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Hi I just have the Pontos for the Bismark.Thier first set,I still have to get theiur second set for the Bismark. I would rank Pontos as the number one company for details and quality for the Bismark and other sets in 1/200 and 1/350 and with thier photos and drawing sheets in color make sence of all of the parts and locations,which the other makers do not have.. The wood decks are also the correct style with the correct edge nibbing of the planks. I just wish that Pontos did a 1/200 set for the Arizona. I have the Mrk 1 PE and wood decks. Now I have been building wooden ship models for over the past year,with these kits above put back on the waiting to continue shelf. Keith
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Hello Building the Picket boat and am at the end of the build and looking for details of the spare torpedo launching brackets. I know that the one's in the MSW's kit are simplified version of the real ones that were used. Are there any drawings or srticles that are of the brackets that where used,and how was the torpedo deployed and set off? I think that somewhere I read about making them over in a build. I have a couple of old prints from newspapers that show side and top down views of the boat and torpedo before and after being deployed. What I want to know about is the front bracket that is shown a the pivot piont for the spare that keeps it down for the deployment of the torpedo under the hull of the ship being attacked. But the print is too small and dark to see how the front guide bracket looks like. Thanks Keith
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Hi Guys I buy sheets and strip out the planks I need. No saw used-just an xacto knife blade and a 4" small Starrett combination square used. I set the square's scale at the width that I want to cut,then I hold the combination squareup to the sheet and scribe along the rule that is at the width of the strip you will be using. I then scribe along the length of the steel scales end,then advance it down the sheet less than what the width of the scales end is. I continue to do this the total lenght of the sheet. I then put the sheet down on my cutting board and trace thru the cuts that are the full lenght of the sheet with the Back edge of the xacto blade-not the cutting side(I do this because it will follow the scribed cut that you hvae first made down the lenght of the sheet. Being carfull to lightly do this at first,and being 90% to the sheet. If it is thin-say 1/32 you can after about four cuts just break off the strip from the sheet. I can keep mine within .003 over the lenght of the strip for width. It will take some practic,but you will not waste ant wood to a saw blade,save the wood for greater yeald from the strip. Not have to spend a lot of money on a saw. For thicker sheets I also use a .005 thich razor saw to finish cutting the strips . I have done this for years in building Gliders and other models. Works well on Evergreen Plastic sheet also. As to figuring out the wood needed for a build,the decks are easy just figure out the area and yield on the strips you will be using. On the hull,I just ball park figure out the area and multiply it by 1-3/4. I also use thick file paper for spliing my planks before cutting any wood. Keith
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Hi Chuck I vote for the black on the caprail , sheer strip and natural wood on the transom. The blue makes it look "cheap" and small to me. As to red-to me it would just take away from the clean lines. Keith from cold and windy Troutdale,Oregon
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Ahoy Mates First I know that I am the builder and can do what I want with my model. At our building groups meeting yesterday when showing them the progress on my Union Picket boat build,I showed them a test painted strip of the black that I will be painting the hull. They asked me why I was going to paint over the nice job that I had done on the planking of the hull? Doug in our group was even mad at me for thinking of doing it. He has had a hard time with planking on his Boiunty and had to use quite a lot of filler on his planking. And said that it was not right to hide the planking on my build behind black paint. I have thought about covering the planking that I had spent spiling and making sure that the steelers were used in the correct shape and size. I used this build to realy get ready for my build of the Caldercraft Mary Rose and other models that i have to build that will be bare wood,just sealed in clear. I told them that I had thought of just painting black one complete side of the model leaving the other without paint to show the woodwork used in building the model. Or that I would just mask off an area on the hull when I paint it black,that will then only be in the clear coat showing the planks. Have you seen any builds that have been painted with areas that have the wood planking showing without the paint covering them? And if so,what was the shape and size of the area that was showing the details? What would be your siugestions as to shape,area(size of masked off area) and area of hull or areas to mask off and show? Thanks ahead of time for your input. Keith
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Mary Rose 1545 by tarbrush - Scale 1:72
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Hi What figures in 1/72 have you have for your build? I am interested in the 1/72 figures that you have. I will be starting a build of a 1/48 scale Mary Rose in the next week or so. Just the hull will be around 34 5/8" long,with a beam of around 9 1/2" I have the 1/80 Jotika Mary Rose kit and want to scale one up from this kit. Want it in 1/48 to match most of my other builds. I ordered some 1/72 figures from Fredericus-Rex in Germany last week. Will let you know what they look like when I recieve them. They have already shipped. Will see just how big they are in 1/72. If they are to the short side of the scale,I will use them on my 1/80 Mary Rose build. As for the 1/48 scale build,I will have to use figures from another time period and change them. Keith -
