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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Canute in Remington Industries   
    And around the base of the toilet bowl. We kidded a buddy of mine no end back in those days. His wife had the whole bathroom covered in plush from the carpet to the matching plush toilet seat and tank covers and she made him and any friends he brought home sit down to use the john so not a drop would defile her precious "fuzzy" bathroom. He was the butt of a lot of "squatting to pee" jokes, for sure!  
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from dvm27 in Remington Industries   
    Good question. As I noted with respect to using the saw instead of some other cutting method, "This shape of the cut ends becomes less of an issue as the wire becomes thinner, of course, but still makes a difference even with very fine wire because it promotes a neater solder joint which will require less finish cleanup of the soldered joints, if not eliminate that task entirely."
     
    Diamond coated saw blades are available in four grits, but they have a relatively wide kerf. The narrowest is 1.2mm. They are used for cutting glass, ceramics, stone, and resin composites. Conventional jewelers' saw blades generally are readily available in sizes 8/0 which is 0.15mm (0.0063") thick by 0.33mm (0.0126") wide with 34 teeth per cm (84 TPI) through #8 which is 0.50mm (0.0197") thick by 1.14mm (0.0440") wide with 28 TPI.  As with jig and coping saw blades, jeweler's saw blades come in a wide variety of teeth styles and blade hardness. You can buy blades with rounded back edges to facilitate making turning cuts and blades with skip-teeth and blades that are lubricated and blades that are unlubricated. (Blade lubrication is required.) There are even "mono-tooth" jeweler's saw blades which present a continuous spiraled cutting edge to the work rather than a toothed edge.
     
    While I have never done "research testing" on sawing very fine wire, it would seem to me to be little different than sawing thicker gauge wire with the same technique. Actually, the rule for jeweler's saw blades is three teeth spanning thickness of the material cut. As you noted, if the wire to be cut was smaller than the blade spacing, when you tried to saw it, the wire would fall between the teeth points and just roll back and forth as you tried to saw it, but in this application, the wire is wound round and round a drill bit shaft mandrel and each turn is laid up against the previous one so that a continuous "service" (or wrapping) of wire around the mandrel would be presented to the saw blade. In this case, I believe it would be the length of the wire service on the mandrel and not the thickness of each individual turn of the wire that would be critical. Of course, as I said before, the finer the wire gets, the less critical is the "cleanness" of the end cuts to the soldering results.
     
    An alternative to the jeweler's saw for cutting rings on a mandrel is a thin ceramic abrasive disk on a rotary tool. This method is used, I believe, when rings are cut from the wire-wound mandrels in production ring-making machines. It may take a hand steadier than mine, but it can be done. 

    With respect to wrapping the wire around a drill bit shaft employed as a mandrel, there is a specific jeweler's tool designed for use in wrapping wire that is known as a "jump ring mandrel." (The small rings we encounter in ship modeling re properly called "jump rings" in jeweler's nomenclature.) These mandrels come in sets of various diameter and also in individual stepped-diameter versions. These mandrels have a handle and the mandrel shaft is usually cut with a notch along its length and sometimes a notch at its end, the latter to hold the end of the wire fixed while the wire is wrapped around the mandrel and the former to permit sawing the wire in the manner, I've described above without cutting into the mandrel shaft itself. 
    (See: Search: 27 results found for "jump ring mandrels" — Otto Frei)  For the truly tool-addicted modeler, there is even a pricey Foredom flex-shaft rotary tool powered machine for the automated production of jump rings. (See: Durston 1309 The Complete Jump Ringer | OttoFrei.com — Otto Frei)
     
     

     
    I'll add a bit of general information about using the jeweler's saw in case some forum readers are unfamiliar with the use of this saw which I consider a near-essential ship modeling tool. I've found it interesting that I've seen very little discussion of jeweler's saws (sometimes called "piercing saws") on this forum. Perhaps that's because they look very much like ordinary coping saws and folks who don't know the difference never notice them. Working with any sort of metal sheet in modeling sizes is going to require one of these saws and their productive use does demand something of a learning curve. They are a specific tool that is not duplicated by other tools. It may look like a coping saw, and one might correctly think it is a sort of scroll saw, but not realize a powered scroll saw cannot do what this hand saw can do (at least not without breaking a huge number of blades along the way!)  A "jeweler's saw" is not the same as a "coping saw." The mechanism for holding the blade ends and for tensioning the blade are different, precluding the use of one type of saw for the other type of blade and vice versa. The jeweler's saw demands a very rigid frame which is designed to produce very fine controlled cuts. The coping saw is intended for cutting wood and no provision is made for its cutting metal. On the other hand, the jeweler's saw is primarily intended for cutting metal, but will also cut wood and plastics.
     
