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  1. BANYAN
    Thanks for that document Bruce, quite pertinent to my build. I will have a thorough read of this as the Sail/Rigging section seems to have quite a bit of detail. cheers Pat
  2. BANYAN
    Not sure mate. I am about to step out, but I did take a long distance shot of the Bremen Cog recreation/replica - the Bremerhaven ship museum has been very helpful whenever I have contacted them - they may have some info? I will send the distant shot (which is probably not helpful) when I can lay my hands on it. cheers Pat
  3. BANYAN
    Lovely work Rob, I am really enjoying following this build. For my education, re the dental tools you show in a post on the previous page (laying on the deck houses) - are they rounded picks or scrapers? I had an excellent double ended scraper tool (probably not the right name - but had paddle ends rather than points and were angled and seemed to have a sharp and a dull edge), but it broke under my over enthusiastic use . It was an excellent tool and I have been unable to find a suitable replacement. cheers Pat
  4. BANYAN
    Great progress Steven, starting to look like a very nice vessel. Just for interest, would a cog style mast also be viable? cheers Pat
  5. BANYAN
    Hi John, I think all of the halliards were made-up as single tackles (gun tackles plus whips) as ONLY single blocks (the 4 x 10" and 2 x 9") are listed which prevents the make-up of a luff etc. cheers Pat
  6. BANYAN
    Rob, I had a closer read of your suggestion also, and I think a 'split tail' chain tye may not been practical; however, your wording provided another suggestion to contemplate. I have been trying to determine whether a winch or the halliards were the only two options, but perhaps there was a third - the rigging arrangement used both? If the gin blocks are rigged as a 'Spanish burton', John's suggestion of a running halliard (similar to La Stag's running backstay arrangement) may have been a possibility. If the primary halliard made up with the 10" blocks (rigged in a conventional way) but with a runner whip) utilising the fourth 10" block in the working end (fall), then the 9" blocks would have formed the halliard runner being seized to the tail of the primary halliard's flying block with a short pendant or strop. One possible way of working this smaller halliard's working end of the fall is to take it to a winch rather than work it manually? While this is not how these winches were intended to be used (the winch replaced the tackle in the halliard) - it does utilise all fittings and rigging listed in the Rigging Warrant and the Specification - and would have allowed the topsail yard to be raised and lowered with very minimal numbers and effort due to the large mechanical advantage gained (noting that Victoria was minimum manned). Edit: This arrangement would have utilised the lighter halliard and winch when only a single watch was on deck, and both halliards when all hands were on deck. Using both halliards together would allow the yard to be hoisted or lowered much faster - although it should be remembered that in action, chain 'battle' slings' were fitted to the bunt of the fore topsail yard. However, in heavier/stormy weather, where controlling the yard more quickly was important, this additional speed will have been beneficial. Thoughts? cheers Pat
  7. BANYAN
    Thanks again John. You got me very excited there for a moment, but ... If I am interpreting the image correctly, it appears as if there are only 5 blocks used? That is, a conventional purchase (pendant with purchase), then a short pendant seized to the tail of the fly block and a smaller purchase rigged to that? Unfortunately, there were 6 blocks listed (4 x 10" and 2 x 9" (all single). I did consider a 'lead block', but then why would one purchase have a lead block and not the other? Otherwise, this arrangement would work Edit 1: Although, perhaps a runner (whip) attached to the fall of the primary halliard? Edit 2: Another idea is that a single light purchase with pendant, using the 9" blocks was the primary halliard (used if all hands are on deck) - that is with the gin blocks also rigged in a Spanish burton configuration. Then, if only one watch is on deck, two halliards, formed from the 10" blocks, would be hooked on and used instead (but no hooks are listed) ? This seems a little impractical though as the authors whom suggest this arrangement (a light and a heavy halliard), state that both halliards would be used together and that they were permanently rigged. cheers Pat
  8. BANYAN
    Thanks Bob, another great idea - better than those 'contour' devices. cheers Pat
  9. BANYAN
    John, having looked at your idea of a Spanish Burton, which I had not even considered, if all three blocks are used this would work if a 'purchase winch' was used. However, the Rigging Warrant lists 4 x 10" and 2 x 9" SINGLE blocks, which suggests two guntackle purchases, with perhaps each being tailed with a runner (whip)? Here is a workable configuration for a 'Spanish burton' arrangement for the gin blocks (which will have alternated between Port and Stbd for the fore and main masts). Still need to bite the bullet and go by the Rigging Warrant listing or by the Contract Specification - the correspondence is silent on this, and unfortunately the imagery does not show either configuration. The following (and previous post) is looking from the front. Thanks again John Pat
  10. BANYAN
