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Roter Löwe 1597 by Ondras71
Barbossa replied to Ondras71's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Hi Ondras, Outstanding job on the deck. I understand you used maple strips. Do they allow a clean cut when you need to narrow them? As I'm looking for alternatives for boxwood but nonetheless good quality. -
Very nice. Your buildlog is both a source of insipration and a benchmark for my own project, certainly when it comes to the finishing touch.
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Thank you very much, Johann If I were to reach your level of shipbuilding (which I seriously doubt), for me this would be a long way to go, I'm afraid. Also thanks for all the likes : this may sound funny but now matter how this project will evolve, building a proper hull without the usual kit support is already an achievement for me. Finished the wales at both sides but as I haven't made my mind up about what color of paint I should apply starting from the wales to the waterline : - white = aesthetical very nice or -black = historical more correct according to most French ships, I decided to make some drafts to prepare the quarterdeck galleries and as I got along I found out the difference between the 2-dimensional plans and the 3D reality. However everything fits (until further notice, off course). As there's some curves and different shapes involved here : therefore the windows are slightly wider on the upper side compared to the under side. However, these are only drafts. Before I forget : the gaps between the blue painted planks are made in anticipation for some decoration strips
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Hi Giampiero This is one of my favorite frigates , I'll follow this build with great interest. First pictures obviously show this is far beyond my skills, I have no trouble in admitting.
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Update related to the wales and so : Added a belt made of extra 0,5 x 4mm walnut strips + sanding with grit 400 sanding paper. As highlighted you may notice some space between the belt and the piece that covers the bow section + first gunport (see previous posts). It allowed me a nice transition between the yellow gunport area and the black belt as I used 0,5x2mm pre-painted strips to cover this. The black paint was purchased in a DIY-store ( Hobbyrama for the curious, but meanwhile the local shop went out of business for reasons not related to Covid-19 ). So no AV-paints involved here. Although totally (from historical point of view) erroneous I personally find the approach with the white paint below the wales quite appealing. I know most of the French ships had everything painted in black instead of white (see last pic) in this area. I'll have to make my mind up about the matter.
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Hi Patrick, wonderful work indeed and bring on the sausages and the skewers as already suggested . Is this piece of art to be covered , thus hidden forever ?
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Many thanks Edward, I appreciate the historical input Thus a brief retrospective update : why the yellow painting ? I notice there is much a do about the use ( dare I say upgrade? ) of boxwood in kits. In addition, I have no clue about the availability of this item ( I mean boxwood strips 1x4 mm or 1x5mm )in the UK but I'm afraid it seems rather hard to find in the old continent. I had a stock of yellow wood of which I didn't even know if the coloring was natural, that I used in my previous build. But : 1) I wanted something different 2) It's obvious in the pic : compared to a 1x4 mm plank the yellow planks seem a bit out of scale 3) also compared to my stock of lime the cut was anything but clean
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Many thanks for your input Mark But as often, one answer brings on another question, can we assume that french ships in general were built lighter than their british opponents ? Back to my previous post related to the strange pattern between 1st and second gunport My first pic : what tell my plans ? I deviated a bit and made one piece ( second pic). My painting skills are average so I went for this option as it allowed me to cover one single surface decently in black color. Second : Instead of a flat line on the side, i went for a small curve, which made the hole thing a bit more elegant. The lines suggest different planks. Yes one might call this cheating but I can live with it. Finished inserting grey strips between yellow painted planks.( one side) I'm happy with the result as this shifts the focus from the yellow to the separation of the planks which was my intention. With some blue above and more black beneath the gunports + decent copper plates... must say I have some expectations reagerding the color scheme.
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Wonderful work (as always) Patrick, thanks for sharing as you introduce me in shipbuilding from the (end of)16th century.
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Hi Patrick, Thanks for looking in and resolving this mistery. Although this may sound logic, I was wondering why we notice this feature ( mostly ) on french vessels only such as : La Belle Polue (1765 ), L'Hermione, also on many pics I found on the internet related to La Venus.... Thank you, all fine people, for the likes and showing interest
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hello, an update just to introduce you to a new friend of mine : a (brand new) hand drill tool and this new purchase already proved to be very useful Now move on to another topic : The difference between french frigates and their british counterparts ( at least in the 18th century ) While executing some research on the internet I noticed the absence of a distinctive wale belt (most french frigates) Beneath the gunports, the wale area seems to continue unto the waterline Furthermore, towards the bow area, the firt gunport is also covered and separated from the second one by some kind of strange pattern ( see pics). Things to bear in my mind. Now finished working on the inner (visible) bulwarks and fored 4 holes for rigiing the guns in a far future. This area is to be painted in red. Also painted the outside bulwarks ( AV golden yellow 70.948 ), you may also notice the fored holes. I gues these are to receive a kind of bolts. ( see pics ) As mentioned in previous posts, planks were a bit separated : this allowed me to insert grey paper.
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Welcome back Jean-Pierre. Looking forward to this resumption and accordingly, the photo's.
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Hi G.L. : Thanks for the immediate answer, much appreciated. The reason of my inquiry : the weight of the display could be an issue for my completed previous build.
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Truly wonderful and inspiring work, G.L. Can I ask a question about the display case ? I may have overlooked, but are you using genuine glass or plexi glass ? In either case how thick are the blades ? Regarding the plexi variant, I was recommended by a manufacturer a minimal thickness of 6 mm ( provided the length = 1,2 m and 1 m high )
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Thanks Patrick and thanks everybody for the likes and showing interest. Just removed the reinforcements on top of the bulkheads. It's already a different sight ! Added other reinforcements to secure the inner structure. This will be covered by forecastle and quarterdeck and might help to obtain the correct camber. Inner bulkheads are to receive 1x4 mm strips, making the preparations ( = clean up the mess )
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Part 2 You may notice some gaps between the planks in the fourth pic : this is in anticipation for the decoration strips
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Hello, another small update (part 1 ) Tried to imitate the pattern of the bow, at least the part above the waterline. Although the bow is to be painted in black, still I'd like to distinguish the different components the bow was made of. Please, pay no attention to different types of wood under the waterline : this area is to be coppered anayway The rest of the pics show it's present status.
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Sincere congrats At the beginning of this wonderful hobby I was "a big ship many guns"-addict. But this definitely whets my appetite for smaller ships ( in the future )
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Stunning work and a pleasure to follow your progress. Reminds me a documentary about Guédelon castle where craftsmen are using the building techniques and tools way back then.
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Beatiful Collection, indeed I like the diversity ( type of ships vs. period of ships )
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Hi Patrick. Great work and a pleasure to follow the progress. About the plastic spars : the minimal tension while rigging your ship would probably deform them anyway.
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Continuation.
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Hello, Still busy with the planking process but I'm enjoying this. Looking at the pics, you will notice the planks are slightly separated. I'll come to this later on. Also, everything under the waterline is to be covered by coppertiles which I purchased through Victory-Amati. So don't you worry about me using different types of wood in this area. Must admit -as far as I'm trying to finishing the hull with the best of my abilities and according to the plans- the hull describes funny, dare I say awkward curves, especially when I reach the bow area. But as I mentioned, the "flaws" will be covered with copper, so no harm done so far. Another 5 pics are to follow this post
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Hi Rob, the contrast between the pale wooden strips and the black parts in the crosstrees is pleasant to the eye. A very good idea.
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