    Below are pictures of a traditional "old school" adjustable jeweler's saw frame, sometimes called a "German style frame," (top photo) and three more modern non-adjustable-frame style jeweler's saws (second and third photos.) A quality adjustable-frame saw will set you back about $25, but the other modern ones, made of "space age" metals, are priced beginning at around $100. (There are lots of really cheap adjustable-frame saws out there. Don't waste your money on these. The frame members must be inflexible... like a quarter of an inch square and of good steel.) The saw frames come in different sizes to accommodate different use requirements with deeper frames for making cuts deeper in the center of a large work piece. Whichever style frame one might buy is purely a matter of personal preference and wallet size, although. as always, buying the best you can afford is the cheapest purchase in the end. I prefer the old-school style of saw not only because I don't have any need to appreciate the advantages, if any, of the whiz-bang modern models, and am cheap, but also because the adjustable frame saw, in which the blade is tensioned by resting the  top extension bar end on the bench top at the edge of the bench and pulling down on the handle and then tightening the bar adjusting set screw knob, will permit you to mount shorter broken lengths of saw blade in the saw frame which affords a considerable savings in blade expense. These extremely fine light blades break easily and often, particularly until the user acquires some finesse in using them.
     
    For those who might want to learn more about the use of this very handy and relatively inexpensive tool, this YouTube video is a good primer on sawing with a jeweler's saw: 
     

    Grobet Swiss Made Jewelers Sawframes-Adjustable or Fixed Frame — Otto Frei
     

    Knew Concepts Jewelers Precision Aluminum Sawframes with Cam Tension & — Otto Frei
     

    Amazon.com: Pepe Tools Haymaker Jewelers Saw Frame by Lion Punch Forge, Made in USA (Green) : Tools & Home Improvement
     
      Ultimate Guide To The Jewelers Saw (And Jewelers Saw Blades) - Rock Seeker
     
    Jewelers-Saw-Blade-Sizes-Sheet1.pdf
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Altduck in Remington Industries   
    Nothing screams "1960's" like a polyester resin-covered hatch cover coffee table on an avocado green shag carpet. Today's kids just wouldn't get it.   
     
     
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from mtaylor in Remington Industries   
    I feel your pain! It's unfortunate that you're not modeling a Liberty ship. The hatch covers they used didn't require eye bolts and rings and would have been a much less tedious job of fabricating!  
     

     
    If I may be so presumptuous, I'd like to suggest a slightly different "production line" approach to fabricating a large number of identical eye bolts and rings. I recognize that I am presumptuously offering these suggestions to a couple of guys who have probably already each made more eye bolts and rings than I ever will in a lifetime of modeling and that my experience in this endeavor exceeds theirs only in the number of my failures rather than my successes!   
     
    1)   The rings and the eye bolt "eyes" are formed on suitably-sized drill bit shaft "mandrels." Coil up as many as you require, or in the largest increments that are convenient given the length of your mandrel. All wire should be previously untouched ("fresh off the spool") and handled while wearing nitrile gloves to prevent contamination with bodily oils which would contaminate solder joints and require acid cleaning before "blackening" if that is desired. Treat the working area like a sterile surgical field.  
     
    2)   Don't unbend the "spring" on the mandrel and clip the rings with diagonal cutting pliers or even a sharp scalpel blade because these cutting methods will generally result in a "mashed" or "crimped" end on the severed ends which will likely require deburring and/or filing square after being cut in order to achieve the required contact between the ends when soldered. (This shape of the cut ends becomes less of an issue as the wire becomes thinner, of course, but still makes a difference even with very fine wire because it promotes a neater solder joint which will require less finish cleanup of the soldered joints, if not eliminate that task entirely.) Instead, use a jeweler's saw to saw through all the rings on the mandrel in a single saw cut with the blade running parallel to the mandrel shaft. This should produce "squared" sawn edges on the rings produced which should, when pressed together in the case of rings, or soldered to the sides of a separate wire "eye bolt shaft" in the case of eye bolt eyes, permit maximum contact of the faying surfaces essential for a neat, strong solder joint. The saw blade used for cutting the rings should be the narrowest possible so that the cut edges may be pushed together without unduly affecting the circular shape of the ring. The saw blade used for cutting the eye bolt eye rings should equal the diameter of the eye bolt shaft so that achieving contact of the ends of the eye and the bolt shaft (describe hereafter) can be accomplished without affecting the circular shape of the eye.
     
