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Nice work (as usual) Greg. Thanks for the feedback. cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Hi Grant, as promised. I have now done testing on two products and researched many more. The product I have currently settled on, but needs a little more testing is Technoflux. Another I will try is Kool Jool. Both of these are Jewellers soldering aids but I prefer Technoflux as it is water soluble (for cleaning afterwards). I have not tried with a flame/torch but that is what it was designed for. When using with a flame you need to put a fairly thick dab on apparently, so that would preclude its use in very small/fine work like I am currently doing. However, as I use resistance soldering, I am finding a smaller dabs on both sides of the worked joint (to be protected) is working fine. There is a fair bit of further testing to do using an electric iron etc, but I am deferring that for a while as I need to progress with the build, and the Technoflux, where needed, seems to do the job. I am also waiting to see if there is any longer-term corrosion issues, but I very much doubt it as Jewellers would not use it if it did - and they have used it for quite a while now.. There are a lot of thermal cooling/protection products that come up on a quick search, but closer investigation shows these are a usually a grease used to isolate and/or to conduct electrical computer chips (such as the CPU) and totally not suited to our use. A couple of other products that initially came up in the search lists were not water based and therefore harder to clean, and may have caused corrosion downstream. There is one product I am trying to find (but for some reason can no longer find) is used by welders and has a name something like Blue Cool. When I di find it some time ago it was only sold in very large volumes and needed to be applied quite liberally - so may not be suited. For the time being the Technoflux seems to be doing the job, so I will continue to use that; but, I will also trial the Kool Jool at some point. I got mine from Australian Jewellery Supplies (AJS). here is a link to the product Technoflux Cool Paste - 150gram - by GEMWORLD online store cheers, hope this helps? Pat- 993 replies
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Looks good Greg. How are you finding those SMS paints to use? What thinner do you use with it? I have tried Tamiya 400 and it seems to work okay. cheers Pat
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That wall looks great Glen. Now I see that I had the mistaken idea that the wall going to be inside also Pity the first attempt at the hollow didn't work, but knowing you, the solution will be elegant and no-one would have been the wiser if you hadn't told us. cheers Pat
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That's incredible work Ian; that appears to be a very effective mechanism. cheers Pat
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Looks great Glen, but you have me intrigued. How in the world will you get those larger pieces (such as the wall) into the bottle? cheers Pat
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Thanks Craig that is the shape I was looking for (that the fore edge wrapped up the front of the axle) - I know I have, or have seen, a version like that somewhere in my reference material - I will keep looking. The version I saw though, had the same thickness metal wrapped up the front rather than tapered as you show - either could be correct. cheers pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Hi Grant, sorry I missed your question. If you are OK with it, I'll get back to you once I am happy with one as I don't want to lead people astray if it doesn't work. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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As Keith has hinted, I think you made an editing error Glen - the penguin text was crossed out " Oh no, not the penguins, not the penguins!" Seriously though, that wall is coming along really nicely, are you going to do any weather and/or scum line etc? cheers Pat
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Unfortunately, they are the best resolution I have Allan. I can send the files I have, just in case MSW's file formatting changed the res, but I don't think they do that? Let me know if you still want them? In the meantime, I will make a crop of similar size as yours and try some of the image software I have to see if I can improve it. (Sorry Allan, I tried that, but the original is of very low resolution, and I cannot improve it enough to read the dimensions). Perhaps contacting them may allow you to get the dimensions or a better resolution copy? Another option may be to import the improved image of the gun (second image) that has a scale, into CAD, scale to get the image to proper dimensions, and then measure them? cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
I thought I should add some photos to also help explain how I go about the process. The first shows the tools I use for the metal forming part, which include a pair of pliers with serrated grip jaws, a couple of needle files, a small 0.5mm spade bit used in my mill (next photo), a jewellers type metal block (can't remember the name) but it allows me to hold tubes of various shapes at 90, 45 and 30 degrees and cut off small pieces to width, and the JB Tools grab handle making tool. The second shows the set-up with the band on the wood mandrel in the rotary indexing attachment for the Sherline mill. The last shows the band, which has now been drilled to indexed angles at 020, 100, 160, 200, 260 and 330 degrees, being held in my alligator jaws in a soldering station I have cobbled together (still being improved). cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Allan, I will have to search through my reference material again, but if I recall correctly the straps, or more correctly stays, are two metal brackets that were used to secure/support the axle which was morticed into the brackets. The strap (stay) replaced the lower washers for the brackets bolts that also served to secure the cap square on the upper side of the brackets. Note the bottom part was straight not curved and aligned with the squared part of the axle. (Edit) I found this which sort of explains the 'stay' a little better - I cannot recall at the moment where I found this but may be connected with the "USS Constitution". It is possibly from the Naval Historical Foundation. cheers Pat
