions of the parts. Not too tricky, but very finicky.... I also noticed that I made the first of what undoubtedly will be a long list of errors! In my rush to make adjustments to keel and bulkheads to get the bulkheads to sit nice and square, I realised that the shims I added below the slots on the keel actually made the three keel parts sit unevenly when I laid them out on a flat surface for assembly....The centre piece especially needed shimming and sat about .5mm higher on a level surface than the forward keel piece. The aft part didn't need much but it needed a particularly thick shim at bulkhead "O", which not only put the aft end of that bulkhead about .5mm higher than the fwd end, but also put the piece as a whole out of level with the centre piece! My choices were to try to inserts shims around and use a level to try to get things right (insane!) or to remove the shims on one side of the keel pieces. I went for the latter approach. I then salvaged an off-cut piece of plywood from some shelving I made last Spring, which will function first as the flat surface for setting the keel pieces together and later as my building board, once I invest in some paper large enough to make a tracing of the plan view of the deck from the MS drawings...... I used carpenters yellow glue on the joints and separated the keel pieces from the plywood surface with some parchment paper. Once I had scraped the excess glue away on both sides I set the pieces flat against the parchment and placed some storage jars (and one heavy ceramic urn) filled with water atop the part to keep it flat. The urn was added as an afterthought since I noticed the bow rising very slightly (1/64" or so) off the surface....this might require some correcting - which I'll do when I set up the building board.....When this will be I don't know because making keel supports fore and aft will require the use of the bandsaw and the weather forecast shows rain pretty constantly here for the next little while.....in other words, I'll probably spend more time working on Syren than on Bluenose in the near future...... bye for now hamilton
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Thanks Jond: Thanks! I imagine that has less to do with any skill I possess and more because I'm working from existing kit plans rather than developing a model from scale drawings - plus the needs of a static versus an RC model makes things simpler and tidier. I don't think I have the patience or skill to go down the path you're following!! We'll see how neat things look when I start carving the rabbet joint...... hamilton
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Hi Jond: Finally took a slow stroll through your build log. What an odyssey! I will certainly be following this with great interest as I develop my (much more modest) Bluenose. I'm very curious about how you will tackle the anchor winch and windlass....I too have read through Gene Bodnar's Bluenose practicum and he suggests a way of making these parts that does not involve any metal work.....but I'm not sure of how the results will look.....especially at 3/16 (let alone 1/4) scale..... I also really like your approach to marking out the hatch areas during the deck planking - so simple! Yet I had never thought of it! I will definitely be using that approach on this and all my other builds so I can nest the hatches and yet have nice deck planking too. Thanks for posting this log and I'm excited to see how your build develops! hamilton
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Slow progress on Bluenose. The templates I made from the Model Shipways plans were, I think, accurate. But my bandsaw skills need work! The centre part of the keel needed a lot of adjustment - the cut along the top was quite uneven and considering the quarterdeck "step" is there this required some finessing before it was right. The aft keel part was fine - needed a bit of trimming along the aft top edge, but was good other than that. The bulkheads, on the other hand, required quite a bit of adjusting and the addition of shims on the keel below the slots before they would sit square and rest nicely on the keel..... Anyway, as of this evening I've finished rough shaping and marking up the main framework pieces. Rabbet and bearding lines are drawn on the keel parts port and starboard, the centre lines marked on the edges of the keel and on the tops of the bulkheads and rough fairing of the fore and aft bulkheads and inboard bulkhead extensions is finished. My next step will be to make a building board and glue the keel pieces together, add some reinforcements to the seams and then figure out the mounting...this is something that's always turned me around a bit.....but more on this later...for now here are some photos of the keel parts and bulkheads clamped together.....bye for now hamilton
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Thanks a lot Tim! Oh to have a wood shop! Or a New Mexico autumn for that matter....I imagine it's drier than the one we're having up here in the pacific northwest..... I'll wait for your return to America - I hope you do get back to her soon - she's a lovely model! Bye for now hamilton
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Thank you Mark, Nils and Peter! Peter - there are so many great Syren builds on the go that I'm unsure what mine would add! I will be keeping up with my scratch Bluenose log so you can find me there as an occasional contributor - I'm a kitchen table modeller so when Canadian winter descends I can't really use any of my power tools (haven't even tried to convince the Admiral to let me use the bandsaw in our dining room!)....so the challenge will be to get all the heavy cutting and sanding done before I'm unable to reliably work outside.....and I'll look forward to catching up on your America build! And Tim's (haven't heard from him in a while.....) Anyway thanks again! Bye for now hamilton