    3)   Make a soldering jig consisting of an aluminum peg set in a soldering block with an outside diameter matching the inside diameter of the eyebolt eyes. (Solder does not adhere to aluminum.) Place an eyebolt eye over the pin. Place a straight "pigtail" of the same diameter wire as the eye (or perhaps slightly larger) between the two cut ends of the eye and butting up against the aluminum centering pin. If you have sawn the eye ends on the forming mandrel with a saw blade whose kerf matches the diameter of the wire used, the wire should just perfectly fit tightly between the eye ends with all touching each other as required for a good joint and the shaft of the eye bolt eye should fetch up against the aluminum peg so that its end is flush with the inside diameter of the eye bolt eye, making set up and holding in place while soldering easy without additional holding devices. Solder the junction of the eye bolt eye and its shaft in the usual manner. The size of the wire and the degree of actual contact of the ends with each other permitting, a dab of silver solder paste alone may suffice to join the ends. (And in the case of silver solder, which is not gap-filling, if there is no actual contact between the faces to be joined, there won't be any joint at all!) Alternately, if some gap-filling by the solder is required, rosin-cored thin-diameter electrical wire solder can be used. The less solder, of course, the less cleanup of the piece will be required and the less gap-filling that is required, the stronger the joint will be and the amount of handwork to clean excess solder from the piece will be correspondingly reduced. Clean up the joints on the eye bolts.
     
    4)   Place an eye bolt ring end through an eye bolt eye and bend the ends so that they touch and are alighned. Solder the ends of the rings together. It may be found convenient to slide the unsoldered rings and eye bolts onto an aluminum peg of suitable size to hold the ring and eye  without slipping and in such manner keep the eye bolt eye away from the ring's solder joint while soldering the ring ends together. Clean solder joint as necessary.
     
    5)   Blacken the assembled ring and eye bolts as may be desired.
     
    I do believe that twisting the wire "pigtails" of an eye bent around a suitably sized drill bit shaft provides a stronger and better holding eye bolt when glued into a drilled hole in wood and may be less labor-intensive than soldering the eye bolts at all, but as these hatch cover eye bolts and rings will not be under any tension after installation, the holding strength of the shaft is not a consideration and soldering the eye bolts is likely less labor-intensive than twisting the shanks of so many eye bolts. Where, as here, a large number of identically-sized eye bolts and rings must be produced, the soldering of the eye bolt eyes to their bolt shafts, if the jigs described are used, should entail less work than twisting the number of eye bolts required. Moreover, I expect that the additional complication of a ring worked into the eye bolt's eye and the better appearance of the ring's fitting precisely through a round eye, rather than the "crotch" of a twisted wire bolt eye, promises the better appearing result. Where an eye bolt will be placed at the base of a mast or inboard of a deck rail adjacent to a lot of coiled rigging lines, etc., the detail of the eye bolt is less noticeable. However, here, where the eye bolts and rings will be much more apparently visible and less camouflaged by adjacent detail, and, particularly, repetitively lined up as the primary detail in a wide expanse of deck, the viewer's eye will be drawn to them to a much greater degree than otherwise. Given the human eye's particular ability to discern patterns which are "out of alignment," or distinct from  a group of other identical pieces, these hatch cover rings are a detail that is worth spending special time on. 
     
    Anyway, just some thoughts on the application of "mass production" techniques to an interesting and all too common challenge... 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from mtaylor in Remington Industries   
    Nothing screams "1960's" like a polyester resin-covered hatch cover coffee table on an avocado green shag carpet. Today's kids just wouldn't get it.   
     
     
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Rik Thistle in Remington Industries   
    Good question. As I noted with respect to using the saw instead of some other cutting method, "This shape of the cut ends becomes less of an issue as the wire becomes thinner, of course, but still makes a difference even with very fine wire because it promotes a neater solder joint which will require less finish cleanup of the soldered joints, if not eliminate that task entirely."
     
    Diamond coated saw blades are available in four grits, but they have a relatively wide kerf. The narrowest is 1.2mm. They are used for cutting glass, ceramics, stone, and resin composites. Conventional jewelers' saw blades generally are readily available in sizes 8/0 which is 0.15mm (0.0063") thick by 0.33mm (0.0126") wide with 34 teeth per cm (84 TPI) through #8 which is 0.50mm (0.0197") thick by 1.14mm (0.0440") wide with 28 TPI.  As with jig and coping saw blades, jeweler's saw blades come in a wide variety of teeth styles and blade hardness. You can buy blades with rounded back edges to facilitate making turning cuts and blades with skip-teeth and blades that are lubricated and blades that are unlubricated. (Blade lubrication is required.) There are even "mono-tooth" jeweler's saw blades which present a continuous spiraled cutting edge to the work rather than a toothed edge.
     
