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HMS Renard 1872 by Draque - 1/24 - POF
Tony Hunt replied to Draque's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Hi Michael I love your project! As a Sydneysider I too have a strong interest in the ships that were built here or sailed from here, and RENARD (or any of the blackbirding flotilla schooners) is a great choice. I didn't know the plans were available, nice work finding them. The plans themselves are interesting. They show a hull with a slight clipper bow, so presumably they are the plans for ALACRITY, originally ETHEL, which it appears was purchased by the Navy rather than built for them specifically like the other four schooners. I wonder who drew these plans? I assume ETHEL was designed in Sydney by Cuthbert or one of his colleagues*, so perhaps these plans ended up with the Navy (and thus in the collection at the NMM) as part of the process for reviewing the design prior to ordering the next four schooners in the series? There are poor photos of ALACRITY, BEAGLE and CONFLICT at anchor in Sydney Harbour on pages 58 and 59 of John Bastock's book Ships on the Australia Station. It might be possible to track down the originals, the images of ALACRITY and BEAGLE are credited to Mr H. O'May (presumably the Tasmanian maritime historian Harry O'May https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/omay-henry-harry-11304) while the picture of CONFLICT came from Bastock's (https://www.navy.gov.au/biography/mr-john-bastock) own collection. Both these gentlemen passed away long ago and I don't know where these collections ended up, but both were reputable historians so I expect they would have ended up in a public collection somewhere. Re the frame heads question, the usual practice was to end the frames below the deck and put stanchions between the frame to carry the bulwark planking. This reduced the likelihood of fresh water and thus rot getting into the frames. Anyway, great project and I look forward to seeing it progress! Cheers Tony *Perhaps not - it seems a bit unclear who built ETHEL. -
I think a lot of us would be happy to achieve results that good at considerably larger scales.
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While I fiddle around lofting frames, here is a little about the process I use to take the lines off these vessels, which I hope is of interest. I've done this for about a dozen of these luggers (about half of all the ones that survive) and just as well really, as at least five of these have since been destroyed and several more are "at risk". It's a tough world for 100-year-old wooden boats that need very expensive restoration and maintenance, and aren't all that practical as private pleasure craft when you're finished. I should preface what follows by pointing out that there are lots of ways to do this and this is just the way I do it. I haven’t tried any of the other ways so I can’t really say whether they are better or worse; but having used this method quite a few times now I’m at least sure that it works reasonably well for vessels with a straight keel. The method has evolved a bit over the years in the light of experience and I’ve now got it down to a pretty slick process – I can lift a good set of measurements off a ~50 foot hull in a single day. Of course, modern computerised laser surveying gear (as used by yacht raters and the like) makes manual methods like this redundant, but I can’t afford the price and in any case it seems to take a lot of the fun out of the whole thing. The boat has to be out of the water, of course. I’ve measured luggers on slipways (marine railway type); on tidal slips; on the hardstand (after being lifted out by travel lift); lying abandoned on a mudbank; and even sitting on a cradle in a museum gallery. The method works OK for all of them, but as a rule the more level and upright the boat is sitting, the easier it will be. The availability of things like a workbench, a covered shelter (to keep your notes dry when it’s raining!), bathroom facilities and a not-too-distant source of cold drinks, hot coffee and sticky pastries also help, although they’re not essential. When measuring pearling luggers a mixed flock of sandflies and mosquitoes are usually present so insect repellent is essential, as is sunblock. Luggers are usually found in remote parts of Australia so nearly all the tools I use can be carried as checked luggage on an airline. The main ones are clamps (I mostly use quick grips, they’re fantastic); a selection of tapes and rulers (including a long, non-stretch tape on a reel); a selection of spirit levels, plumb bobs and bricklayers stringlines; a carpenters square; a selection of marking devices including chalk, tape, marker pens and small nails; a clipboard and notebook; and of course a camera. When I arrive I find a hardware store and buy three long, straight pine battens – 3 metres x 40mm x 15mm works fine for boats the size I work on; larger boats might require longer battens. I also need to borrow a reasonably large ladder, fortunately most boatyards can supply these if you ask nicely. Using a tape and the marker pens I turn the battens into three large rulers, marked in feet and inches. The first step is to