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Hi Rob, Clipper and others involved - your discussion re the bell had me intrigued and I had to look back several times to find the photo. Sorry to reopen the 'wrung discussion'. A bell abaft the foremast is not unusual - fog bell which was usually the ship's bell, and a smaller 'watch' bell was sometimes fitted near the conning position (usually near the binnacle, but sometimes abaft the mizen mast). The height is a bit odd, although it would depend on where the fore lifebuoy sentry would be stationed as he probably also had responsibility for sounding the bell in fog? So the height would be such that he had easy access to it. However, while at first look I also thought it was a bell, if you look at what might be a linear shadow on the bell running oblique and to the left aft, the angle is all wrong when viewed with other shadows, and to my eye appears to sharply defined to be a shadow. It also appears wrongly placed to be a bright reflection. Could that dark area be a gap between block sides? The general shape appears to me that it could be the front and back face of a 'monkey' block, with possibly a darker line running away upward at an angle almost in line with the linear shadow, from the top lug/eye (where the bell crown/fitting point would be)? I may be seeing things but might be worth another look? cheers Pat -
Dave, that is a very effective and good looking display stand that mirrors some of the build components. cheers Pat
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Really nice work on this build Richard; sorry for being a bit of a 'looker on' for so long. I have enjoyed following without making a comment. I managed to shave some nice 'kid' leather down for use at scale 1:64 so you should be OK if you tried? cheers Pat
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Better to catch and fix it now mate; looking really good! Some excellent relief decoration on the after castle. cheers Pat
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That last full length top view of her really shows the quality of your build Keith; that is some extraordinary detail you have included. A feast for the eyes! cheers Pat
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Really nice job on those boat covers Rob, very realistic. cheers Pat
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Love that birds-eye maple Dave; it will really look nice with a finish on it. cheers Pat
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Hi Rob, that weathering looks great (very effective) - sorry to have not recognised your skills. Thanks also Clipper for your post. This is perhaps something I should look into, really brings the hull to life. cheers Pat
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GoS is looking really good Rob, you're making remarkably fast progress. I like the 'probably unintentional' wear and tear on the black hull - are you repainting/cleaning or leaving it like that? cheers Pat
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Looks good Steven, those levers look so much better tapered. What is it with you and castles? cheers Pat
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Welcome back Eberhard; hopefully you had a great vacation. The paint work is looking grand! I look forward to the finished job with light weathering etc applied. cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Welcome to my build log Ras; it is a bit of slow progress at the moment while I continue to try and develop/sort-out the rigging plan. John, in re-reading your comment I think I misinterpreted - while the blocks were single, there is nothing to suggest they were not rigged double (which was the first way I was going). I may have found a lead which I am teasing out at the moment that these may have indeed been rigged double (a heavier guntackle with runner and lead block on one side, and a lighter guntackle or double whip on the other side). This arrangement would then fall into the guidance of the heavier (slower to use but more mechanical advantage) for when only one watch is on deck, and the lighter but faster to work tackle on the other when all hands were available. Thanks again for your suggestions. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Just found your build Ras; a very interesting build subject. You're making good progress with it and should look great when complete. I had to make the same pumps and suction plate for my build of HMCSS Victoria (1855), and used PE for the plates, but turned the pumps on my lathe - mine start at post #326 in my log Look forward to seeing your pumps. cheers Pat
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I agree with Wefalck's assessment in it being a rail. If it is britannia (wite/soft) metal I would replace it with a wood one. This would then need several roughtree (rising) timbers with the cap rail sitting on them. You're making good progress. cheers Pat
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Wow, what an update Brian - some significant, and well executed, progress there. A very nicely detailed model; it is a joy to follow the build. cheers Pat
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If your build is based on a kit and you are making changes (called 'kit bashing') put it in the kit builds. I did something similar with my Endeavour to learn the skills - I based it on the AL hull, but scratch built all the furniture, masts and rigging (bashed it :)). Not only is this a great way to improve your building skills, you end up with a far better model. That way, as has been suggested by the other members, you can get rid of the horrid soft (White/Britannia) metal and make it more scale appropriate. Apart from some model ship accessory/part suppliers, a couple of other sources to try for scaled timber (unless you have the tools/capacity to mill it yourself) are doll house suppliers and the railroad community. Good luck, and look forward to seeing your log. Pat