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Well after over 13 months and over 100 actual work sessions America is now complete! It seems fitting that the last night of work on this model was among the most frustrating. I'm sure we've all experienced times when it occurs to us (too late!) that it probably was not the right time for us to sit down at the bench but we did it anyway....that was me tonight.....In rigging the jib halliard, I pulled its corresponding deck block free, but then in pulling up the eyebolt it was stropped to I ended up pulling free the single block holding the starboard side staysail sheets, and then when I was cutting away the thread with which I'd stropped that block to an eyebolt on the cap rail, I ended up crushing the starboard block for the jib sheet!! I thought I was ten minutes away from completing the model, and then put in another 90 minutes worth of work doing repairs, and then having to redo the jib halliard block on deck twice! Anyway, I think I would have put things to bed when the chaos first happened if I hadn't been so close to the end....all in all, I'm pleased with how the model turned out. There were a lot of (to me) confusing parts of this build and the fact that the kit was missing some key components (thanks again for the replacements Tim!!) and had others that were not the proper size for the jobs they were meant to do made things tricky and sometimes frustrating. I fretted probably more than I needed to over the hull planking since I ended up replacing the hull planking material - but used wood strips dimensioned for imperial measurements when the kit used metric.....But all in all, I had fun building this model and would probably recommend it. Thanks to all for following along and another special thanks to Tim (mojofilter) for the help! I've decided to build Syren next, but will not be keeping a log. I find that when I do I have less time for following my favourite builds here, so I think I'll spend my MSW time admiring other people's work! Here's a photo of the finished model - more in the gallery! Bye for now hamilton
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Thanks Bob, Peter and David for the comments and likes! Sails are so tricky....and I have a lot to learn on that front.....but even in the crude form they have here I think they add a lot to the look of a model. Looking forward to finishing this one! It's taken FAR longer than I imagined (working on it for over a year - almost as long as the much more complex Blandford)...... hamilton
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Hello there Just a few photos of the progress to date on America - realising I've not updated here in a while....a lot has been accomplished since my last update with photos - finished making the spars and doing the standing rigging, made 3 of the five sails and now rigged them......here are the results. Now to finish stitching the fore staysail and jib and finishing her off! Next post should do it I think..... hamilton
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Hi Peter! Yes - I was experimenting with some new approaches, including hand stitching the hems and boltropes, which turned out to be a real bust....I've read through a number of tutorials on scale sail-making, but I feel that none of them are suitably descriptive in terms of the actual process....I am going to eventually order volume for of David Antscherl's The Fully Framed Model, which I understand has a section on sail making.....given the high quality of the descriptions in the rest of that series I've got high hopes for the sail-making parts...... In any case, I have made sails for the America - they are machine stitched (easy enough) and I've simulated the hems with regular machine stitching....I'll post some photos later to show the results....they're not pretty close up, but they work fine to bring the model to life a bit more (as long as people aren't too picky about things....the main issue is the fraying of the sail cloth around the outside hem stitches....it is impossible (for me anyway) to cut the sails from the cloth exactly to the hem line, so there is a bit of fraying - sometimes this results in the hem stitch getting pulled out a bit too....fortunately this has only happened in areas of the model that don't immediately draw the eye....except my eye of course...... hamilton
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It's been a while since I updated here, but progress on America continues.....I spent about a week re-learning how to use the sewing machine and make half (or quarter?) decent stitches, then a bit more time messing up and redoing the sail patterns, then still more time stitching the sails, then accidentally cutting the jib sail pattern in half while cutting out the main gaff topsail.....you get the idea......too frustrated to take photos, but I'll have a few of the sails to this point posted a bit later. I've got the mainsail and the main gaff topsail on at this point - from a distance they look great! Up close....it's obvious I need to develop my technique.....or forget about sails - fortunately none of the builds I have from here on (except the Berlin) feature sails, so I can avoid them.... Anyway pictures soon - I imagine I'll be finished this build on the weekend or early next week! Then it's onto something else....not sure what I'll build next...my scratch Bluenose project is on the go but it can't occupy much of my time, so I'll choose another kit to build alongside it....It'll be either Syren or the Corel Bellona but it's been hard for me to make a choice. I know that Bellona will take a long time since I want to build the kit to a high standard of historical accuracy (using the AOS volume, as well as Lees Masting and Rigging). Syren will be "easier" though I'm frightened at the prospect of so many 1/8" and 3/32" blocks!! Anyhoo....that's all for later....in the meantime, happy modelling hamilton
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What are these? does anybody knows? thanks.....
hamilton replied to BIGMAC's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Yes something like that but obviously less modern.....I don't know anything about lateen rigging, so the idea of a counterweight kind of makes sense - but I'm used to seeing ball trucks on the upper end of a top or t'gallant mast, so that's just my guess..... hamilton -
What are these? does anybody knows? thanks.....
