Patrick Haw
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Hi Nick, Very impressive work on your barge. It's a beautiful little model in its own right. Good job! Patrick
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The rehab of the botched waterline has moved ahead slowly, but I now have the lower wales on and painted and I just put on a new styrene waterline in the right place! I think it worked out pretty well and I'm happy with the fix. Now back to coppering up to the new waterline...and I thought I was done! I have enough copper plates to get started and new ones are on the way from Cornwall Model Boats. Patrick
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It was on October 13th, 1805 when Agamemnon joined Nelson's fleet blockading Cadiz that Nelson, upon seeing his old comand (now commanded by Sir Edward Berry) proclaimed "Here comes that damned fool Berry! Now we shall have a battle!" Patrick
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Fantastic Sjors! Congratulations on getting a very fine kit to build. I will be watching closely and enjoying. Enjoy your build! Patrick
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Kevin, Yep, it was my mistake in not doing the wales first and I'm paying for it! Oh well. So after I've done the clean up the lower wales will go on to give me a waterline mark, then I can re-copper to the new waterline. Good thing is I'm not in a race and time spent in the workshop is enjoyable no matter what part of the ship I'm doing...or re-doing! I had mostly used contact cement for the copper so the residue comes off fairly easily with acetone. For the small copper pieces at the waterline I had used CA so that clean up is a bit more difficult, but it's coming along ok. When I finished the coppering first time around I polished it up and then sprayed on two coats of satin finish polyurethane. That comes off pretty easily with acetone too and if necessary I'm happy to take it all off and re-spray once I've finished with the new coppering. Patrick
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The great waterline rehabilitation project begins. Heartbreaking to have to remove so many tiles, especially all the ones with the difficult cuts at the old waterline, but must be done. Some of them were very hard to take off and there's a lot of clean up and sanding to do before I can put on the new waterline. I'm going to have to order more copper plates too, so I'll have enough to do this project and do the rudder too. Will update on the progress of this particular project. Patrick
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Looking very good Derek, well done. Glad I'm not the only one experiencing the "tear it off and do it again" syndrome right now! I think I agree with you about doing the shrouds first and then tackling the bowsprit rigging...I know I'd probably destroy the bowsprit while rigging the shrouds! Patrick
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David, Thank you. I already started taking off the styrene waterline. Not easy as it's glued on bloody well! But I agree it will be necessary to take off the top plates of the existing waterline and then build them up to the new waterline. Not a huge effort, but I thought i was done with copper plates! It'd be easy to throw on a line of copper plates parallel to the water line but it would destroy the "sweep" of the coppering lines and look like a quick fix and I wouldn't be happy. So back to tearing stuff off and fixing it. Nobody said this would be easy! Patrick
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While I'm figuring out what to do about this latest challenge. here a some more better pictures of the coppering, taken outside and I after applying the first of several coats of yellow ochre. When I got done with the coppering I noticed that much of it was tarnishing quite badly, so I got some rinseable copper polish, polished the whole thing up nright and shiny, then sprayed on a couple of coats of satin finish clear polyurethane. I like the finish. Patrick
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Thanks Sjors. I realize now that if I'd have put the wales on before marking the waterline I wouldn't have this problem, but I didn't so now have to work out a solution. Oh well, just another challenge!