    While I have never done "research testing" on sawing very fine wire, it would seem to me to be little different than sawing thicker gauge wire with the same technique. Actually, the rule for jeweler's saw blades is three teeth spanning thickness of the material cut. As you noted, if the wire to be cut was smaller than the blade spacing, when you tried to saw it, the wire would fall between the teeth points and just roll back and forth as you tried to saw it, but in this application, the wire is wound round and round a drill bit shaft mandrel and each turn is laid up against the previous one so that a continuous "service" (or wrapping) of wire around the mandrel would be presented to the saw blade. In this case, I believe it would be the length of the wire service on the mandrel and not the thickness of each individual turn of the wire that would be critical. Of course, as I said before, the finer the wire gets, the less critical is the "cleanness" of the end cuts to the soldering results.
     
    An alternative to the jeweler's saw for cutting rings on a mandrel is a thin ceramic abrasive disk on a rotary tool. This method is used, I believe, when rings are cut from the wire-wound mandrels in production ring-making machines. It may take a hand steadier than mine, but it can be done. 

    With respect to wrapping the wire around a drill bit shaft employed as a mandrel, there is a specific jeweler's tool designed for use in wrapping wire that is known as a "jump ring mandrel." (The small rings we encounter in ship modeling re properly called "jump rings" in jeweler's nomenclature.) These mandrels come in sets of various diameter and also in individual stepped-diameter versions. These mandrels have a handle and the mandrel shaft is usually cut with a notch along its length and sometimes a notch at its end, the latter to hold the end of the wire fixed while the wire is wrapped around the mandrel and the former to permit sawing the wire in the manner, I've described above without cutting into the mandrel shaft itself. 
    (See: Search: 27 results found for "jump ring mandrels" — Otto Frei)  For the truly tool-addicted modeler, there is even a pricey Foredom flex-shaft rotary tool powered machine for the automated production of jump rings. (See: Durston 1309 The Complete Jump Ringer | OttoFrei.com — Otto Frei)
     
     

     
    I'll add a bit of general information about using the jeweler's saw in case some forum readers are unfamiliar with the use of this saw which I consider a near-essential ship modeling tool. I've found it interesting that I've seen very little discussion of jeweler's saws (sometimes called "piercing saws") on this forum. Perhaps that's because they look very much like ordinary coping saws and folks who don't know the difference never notice them. Working with any sort of metal sheet in modeling sizes is going to require one of these saws and their productive use does demand something of a learning curve. They are a specific tool that is not duplicated by other tools. It may look like a coping saw, and one might correctly think it is a sort of scroll saw, but not realize a powered scroll saw cannot do what this hand saw can do (at least not without breaking a huge number of blades along the way!)  A "jeweler's saw" is not the same as a "coping saw." The mechanism for holding the blade ends and for tensioning the blade are different, precluding the use of one type of saw for the other type of blade and vice versa. The jeweler's saw demands a very rigid frame which is designed to produce very fine controlled cuts. The coping saw is intended for cutting wood and no provision is made for its cutting metal. On the other hand, the jeweler's saw is primarily intended for cutting metal, but will also cut wood and plastics.
     
    Below are pictures of a traditional "old school" adjustable jeweler's saw frame, sometimes called a "German style frame," (top photo) and three more modern non-adjustable-frame style jeweler's saws (second and third photos.) A quality adjustable-frame saw will set you back about $25, but the other modern ones, made of "space age" metals, are priced beginning at around $100. (There are lots of really cheap adjustable-frame saws out there. Don't waste your money on these. The frame members must be inflexible... like a quarter of an inch square and of good steel.) The saw frames come in different sizes to accommodate different use requirements with deeper frames for making cuts deeper in the center of a large work piece. Whichever style frame one might buy is purely a matter of personal preference and wallet size, although. as always, buying the best you can afford is the cheapest purchase in the end. I prefer the old-school style of saw not only because I don't have any need to appreciate the advantages, if any, of the whiz-bang modern models, and am cheap, but also because the adjustable frame saw, in which the blade is tensioned by resting the  top extension bar end on the bench top at the edge of the bench and pulling down on the handle and then tightening the bar adjusting set screw knob, will permit you to mount shorter broken lengths of saw blade in the saw frame which affords a considerable savings in blade expense. These extremely fine light blades break easily and often, particularly until the user acquires some finesse in using them.
     