hamilton replied to BIGMAC's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
They seem pretty exaggerated, but they must be "ball trucks" (though "ball" doesn't really describe them. They would have contained a sheave through which the flag halliards would have been run - for flying standards and pennants off the masts.....I might be wrong though - they look significantly different from the later period ball trucks I've seen..... hamilton -
Thanks Allan! I'm flattered you came by! So far the toughest aspect of scratch building is figuring out how much material I'm actually going to need.....I have a suspicion that I'm going to spend a lot of money on wood and other materials that "won't end up getting used" - in quotes because I know they eventually will get used...... Also - starting with the BN feels more like dipping a toe in the lake rather than diving right in......I'm not sure what's on the bottom or exactly how chilly the water is......the MS plans are very detailed and take a lot of the guess work out of things - though developing some drafting skills is something I would truly love to do.....more for the future! Bye for now hamilton
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Hi Jond: The trip to Lunenburg is definitely worth it. I grew up just up the road from you in New Brunswick (spent a bit of time in Portland and Bangor as well). Anyway, I wish I had the kind of space you've got for modelling! This will be a really interesting project to see come together. hamilton
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Hi Jond: Thanks for stopping in - I took a look in on your build log - that's going to be HUGE! I'll follow with interest for sure....bye for now hamilton
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Minor update on Bluenose...... All the 3/16 framework parts are now cut and I've begun to refine them and prepare them for assembly, section by section. Because I can only work on Bluenose for a few hours a week, the progress is relatively slow. I started with the forward keel piece (1), testing it against the plans and marking it up where adjustments needed to be made - a particularly fussy area was the joint with the centre keel piece (2), which needed quite a bit of shimming and trimming for a decent fit. I'll also have to do a bit of work on the fwd joint of keel piece 2 (especially at the top/deck line) to make things fair..... I then needed to mark on the rabbet and bearding lines on both sides of the keel part....technically I should have waited to do this until all the keel parts were assembled so I could be assured of a smooth run of these important lines....but I decided instead to throw caution to the wind! I figure they're just pencil marks so I'll see how things line up and make adjustments later - worst case scenario I'll have to make a template of the full run of the lines and remark them.....not the end of the world. I made templates off the plans and marked the lines from the templates. They look a little rough in these photos but I've cleaned them up since.....Once these lines were on, I drew in lines from the bulkhead slots to the bearding line for purposes of squaring the bulkheads.... The next step was to dry fit the bulkheads. This was a matter of filing out the keel slots on the bulkheads slightly (all were tight) and the bulkhead slots on the keel slightly. Some of the slots needed to be filed down a bit so the reference lines would line up properly and so the tops would be flush on the top of the keel. In seating the bulkheads I noticed a couple whose tops needed to be sanded down a bit further to sit flush. The tops also needed to be filed down for the deck sheer, and then faired slightly (using sanding blocks and files on both the outer edge and the inner edges of the bulkhead extensions). Final fairing will be done later obviously.... I also discovered that I had to recut bulkhead "A" and make significant adjustments to bulkhead "E". This is what I did today. That does it for the forward keel and bulkheads....next week I'll start work on the centre section..... That's all for now. Thanks for stopping by hamilton
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Frame construction
hamilton replied to jbeyl's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Hi Jon I invested in the first volume of TFFM and it describes what you're talking about in great detail (with illustrations and photos to help with visualisation). I have not built a fully framed model, but I can see how this and the other TFFM books would be invaluable in this process, especially for those cutting their teeth on this approach. I will likely buy volume 2 this Christmas and use both for general tips in the construction and outfitting of my Echo cross-section (once I build up the guts to tuck into that project....) hamilton -
OK - it's time to turn this into an official build log by documenting the beginning of the build....these photos may look familiar - in fact they're almost identical to photos posted earlier of my tests...the difference is that this is the real deal.... I remade patterns for the keel pieces, bulkheads, sternpost and rudder and arranged these on 4 3/16" birch ply billets. I then dragged out the bandsaw and managed to get through 2.5 of the billets before my wife came home with the kids and I had to pack up.....I also took my disc/belt sander for a test drive cleaning up the parts after cutting - I already see the great utility of this tool! One issue is that because of the depth of the gap between the belt sander and the frame I can't use the belt sander to clean up all the bulkhead slots....I'll take a file to these later....in the meantime, I'm quite pleased - I've only really botched one part so far (bulkhead "M", which I'll have to redo) - with a bit of finessing, I think the framework will come together just fine.... Anyway here are a couple of photos - it'll probably be back to the America during the coming week (making sails, and finishing the rigging), but while the weather's nice, I'd like to get as much into the Bluenose as possible - once the framework's done, I'll be able to move the build inside for planking, etc.... bye for now hamilton
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attaching grommets to sail feet/luff/head
hamilton replied to hamilton's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thank you all for your comments - very sage advice!! I'll have to give it some consideration - fortunately I do have an excess of fabric so I can try a couple of things to see what works/handles best - I'm definitely not going to spend 300$ for a grommet press!! I think that's a definite.....as for the rest, seems like there's latitude for experimentation. Thanks again and bye for now hamilton -
Hi there: I've seen grommets represented on the feet, luff and head of sails (mainsails) through which the lashing runs. Can anyone describe/post photos of a technique for attaching these to the sail? The instructions that came with my Mamoli America kit are extremely vague but reference riveting the grommets on....there are some extremely small grommets that come with the kit for this purpose, but I have no idea how to rivet them, nor how really to attach them to the sails....my instinct is to simply fasten them on from the display side only, but I think that ultimately this would look bad..... Any and all suggestions would be most welcome! Thanks a lot! hamilton
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