    All possibilities guys; thanks for looking in and the suggestions. This is the problem I am facing - with no description by any author that uses all of the listed (Rigging Warrant) items in a conventional arrangement, it is proving difficult to identify the rigging configuration. I am simply trying to find a practical way of setting it up. I will look into your idea of a Spanish burton John. Rob, that is a variation on what one of the authors offers where a luff was set-up to one side and a guntackle to the other so that when all hands were on deck, the guntackle could be used, and if only one watch on deck, then the luff was used - BUT, this required only a single gin block. I will relook at the variation you propose though. cheers Pat
  11. BANYAN
    This model is coming along beautifully Rob, some lovely detail. cheers Pat
  12. BANYAN
    Thanks for sharing Mark; possibly one of the very few good things to come from a drought. Hopefully, someone will record it. cheers Pat
  13. BANYAN
    Thanks, I had seen this technique before and promptly had forgotten it. cheers Pat
  14. BANYAN
    Thanks Tony, yep the 'purchases' or halliards as they were correctly termed are a separate problem. The listed blocks (4 x 10" and 2 x 9") are 'single' so the only arrangement can be for them to be made up as 'gun tackles' with a a runner (whip). As they are listed with 'travellers' (long strops attached to the fly block) which ran up-and-down the topmast backstay, they had to be set-up with the standing blocks in the channels. This meant they were not 'up-and down' tackles but oblique to the direction of effort - very unusual arrangement? I really would like to find another example of this arrangement described by a contemporary (Kipping, Nares, Luce etc) or more modern author (such as Underhill, Harland etc) - unfortunately they all describe permutations of the more common single 'pendant with purchase'; or double purchase (one as a luff, the other a gun tackle). cheers Pat
  15. BANYAN
    Hi guys, a small bit of progress - see below a piccy of the PE for the tops - the fold line will enable me to create the angle-iron trestrees and the after ends of the rim for the 'D" fore rims. I will need to attach the rest of the rim front, and drill out for the various eyebolts (start holes already etched). I am also back to the Tyes and Purchases/Halliards again. Having progressed to other things, I revisited this and realised I had got it all wrong and need to sort out the topsail tyes again. Here is the predicament - the Specification called for the fitting of Purchase winches for the topsail yard. The correspondence from the ship build superintendent (that I have been able to access so far) is silent on them. As this person was very detailed and informative in his very regular reports, it is unlikely he will have neglected to inform if these had been omitted. The Rigging Warrant does not mention them but does offer a very complex arrangement that does not align with the arrangements described by any of the contemporary or more modern authors consulted. The Rigging Warrant lists the tye for the fore topsail as 68’ of 9/16” chain with “Gin on Yard and 2 Hanging Gins Iron”. It also lists a halliard associated with the fore topsail tye, made up from 27 fathoms of 2½” hemp rope, associated with four 10”, and two 9” single blocks, and two travellers under the ‘Thimbles’ column. The only way such a list of items could be configured (as far as I can determine) is for the gins to set up as shown in the following image (I drew up in CAD). The tails of the chain have long links for the associated halliards. As two traveller thimbles + 4 by singles blocks suggests two separate halliards. Halliards were normally a pendant set-up to the port channel (for the foremast) and the purchase to starboard. The only arrangement I can determine here is that two separate up-and-down halliards with a runner (whip) was used? Any other ideas guys? cheers Pat
  16. BANYAN
    Couldn't agree more Tony, makes my build feel slower than snail pace; but Steven also maintains quality. cheers Pat
  17. BANYAN
    A great method for making these Keith. They look great. cheers Pat
  18. BANYAN
    Great diorama Greg, love the 'dhoby' (laundry items) Some seriously nice work in this one. cheers Pat
  19. BANYAN
    Welcome Mark; look forward to seeing this build. As a 'starter' a cross-section that includes planking, at least one gun, a mast etc will help you develop the necessary skills. There are many fine examples of these in the forums. cheers Pat
  20. BANYAN
    Thanks for the offer Clipper, the photo is fine for my needs. I have to agree, keeping up with that pair is difficult cheers Pat
  21. BANYAN
    Clipper, those are some truly nice drawings you are producing and will add to the collective understanding of the ship. Great photo also, I store that one away, is it one of yours? Rob, the model is coming on very nicely; you're adding some really nice detail. cheers Pat
  22. BANYAN
    Classy work mate; looks good! cheers Pat
  23. BANYAN
    Looks great Rob, a really nice job. WRT the the colour on the bottom, this was more to hide the build up of grime etc (from swabin' the decks etc) rather than hide an woodwork etc. As such they tended to be a darker colour to achieve this. cheers Pat
  24. BANYAN
    It's great to have you back Keith; missed your regular updates. As Eberhard has said, your mastery of these technically challenging pieces is a delight to follow. She is looking great! cheers Pat
  25. BANYAN
    Sandra, the first of the items is (in English) called a 'Traversing Board'. They were used as a form of 'dead reckoning' navigation by recording the direction and speed run during a period of time, or at time of course alteration. The usual practice (as far as I have determined) was to record the course and speed (by log or estimation) each turn of the glass (about a half hour). This would allow a 'dead reckoned position to be determined from the last fix. Can't help with the second. cheers Pat

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