    For those who might want to learn more about the use of this very handy and relatively inexpensive tool, this YouTube video is a good primer on sawing with a jeweler's saw: 
     

    Grobet Swiss Made Jewelers Sawframes-Adjustable or Fixed Frame — Otto Frei
     

    Knew Concepts Jewelers Precision Aluminum Sawframes with Cam Tension & — Otto Frei
     

    Amazon.com: Pepe Tools Haymaker Jewelers Saw Frame by Lion Punch Forge, Made in USA (Green) : Tools & Home Improvement
     
      Ultimate Guide To The Jewelers Saw (And Jewelers Saw Blades) - Rock Seeker
     
    Jewelers-Saw-Blade-Sizes-Sheet1.pdf
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Canute in Remington Industries   
    Nothing screams "1960's" like a polyester resin-covered hatch cover coffee table on an avocado green shag carpet. Today's kids just wouldn't get it.   
     
     
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    Bob Cleek reacted to Toolmaker in Remington Industries   
    Those heady days when folks continued the carpeting up the side of the bath!
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Boccherini in Remington Industries   
    Nothing screams "1960's" like a polyester resin-covered hatch cover coffee table on an avocado green shag carpet. Today's kids just wouldn't get it.   
     
     
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    Bob Cleek reacted to Roger Pellett in Remington Industries   
    Bob,  thanks for your post and alternate procedure.  30or so years ago hatch boards like you posted were popular decorator items.  Although I knew what they were, I often wondered where they came from.
     
    I recently reviewed a book on the Ocean Class steamships for the Nautical Research Journal.  The more famous Liberty ships  were modifications of the British designed Oceans.  When modifying the design of the Oceans for the Liberties, it was decided to retain the wooden hatch covers as they could also serve as lifesaving devices.
     
    Roger
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    Bob Cleek reacted to Toolmaker in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    I would echo what Glenn said above. Here is a link to a typical instruction manual that comes with the Vanguard models. This particular kit is ideal for beginners as the hull shape is forgiving of skill.
     
    https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Fifie_construction_manual.pdf
     
    I hope that is helpful.
     
    Regards
    Paul
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from AON in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    Well, your being unmarried is likely a tremendous advantage in your pursuit of the ship modeling hobby!  
     
    You should read this thread, which is full of good advice about choosing first-effort novice level wooden boat kits. Fortunately, you have wisely already realized that it is better to "start small" than to attempt to build an expensive "four-decker" Eighteenth Century square-rigged "ship of the line."
    There is a much better option for attacking the sometimes steep wooden ship modeling hobby "learning curve." The Model Shipways company has a very highly regarded three-model series of progressively more challenging models for novice builders which are specifically designed for the purpose.  As I think most experienced modelers would advise, anyone who is not familiar with model ship kit building would do well to start by building these three Model Shipways Shipwright Three Kit Combo Series. See: https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html (These kits can also be purchased separately, should one not wish to commit to building all three.) Building these three relatively inexpensive boat models in order will provide, through excellent instruction manuals written by a leading world-class modeler, a solid foundation in the skills and techniques required to move on to more challenging kits. I don't want to scare you off, but building plastic model kits is nothing like building wooden ship model kits. They each require quite distinct skill sets. You are wise to begin at the beginning.
     
    There are several "build logs" of these entry-level kits posted on this forum. These will give you a detailed presentation of the actual building tasks involved in assembling the kits. Here are the manufacturer's YouTube video presentations of these three kits:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Good Luck! And remember, you can always rely on somebody answering any questions you have along the way by simply posting your question on this forum.  
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from mtaylor in Great Photo Etched Saw Blades   
    Thanks for the tip about UMM-USA, Kurt! I checked their website and was impressed by the wide range of tools they offered. I noted that the PE'd razor saw pictured above has a range of differently sized blades which UMM-USA offers, as well as a lot of other PE'd micro-saw blades, like micro-keyhole saws and the like. A quick scan of UMM-USA's tools section gives me the impression that their prices are very reasonable. It was also apparent that they emphasize plastic modeling, but their tool offerings are applicable to wooden ship modeling as well. 
     
    I'm surprised UMM-USA is a MSW advertiser! 
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from mtaylor in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    Well, your being unmarried is likely a tremendous advantage in your pursuit of the ship modeling hobby!  
     
    You should read this thread, which is full of good advice about choosing first-effort novice level wooden boat kits. Fortunately, you have wisely already realized that it is better to "start small" than to attempt to build an expensive "four-decker" Eighteenth Century square-rigged "ship of the line."
    There is a much better option for attacking the sometimes steep wooden ship modeling hobby "learning curve." The Model Shipways company has a very highly regarded three-model series of progressively more challenging models for novice builders which are specifically designed for the purpose.  As I think most experienced modelers would advise, anyone who is not familiar with model ship kit building would do well to start by building these three Model Shipways Shipwright Three Kit Combo Series. See: https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html (These kits can also be purchased separately, should one not wish to commit to building all three.) Building these three relatively inexpensive boat models in order will provide, through excellent instruction manuals written by a leading world-class modeler, a solid foundation in the skills and techniques required to move on to more challenging kits. I don't want to scare you off, but building plastic model kits is nothing like building wooden ship model kits. They each require quite distinct skill sets. You are wise to begin at the beginning.
     