establish a zero datum, which is the point on the boat to which all subsequent measurements will be able to be related. I make this at a recognisable point on the top of the stem (usually either the forward or aft edge of the bowsprit gammoning strap where it crosses the stemhead) and mark this with something like a clamp, which should remain in place for the duration of the survey. I next drop a plumbline down the stem from the zero datum, to establish whether the boat is sitting level and to carry a reference line down to the level of the keel. If possible I establish another datum point at this level – a big block of wood with a nail in it seems to work well. The picture below illustrates the idea. The zero datum for this survey of the 1904 Thursday Island lugger WAITOA is marked by a clamp (just visible) at the top of the aft edge of the bowsprit gammoning strap. Measuring from one or both of these datum points, I then run a long tape the length of the boat and mark off the station intervals. As a rule of thumb, divide the overall length of the hull into ten equal parts, this gives the approximate station spacing. On pearling luggers, which are generally a bit over 50 feet long, I use station intervals of six feet. If the hull has strong curvature at any point (such as the stern quarters) it may pay to put some extra stations in to better define the shape of the hull in that area – this is a matter for judgement and of course experience helps in this regard. If there is an obstacle in the way of a station (such as the arms of a slipway cradle) it doesn’t matter, the station can be moved a foot or two without affecting the outcome . I try to record the positions and dimensions of visible hull features (things like deckhouses, chainplates and the like) that can be seen in photographs and used to scale dimensions on them. I use feet, inches and eighths (because pearling luggers were built in the era of imperial measures) and record them using the usual feet-inches-eighths shorthand used by shipwrights, so 20-8-5 is 20 feet, eight and five-eighths inches. Once the station intervals have been marked (chalk or tape works well) the bulk of the work begins – establishing the cross-sectional shape of the hull at each station. I do this by using the three batten rulers and clamps to build a triangular frame of known dimensions against the hull at the station, and then measure offsets from it to the hull. The frame should be a right-angled triangle and follow the shape of the hull reasonably closely – measuring short offsets is easiest and offsets more than three feet long can get very tricky. If the boat is level and upright the two sides of the triangle that meet at the right angle should be set horizontal and vertical respectively, using spirit level, plumbline and carpenters square. The station can be established perpendicular to the waterline, a stringline or the line of the keel. Of these, the waterline is preferable, firstly because most NAs these days seem to follow the convention of drawing cross sections set at right angles to the waterline, and secondly because the keel isn’t always dead straight (due to hogging, for example). If the boat is lying on its side I set up the stations at right angles to the side face of the keel. This introduces an unwanted source of error and is far from ideal, but sometimes you don’t have any choice. The pictures below illustrate what I mean; they show the abandoned hulk of VIKING, looking very forlorn. The next picture is a detail of the measuring frame made from the batten rulers, showing the right angle where the vertical and horizontal battens meet. The measuring triangle can be accurately defined by recording the points where the battens intersect. I do this by referring to the battens as the vertical, horizontal and diagonal (V, H and D respectively) and so an intersection point of the triangle might be recorded as V 2-6-0, D 8-5-4. In other words, the vertical and diagonal battens intersect at the two foot six inches mark on the vertical batten and the eight feet five-and-a-half inches mark on the diagonal batten. I also record the key points where the triangle intersects the hull. I draw a sketch to record all this, like the one below: Once you have all this data, the laborious task of drawing it all up into a conventional set of boat plans can begin. I start by plotting out each of the sectional shapes, first drawing up the triangle, then plotting out all the offsets and then “joining the dots”. As the example below shows, the method gives very clear and fair curves. Once you have these shapes, the usual methods are followed to draw the hull, fairing the waterlines, buttock lines and diagonals etc. There are numerous textbooks describing this process in detail, so I won’t repeat it all here. Suffice to say that the quality of the result from this point will reflect your skills as a draughtsman – I hope yours are better than mine! The end result will (hopefully!) look something like the drawing below, in this case showing the 1929 Broome lugger REDBILL. Of course, lots more measurements of details , deck layouts, rig etc can be added, and historical pictures are useful so you can see what has been modified over the years.