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Keith, your metal smithing skills and clever solutions for making 'things' never cease to amaze. cheers Pat
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Watch bill, Station Bill, and Routine, for a 50 gun Frigate, etc
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Thanks for that document Bruce, quite pertinent to my build. I will have a thorough read of this as the Sail/Rigging section seems to have quite a bit of detail. cheers Pat- 1 reply
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Not sure mate. I am about to step out, but I did take a long distance shot of the Bremen Cog recreation/replica - the Bremerhaven ship museum has been very helpful whenever I have contacted them - they may have some info? I will send the distant shot (which is probably not helpful) when I can lay my hands on it. cheers Pat
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Lovely work Rob, I am really enjoying following this build. For my education, re the dental tools you show in a post on the previous page (laying on the deck houses) - are they rounded picks or scrapers? I had an excellent double ended scraper tool (probably not the right name - but had paddle ends rather than points and were angled and seemed to have a sharp and a dull edge), but it broke under my over enthusiastic use . It was an excellent tool and I have been unable to find a suitable replacement. cheers Pat
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Great progress Steven, starting to look like a very nice vessel. Just for interest, would a cog style mast also be viable? cheers Pat
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Hi John, I think all of the halliards were made-up as single tackles (gun tackles plus whips) as ONLY single blocks (the 4 x 10" and 2 x 9") are listed which prevents the make-up of a luff etc. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Rob, I had a closer read of your suggestion also, and I think a 'split tail' chain tye may not been practical; however, your wording provided another suggestion to contemplate. I have been trying to determine whether a winch or the halliards were the only two options, but perhaps there was a third - the rigging arrangement used both? If the gin blocks are rigged as a 'Spanish burton', John's suggestion of a running halliard (similar to La Stag's running backstay arrangement) may have been a possibility. If the primary halliard made up with the 10" blocks (rigged in a conventional way) but with a runner whip) utilising the fourth 10" block in the working end (fall), then the 9" blocks would have formed the halliard runner being seized to the tail of the primary halliard's flying block with a short pendant or strop. One possible way of working this smaller halliard's working end of the fall is to take it to a winch rather than work it manually? While this is not how these winches were intended to be used (the winch replaced the tackle in the halliard) - it does utilise all fittings and rigging listed in the Rigging Warrant and the Specification - and would have allowed the topsail yard to be raised and lowered with very minimal numbers and effort due to the large mechanical advantage gained (noting that Victoria was minimum manned). Edit: This arrangement would have utilised the lighter halliard and winch when only a single watch was on deck, and both halliards when all hands were on deck. Using both halliards together would allow the yard to be hoisted or lowered much faster - although it should be remembered that in action, chain 'battle' slings' were fitted to the bunt of the fore topsail yard. However, in heavier/stormy weather, where controlling the yard more quickly was important, this additional speed will have been beneficial. Thoughts? cheers Pat- 993 replies
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
BANYAN replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Thanks again John. You got me very excited there for a moment, but ... If I am interpreting the image correctly, it appears as if there are only 5 blocks used? That is, a conventional purchase (pendant with purchase), then a short pendant seized to the tail of the fly block and a smaller purchase rigged to that? Unfortunately, there were 6 blocks listed (4 x 10" and 2 x 9" (all single). I did consider a 'lead block', but then why would one purchase have a lead block and not the other? Otherwise, this arrangement would work Edit 1: Although, perhaps a runner (whip) attached to the fall of the primary halliard? Edit 2: Another idea is that a single light purchase with pendant, using the 9" blocks was the primary halliard (used if all hands are on deck) - that is with the gin blocks also rigged in a Spanish burton configuration. Then, if only one watch is on deck, two halliards, formed from the 10" blocks, would be hooked on and used instead (but no hooks are listed) ? This seems a little impractical though as the authors whom suggest this arrangement (a light and a heavy halliard), state that both halliards would be used together and that they were permanently rigged. cheers Pat- 993 replies
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Thanks Bob, another great idea - better than those 'contour' devices. cheers Pat
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