    There are several "build logs" of these entry-level kits posted on this forum. These will give you a detailed presentation of the actual building tasks involved in assembling the kits. Here are the manufacturer's YouTube video presentations of these three kits:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Good Luck! And remember, you can always rely on somebody answering any questions you have along the way by simply posting your question on this forum.  
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Roger Pellett in Remington Industries   
    I feel your pain! It's unfortunate that you're not modeling a Liberty ship. The hatch covers they used didn't require eye bolts and rings and would have been a much less tedious job of fabricating!  
     

     
    If I may be so presumptuous, I'd like to suggest a slightly different "production line" approach to fabricating a large number of identical eye bolts and rings. I recognize that I am presumptuously offering these suggestions to a couple of guys who have probably already each made more eye bolts and rings than I ever will in a lifetime of modeling and that my experience in this endeavor exceeds theirs only in the number of my failures rather than my successes!   
     
    1)   The rings and the eye bolt "eyes" are formed on suitably-sized drill bit shaft "mandrels." Coil up as many as you require, or in the largest increments that are convenient given the length of your mandrel. All wire should be previously untouched ("fresh off the spool") and handled while wearing nitrile gloves to prevent contamination with bodily oils which would contaminate solder joints and require acid cleaning before "blackening" if that is desired. Treat the working area like a sterile surgical field.  
     
    2)   Don't unbend the "spring" on the mandrel and clip the rings with diagonal cutting pliers or even a sharp scalpel blade because these cutting methods will generally result in a "mashed" or "crimped" end on the severed ends which will likely require deburring and/or filing square after being cut in order to achieve the required contact between the ends when soldered. (This shape of the cut ends becomes less of an issue as the wire becomes thinner, of course, but still makes a difference even with very fine wire because it promotes a neater solder joint which will require less finish cleanup of the soldered joints, if not eliminate that task entirely.) Instead, use a jeweler's saw to saw through all the rings on the mandrel in a single saw cut with the blade running parallel to the mandrel shaft. This should produce "squared" sawn edges on the rings produced which should, when pressed together in the case of rings, or soldered to the sides of a separate wire "eye bolt shaft" in the case of eye bolt eyes, permit maximum contact of the faying surfaces essential for a neat, strong solder joint. The saw blade used for cutting the rings should be the narrowest possible so that the cut edges may be pushed together without unduly affecting the circular shape of the ring. The saw blade used for cutting the eye bolt eye rings should equal the diameter of the eye bolt shaft so that achieving contact of the ends of the eye and the bolt shaft (describe hereafter) can be accomplished without affecting the circular shape of the eye.
     
    3)   Make a soldering jig consisting of an aluminum peg set in a soldering block with an outside diameter matching the inside diameter of the eyebolt eyes. (Solder does not adhere to aluminum.) Place an eyebolt eye over the pin. Place a straight "pigtail" of the same diameter wire as the eye (or perhaps slightly larger) between the two cut ends of the eye and butting up against the aluminum centering pin. If you have sawn the eye ends on the forming mandrel with a saw blade whose kerf matches the diameter of the wire used, the wire should just perfectly fit tightly between the eye ends with all touching each other as required for a good joint and the shaft of the eye bolt eye should fetch up against the aluminum peg so that its end is flush with the inside diameter of the eye bolt eye, making set up and holding in place while soldering easy without additional holding devices. Solder the junction of the eye bolt eye and its shaft in the usual manner. The size of the wire and the degree of actual contact of the ends with each other permitting, a dab of silver solder paste alone may suffice to join the ends. (And in the case of silver solder, which is not gap-filling, if there is no actual contact between the faces to be joined, there won't be any joint at all!) Alternately, if some gap-filling by the solder is required, rosin-cored thin-diameter electrical wire solder can be used. The less solder, of course, the less cleanup of the piece will be required and the less gap-filling that is required, the stronger the joint will be and the amount of handwork to clean excess solder from the piece will be correspondingly reduced. Clean up the joints on the eye bolts.
     
    4)   Place an eye bolt ring end through an eye bolt eye and bend the ends so that they touch and are alighned. Solder the ends of the rings together. It may be found convenient to slide the unsoldered rings and eye bolts onto an aluminum peg of suitable size to hold the ring and eye  without slipping and in such manner keep the eye bolt eye away from the ring's solder joint while soldering the ring ends together. Clean solder joint as necessary.
     