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After much prevaricating about what to build, I've decided to start with an obvious choice and build a Thursday Island pearling lugger. It's an obvious choice because I've spent so much time (decades!) researching these vessels. The one I've chosen is GRAFTON, a classic example of the type, built during the heyday of the industry in 1907 at Thursday Island (the main settlement in the islands of the Torres Strait, between Australia and New Guinea) by a Japanese shipwright, Tsurumatsu Shiosaki. The Japanese had started entering the pearling industry in the Torres Strait in the 1890s and quickly came to dominate it, both as divers and as shipbuilders, mainly due to their willingness to work very hard and for lower wages than Australian shipwrights. GRAFTON had a long life, working as part of the Wyben Pearling Co. fleet (owned by Burns Philp & Co. Ltd) until WW2, when she was impressed into military service along with the rest of the pearling fleet, in 1942. She survived the war and was returned to Burns Philp & Co. in 1946, resuming pearling until the late 1960s. She then passed through various private owners, steadily deteriorating and on one occasion capsizing and sinking. She was raised, but never sailed again, and was eventually abandoned on a mudbank in Port Douglas, where the port authorities eventually removed her and broke her up in March 2019. GRAFTON (seen here behind the lugger PARAMA in the foreground) in her heyday, 1930, at Thursday Island. GRAFTON abandoned on a mudbank at Port Douglas, Queensland, shortly before she was broken up in 2019. As part of my ongoing research into these luggers, in 2007 I took the opportunity to take the lines off her while she was up on the hardstand at Cairns, getting a bit of maintenance. Her owner at the time loved her dearly, but lacked the resources to do the full restoration that a 100-year old really lugger needed after a long and hard life. In two days I filled a notebook with measurements, and a while later my research colleague Michael Gregg, curator of maritime history at the Western Australian Maritime Museum, arranged for Naval Architect Bill Leonard to use these measurements to produce a beautifully executed drawing of her. Taking offsets Taking offsets at Cairns in 2007. Bill Leonard's draught of GRAFTON produced from my measurements. At the moment I'm lofting frames and getting myself organised to get started. I've decide on a scale of 1/50, which gives a hull a bit over a foot long. The plans were drawn (in metric) at 1/20, so it was simple to print them at 40% to give the desired size, and 1/50 is close enough to 1/48 to make it easy to scale all the myriad measurements I took in feet and inches for all the details of the layout and rig. Enough to begin with, I think. More to follow!
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Harriet McGregor by Boccherini
Tony Hunt replied to Boccherini's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
I can see that I really must buy myself a milling machine... 😃 -
Harriet McGregor by Boccherini
Tony Hunt replied to Boccherini's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
"It's not perfect, but I'm content with the finished product." So you should be! It looks really good. -
Roger, you're quite correct, I've bought plans from them and they were very helpful and reasonably priced. The full list of the collection can be seen at https://www.ssgreatbritain.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/david-macgregor-ship-plans-collection-july-2013.pdf there is a large amount of material on the clipper ship Thermopylae.
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There can't have been many warships with triple-gun turrets for the secondary armament. Very stylish!
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
Tony Hunt replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
A fascinating question Pat. Puzzles like this are part of what makes model building so interesting and instructive (in my opinion!). There are quite a few shots of RN vessels with these booms variously stowed or in use, so I thought I'd see if they showed what went on in other vessels. This one of HMS Sealark* (originally the yacht Consuelo built in 1878) is interesting, although she doesn't rig stun's'ls she has the lower boom rigged, presumably for use by her boats, but in its stowed position the after half of it clearly fouls the lifeboat hoisted above it. So perhaps they just knew how to get around it? This picture of HMS Dart shows a similar boom entirely underneath the lifeboat. *There is a much sharper copy of this picture at picture 132 in "The Royal Navy in Old Photographs" by W.P. Trotter.- 993 replies
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It's coming along really well Richard. Although it seems a bit more like ship-building than ship-modelling!
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Exciting! I'd love to see them!
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Hi Richard The go to for fine pins used to be entomology pins. They're stainless steel, come in a range of sizes. maybe even too fine for your purposes. When I last used them (decades ago) they had normal half-round heads like dressmaking pins, but looking on the internet now I see many of them have ceramic "blob" heads instead. However, it looks like there are still a few manufacturers of the old-school sort out there too.
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Stunningly detailed model of a handsome ship, and one of great interest to us Aussies. Fabulous!
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Diagonal planking (cold moulded) does make a really strong, light hull. My late father built some very large sailing models of iron-hulled square-riggers using the technique. The model in the picture below, the County of Inverness, is about three metres long and is double diagonal planked in NZ Kauri, over frames and longitudinal stringers.
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Dear Keith I am so saddened to read this terrible news. I can't even begin to imagine what you must be feeling. I trust that you will find the strength to come through this. My most heartfelt wishes to you and your family. Tony
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NAIAD 1797 by Bitao - 1:60
Tony Hunt replied to Bitao's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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They look really good Pat. So fiddly at that size! Great to see you back in production, too. 🙂- 993 replies
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NAIAD 1797 by Bitao - 1:60
Tony Hunt replied to Bitao's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
So beautiful!
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