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Agree with you about the securing - I did not note that the after pin did not penetrate the deck. However, I thought the bolt you drew looked OK based on the end of a forelocked bolt protruding from the inboard end? The artist may only have shown one as the other might have been obscured being in line? That way, two bolts passed from outboard through the bulwarks and forelocked with pins inboard would secure the head. Gary's model from the NMM does not show these, but the rest of the model fits the idea? I think that is the only way the fighting head could be secured? Other models of gun models I have seen also omit some details so I think another drawing would be useful to prove/disprove these bolts? cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Thanks Rob, appreciate the kind comment. I don't blame you for avoiding the soldering. (see following comment) Thanks Grant, appreciated. To be clear on the soldering, I use solder that has silver content rather than the full-on silver solder. These come in various melting points which allow me to place items close to each other without disturbing the earlier higher melting point joints where I do that (not in this case). The other big advantage, and relevant to Rob's comment, is that some time ago I invested in a resistance soldering unit (American Beauty) which allows much better control of where and how much heat you place. If it wasn't for this unit, I also think I would not attempt anything this small (especially with the shakes in my hands these days ). I am also starting to experiment with heat gel to protect some joints (heat sinks) but at this size a little difficult to place it properly. I find that dialling down the current of the solder unit to minimum, I can solder wire down to 0.2mm or so. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Allan, looking at that side view is it possible the bottom timber is a fighting head (I think that is the timber at the front of a carriage is called) which is locked in place with the shorter pin. The head would be hard up against the waterway/spirketting and then becomes the timber on which the slide proper would pivot using the longer pin? That way the whole assembly could be removed when required. In this configuration both pins could be on the same axis also? Just a thought. cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Good question Rob, and a good pick-up - thanks for keeping me honest . I should have been a little clearer in my descriptions. The fore and mainsail booms were about 3.5mm to 3.8mm ID; the Driver boom is only 2.8mm (in my haste I left the decimal out) - BUT it is frustrating and very fiddly trying to get those fitting on. That particular band is testing my patience at the moment . The eyes and ears are made from 0.3mm brass wire for the Driver band, and 0.5mm wire for the former ones - BTW the ear's ID is only 1.5mm long with less than 1mm gap. My description was intended more for the Driver boom spiderband, as I need to make that one the same way for them all to look alike. I was simply trying to point out the risks in 'fixing/making' the bands using the drilling method. I learned this through some major frustration in having to remake the jibboom a few times as I tried that at 3.25mm and it kept breaking - hence my reluctance. Sorry for any confusion folks. The way I make them is:- I find the nearest size (ID) thin-wall brass tube under the circumference of the boom at the fitting point then stretch it to size to thin the wall further. I thin fit it to a wood dowel mandrel to hold it while I put it in my mill holding the mandrel in the chuck of my horizontal indexing tool. I then drill the holes using a 0.5mm micro spade type drill bit (which I found in England) at the appropriate spacing. I bend the ears using a JB Tools tool (used for making grab handles etc in trains and tanks etc) at the appropriate size to form 'U' shaped ears that I then manipulate (to get the appropriate leg angles) and with a LOT of frustration eventually get them to sit in their holes (that's why there are pliers grip marks on them). The eyes are twisted using very thin diameter brass wire and placed in their holes. I then apply the flux and solder chips and solder all in one go. The inner dag ends are then cut away and/or filed to smooth and clean the inside of the band. Hopefully this clarifies the situation a little? cheers Pat- 993 replies
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Thanks for looking in Glen and Keith, I very much appreciate your supportive comments. It's actually good to be getting back into it Keith. One benefit of the slow down though is that I have been able to refine some of the research. Whereas I initially believed the spiderbands to be located at the Given Diameter (GD), or hance, of the boom, it eventually proved to be located much further out. If I had rushed in and glued them in situ at the GD, I would have had to remake the booms (for a third time ) cheers Pat- 993 replies
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
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Thanks for looking in and suggestions Rob, much appreciated. I did the former. After placing the eyes and the 'ears', I soldered everything in one go, then cleaned out the excess by grinding and filing. I had to be careful there as in my test piece I was little excessive and filed some corrugations into the band by thinning the edges too much. I couldn't use the second method you suggested as the boom is less than 2mm at this point and drilling four holes will probably have broken the boom at that point. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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