    5)   Blacken the assembled ring and eye bolts as may be desired.
     
    I do believe that twisting the wire "pigtails" of an eye bent around a suitably sized drill bit shaft provides a stronger and better holding eye bolt when glued into a drilled hole in wood and may be less labor-intensive than soldering the eye bolts at all, but as these hatch cover eye bolts and rings will not be under any tension after installation, the holding strength of the shaft is not a consideration and soldering the eye bolts is likely less labor-intensive than twisting the shanks of so many eye bolts. Where, as here, a large number of identically-sized eye bolts and rings must be produced, the soldering of the eye bolt eyes to their bolt shafts, if the jigs described are used, should entail less work than twisting the number of eye bolts required. Moreover, I expect that the additional complication of a ring worked into the eye bolt's eye and the better appearance of the ring's fitting precisely through a round eye, rather than the "crotch" of a twisted wire bolt eye, promises the better appearing result. Where an eye bolt will be placed at the base of a mast or inboard of a deck rail adjacent to a lot of coiled rigging lines, etc., the detail of the eye bolt is less noticeable. However, here, where the eye bolts and rings will be much more apparently visible and less camouflaged by adjacent detail, and, particularly, repetitively lined up as the primary detail in a wide expanse of deck, the viewer's eye will be drawn to them to a much greater degree than otherwise. Given the human eye's particular ability to discern patterns which are "out of alignment," or distinct from  a group of other identical pieces, these hatch cover rings are a detail that is worth spending special time on. 
     
    Anyway, just some thoughts on the application of "mass production" techniques to an interesting and all too common challenge... 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Canute in Great Photo Etched Saw Blades   
    Thanks for the tip about UMM-USA, Kurt! I checked their website and was impressed by the wide range of tools they offered. I noted that the PE'd razor saw pictured above has a range of differently sized blades which UMM-USA offers, as well as a lot of other PE'd micro-saw blades, like micro-keyhole saws and the like. A quick scan of UMM-USA's tools section gives me the impression that their prices are very reasonable. It was also apparent that they emphasize plastic modeling, but their tool offerings are applicable to wooden ship modeling as well. 
     
    I'm surprised UMM-USA is a MSW advertiser! 
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    Bob Cleek reacted to glbarlow in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    The dory is a way to go for sure. The very best models for beginners at every level is Vanguard Models. Check them out by clicking this link Vanguard  @chris watton instructions are detailed, filled with color photos, and easy to follow.  There are multiple build logs of most of his models including the prototype built by James. Unlike most other manufacturers both are active members on this forum. There are multiple levels of models, you could build nothing but a sequence of models by Vanguard for years to come. Give your first experience you can’t go wrong for a better with Chris and Vanguard. 
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from JBH in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    Well, your being unmarried is likely a tremendous advantage in your pursuit of the ship modeling hobby!  
     
    You should read this thread, which is full of good advice about choosing first-effort novice level wooden boat kits. Fortunately, you have wisely already realized that it is better to "start small" than to attempt to build an expensive "four-decker" Eighteenth Century square-rigged "ship of the line."
    There is a much better option for attacking the sometimes steep wooden ship modeling hobby "learning curve." The Model Shipways company has a very highly regarded three-model series of progressively more challenging models for novice builders which are specifically designed for the purpose.  As I think most experienced modelers would advise, anyone who is not familiar with model ship kit building would do well to start by building these three Model Shipways Shipwright Three Kit Combo Series. See: https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html (These kits can also be purchased separately, should one not wish to commit to building all three.) Building these three relatively inexpensive boat models in order will provide, through excellent instruction manuals written by a leading world-class modeler, a solid foundation in the skills and techniques required to move on to more challenging kits. I don't want to scare you off, but building plastic model kits is nothing like building wooden ship model kits. They each require quite distinct skill sets. You are wise to begin at the beginning.
     
    There are several "build logs" of these entry-level kits posted on this forum. These will give you a detailed presentation of the actual building tasks involved in assembling the kits. Here are the manufacturer's YouTube video presentations of these three kits:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Good Luck! And remember, you can always rely on somebody answering any questions you have along the way by simply posting your question on this forum.  
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from pjofc4 in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    Well, your being unmarried is likely a tremendous advantage in your pursuit of the ship modeling hobby!  
     