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Been a long time since I posted, so here goes. I started coppering the starboard side at the beginning of August and with summer getting in the way, taking a couple of weeks off from the shipyard, family visits etc., it took me all of August to finish the coppering. But it's done...or so I thought. I went to measure the placement of the lower wale and found that my waterline is too low down on the hull. I don't know how this happened. Measured up from the keel it's at the right height at bow, stern and midships. Measured down from the bow, the waterline is at the exact right position. Measured down from the break at the quarter deck and the break at the focsle, it's at the right height. But measuring down from the the lower deck gunports to position the lower wale, it's about 5 mm too low and the top of the main wale won't intersect the gunports at the right positions. What happened, and how do I fix this? One fix would be to take off the styrene waterline strip and add a row of copper plates above the existing waterline. This would let the bottom of the main wale sit properly across the lower gun ports. I need sit sit and think this through. Any suggestions are welcome! Patrick
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Fantastic work Jerry. You really are moving along and she looks great. I just finally finished my coppering...summer and other things got in the way, so it took me two months working off and on. Just need to do some clean up and then I'll post some pics. Builds like yours are what keep me pushing on and are a joy to follow. Patrick
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Dan, I have spent the last few hours poring over your build (and I'm still only on Page 8). Your work is truly amazing and a joy to follow. Model builders like you are an inspiration to those of us who glue our fingers together more often than pieces of wood! Thank you for sharing this magnificent build! Patrick
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Protecting Copper
Patrick Haw replied to Patrick Haw's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks for your responses everyone. You've got me thinking that maybe I will just leave the copper alone and let it age gracefully! Thanks again Patrick -
I'm well into coppering my Caldercraft HMS Victory, the port side is finished and I'm about 1/3 of the way through coppering the starboard side. I just looked at the finished port side, which I started coppering almost 4 weeks ago and already the copper plates are tarnishing, changing color and loosing their shine. I know that a ship's coppering did this naturally, but I don't like it and want the copper to retain its color and shine. I build in my workshop in my garage and it's the height of summer in Maryland - very hot and very humid for those not familiar. I have the air conditioning on in there while I'm working but the ship sits for 18+ hours a day in a humid environment which is probably contributing to the effects on the copper. I have some good copper polish and was thinking I could polish the copper back to its original shine and then apply some sort of lacquer or protective finish over it to prevent discoloration. The question is what sort of protective finish to use. Does anyone have experience with applying a protective coating on copper? Thanks Patrick
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Nick, Just found your build log and so glad I did. Fantastic work, a real inspiration to those of us who are at the earlier stages of our builds. Thanks for sharing it with us. Patrick
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Hello Nick, and welcome to the Victory builders community here at MSW. Your build is very impressive and I'm glad you're back in the shipyard with her. I'm looking forward to following your build. All the Victory builders here who are much more advanced in their builds than I am at this point are my inspiration, so keep on going! Patrick
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Well in that case Kevin, at the risk of overwhelming you, here's a few more Geoff Hunt paintings with lots of stunsails! Seems that mostly stunsails were set on one side or the other when running downwind, unless the ship had a perfect tail wind in which case they could set them both sides, aloft and alow! First is the cover artwork from Patrick O'Brian's "The Commodore". Next is detail from "HMS Agamemnon". Then "Mediterranean Deployment - USS Decatur leading USS Ontario, 1815". Finally "The Heavyweight Punch", depicting HMS Victory (100), HMS Temeraire (98) and HMS Neptune (98) approaching the line at Trafalgar. I love Geoff Hunt's work and attended a lecture he gave in Portsmouth about 10 years ago and got him to sign my three prints of his. He usually tries to frame his pictures from the viewpoint of someone sitting in a small boat, looking at the ship or ships in the painting. Patrick
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Kevin, Three pictures for you with the Victory with stunsails set. First is "Victory on the Atlantic Chase" by Geoff Hunt. Next is "Victory and Squadron in Light Airs", also by Geoff Hunt (I have this one, signed by the artist). Last is "Victory- On the Way to Glory" by Tim Thompson. Geoff Hunt's paintings are remarkable for historical accuracy. I'm not so sure about Tim Thompson's! Look at all them stunsails! Patrick
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Hi Grant, Your work and attention to detail are astounding. Well done on producing your blocks, they will really add to the finished model immensely. While I don't have anywhere near the skill you have, you have convinced me to buy the blocks for my Victory from Chuck...a long, long time until I need them though! Keep up the great work, you're an inspiration to other Victory builders. Patrick
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Thanks David, Kevin, Sjors and Grant. Wow, you guys were right, the other side is a doddle. Just started today and I'm nearly finished! Patrick
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The Coppering Diaries (cont) It's 3 weeks to the day since I began coppering and today I finished the port side...yay!!! I figure that I worked on the ship for about 17 of the last 21 days, on average about 3.5 hours per day (some more, some less), so it's about 60 hours of work. Lots of trial, lots of errors, lots of ripping off copper plates and redoing them, lots of cutting plates to fit the awkward bits, cutting them again, and again until they were reasonably alright. All in all I'm very happy with the result for first time coppering. Just received an additional 500 copper plates from Cornwall Model Boats, so I should be good to finish. I took some photos in the workshop and then took the ship outside for the first time for some pics in natural light. I just turned the ship around on the workbench, exposing the smooth, naked starboard side...oh crap! See you in another three weeks! Patrick
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Hi Rosmarie. Fantastic to see you here again...it's been 3 months. Your Revenge looks really good, and your World War 1 aircraft are just amazing. Now, get back to work on Victory! Best wishes, Patrick
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Happy Birthday David! Your figurehead looks really good. Now it's time to get out the rigging thread! Patrick
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