    You should read this thread, which is full of good advice about choosing first-effort novice level wooden boat kits. Fortunately, you have wisely already realized that it is better to "start small" than to attempt to build an expensive "four-decker" Eighteenth Century square-rigged "ship of the line."
    There is a much better option for attacking the sometimes steep wooden ship modeling hobby "learning curve." The Model Shipways company has a very highly regarded three-model series of progressively more challenging models for novice builders which are specifically designed for the purpose.  As I think most experienced modelers would advise, anyone who is not familiar with model ship kit building would do well to start by building these three Model Shipways Shipwright Three Kit Combo Series. See: https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html (These kits can also be purchased separately, should one not wish to commit to building all three.) Building these three relatively inexpensive boat models in order will provide, through excellent instruction manuals written by a leading world-class modeler, a solid foundation in the skills and techniques required to move on to more challenging kits. I don't want to scare you off, but building plastic model kits is nothing like building wooden ship model kits. They each require quite distinct skill sets. You are wise to begin at the beginning.
     
    There are several "build logs" of these entry-level kits posted on this forum. These will give you a detailed presentation of the actual building tasks involved in assembling the kits. Here are the manufacturer's YouTube video presentations of these three kits:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Good Luck! And remember, you can always rely on somebody answering any questions you have along the way by simply posting your question on this forum.  
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from CDR_Ret in 80 year old wanting to get into modeling wood ships decades after plastic modeling   
    Well, your being unmarried is likely a tremendous advantage in your pursuit of the ship modeling hobby!  
     
    You should read this thread, which is full of good advice about choosing first-effort novice level wooden boat kits. Fortunately, you have wisely already realized that it is better to "start small" than to attempt to build an expensive "four-decker" Eighteenth Century square-rigged "ship of the line."
    There is a much better option for attacking the sometimes steep wooden ship modeling hobby "learning curve." The Model Shipways company has a very highly regarded three-model series of progressively more challenging models for novice builders which are specifically designed for the purpose.  As I think most experienced modelers would advise, anyone who is not familiar with model ship kit building would do well to start by building these three Model Shipways Shipwright Three Kit Combo Series. See: https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html (These kits can also be purchased separately, should one not wish to commit to building all three.) Building these three relatively inexpensive boat models in order will provide, through excellent instruction manuals written by a leading world-class modeler, a solid foundation in the skills and techniques required to move on to more challenging kits. I don't want to scare you off, but building plastic model kits is nothing like building wooden ship model kits. They each require quite distinct skill sets. You are wise to begin at the beginning.
     
    There are several "build logs" of these entry-level kits posted on this forum. These will give you a detailed presentation of the actual building tasks involved in assembling the kits. Here are the manufacturer's YouTube video presentations of these three kits:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Good Luck! And remember, you can always rely on somebody answering any questions you have along the way by simply posting your question on this forum.  
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    Bob Cleek reacted to kurtvd19 in Byrne's Saw Reference (also good for other desktop hobby saws)   
    Joe:
    Before you do anything other than using a new blade which has always fixed any problems I have had, check with Jim B. as I am sure it was all adjusted to be 100% right on before he sent it back to you. 
    I checked everything and the gauges showed all was OK.  Then I tried cutting again (same old blade) and no go.  Rechecked at all again and knew I couldn't be that far off.  Changed the blade and all was fine.  Now if I have an issue, I change the blade and back to work.
    Kurt
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    Bob Cleek got a reaction from Archi in The rope making machine from the Musée de la Marine de Paris   
    What a beautiful chest of drawers! It would be just the thing for storing small hand tools where they could be readily seen and retrieved. French fitted drawers would be particularly "tasty." Is it purchased or home-made? Time was that chests similar to this one were made for medical and dental professionals, but they are very hard to come across these days, at least at an affordable price. 
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    Bob Cleek reacted to popeye2sea in Remington Industries   
    Good find.  Thanks!
     
    Regards,
     
    Henry
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    Bob Cleek reacted to kurtvd19 in Great Photo Etched Saw Blades   
    The saw I showed earlier came from UMM-USA.  The guy that owns UMM-USA is from the Czech Republic - still has a very strong accent.  He was the original importer.  He has a lot of his unique products made over there by close friends.  He is a great guy and is helping a lot of friends who are still there.  I try to give him my business so he can continue to keep some  of the companies back there to stay in business. 
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    Bob Cleek reacted to Roger Pellett in Remington Industries   
    I need to make a large quantity of ringbolts for the hatch covers for my current project.  At 1:96 scale they are tiny.  I decided to make them from 30ga (.010” diameter) tinned wire so I ordered a small spool from Amazon.
     
    The wire was supplied by a Company named Remington Industries.  They are a supply house in the Chicago area specializing in wire.  They stock bare copper, tinned copper, nichrome, and stainless steel wires., plus various insulated wires.  There is no minimum order, they do not charge for shipping and service was prompt.
     
    A possible source for specialized needs. Next time I’ll order direct.  Website is Remingtonindustries.com
     
    Roger
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