Confederate Submersible H. L. Hunley
bear replied to AndyHall's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Hi Andy Thanks,thats just what I have been looking ofr as to drawings of the Hunley. Now I can add it to my models to build list. Thanks again for the help. This site is the BEST on the internet. Other sites are with their self important trolls would just as soon ask why I wanted to make it,or make some other jerk comment. NOT HERE,the Greatest site on the internet. Keith- 7 replies
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Confederate Submersible H. L. Hunley
bear replied to AndyHall's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Great work. Are there any drawings now avaliable with dimensions of the Hunley as found now, so that you can make a scale model of it? All the previous drawings and models are out of date and wrong since the recovery of the Hunley. And are there any photos close up showing the details of the hull plates as to the spacing,size and locations of the rivets and screws and plate sizes? Would like to build a model of the Hunley in 1/24-1/12 scale for display. Keith- 7 replies
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Look at the Caldercraft Models PE brass hooks. They are made out of hard brass and I got mine thru Cornwall Model Boats along with other rigging hooks and eyebolts. They are larger than Syrens thats listed below. Just go to Cornwalls fittings area and lookup Caldercraft. I have the Syren 3mm and 4mm laser cut .010 thick black vinyl Hooks. I like them for the smaller scales and rigging because you do not have to blacken or paint them. Just cut them off the carrier sheet-175 pcs per order from Chuck. They are PERFECT for gun carriage rigging block hooks! And a GREAT VALUE. I am not working or paid by Chuck in any way. Just a happy customer. I use the brass for the larger models and areas that have to have tension on the lines,while use the vinyl on small rigging where there is little force on the lines other than just the weight of the line and blocks. Happy building Keith
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Hi I just finished building my Sloop a couple of weeks ago. Just a sugestion,you might want to remove the bowsprit until you have finished rigging the mast and all thats behind it. I found that it was realy nice to not have to look out when I was moving the ship around to do all of the rest of the rigging. I had seen others in our building group pull their har out when they were rigging their Niagara's with its bowsprit. I afstened all that I could to the bowsprit before I finialy set it in place. I did not glue it or even pin it in place. It fit snug in the metal strap and hole in the bow. I realy had an easyer time with being able to run the lines and rope coils under the mast and around the deck before installing the bowsprit. I did run a temperary forestay line from the topmast to the hole in the bow for the bowsprit,to keep a tension on the mast while doing all of the backstays and shrouds. After completing all of the rigging aft of the mainmast is when I put the bowsprit in place and finished up the rest of the rigging. Keith
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Mary Rose by Chidokan - cross-section
bear replied to Chidokan's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Hi Harvey1847 Glade that I bought my books months ago. At that time they were around $79 each,sounds like they are OOP and the new stock is gone. As of minutes ago the US Amazon site has the books on the Weapons of the Mary Rose. They are listed at list price for now. Not the OOP premium prices for now. The only issue that I have with the books are that they do not have drawings of what they think represents what ship looked like above the discovered areas, which is what modlers want. But they only deal with what they have found in the recovery. Keith -
Mary Rose by Chidokan - cross-section
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Greetings I have all of the books you write about from the Trust plus others on the Tudor era navy and the Jotika/Caldercraft kit. Looking forward to seeing your crosssection build. Do you know of any recient drawings on what they have found out about the Forecastle details since these books were published? I had heard that the new information showed that there were diferences in shape from the books reditions and drawings. Keith -
Hi wq3296 As to the 1/16",I was scaling it down to 1/48 scale,which is .0013 . As to the difference between 12" and 15" spacing being 3" which in 1/48 scale would be .0625. Which is were you got the 1/16",now I see what you were talking about in variations in the spacing being 1/16". It coud be the same type variations in the heights of the deadeyes. As you noted in real life there would be very few instances where they were all the same spaces and heights. Now,add that you are entering a built model into a contest,if they were not all perfect,just what kind of deductions would take place for uneven Deadeys and random spaced ratlines? I just look at it as to what would be a "guideline" or "ballpark" measurment be. And if there were differences between civil and naval ship rigging. Thanks for adding to my knowledge base on rigging this week. And for the help it was in my current build. Keith
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Thanks for all the information and opinions. I have just finished with my ratlines on my MSW"s Armed Virginia Sloop. I ended up setting the spacing at 14" or .291 in 1/48 scale. It looks right at that spacing. I made up a spacing block so that I could check the spacing as I went along. Being the Toolmaker that I am they all came out within .020. As to the 1/16" building tolerance,I would presume that you are talking about 1/16" in full scale,which would be .001 ? I have made up displays to show our building group just how close of differences can be seen by your naked eyesight. As for feeling diferences on a surface,the average person can feel height differences side to side of .0002. I uild to variuos tolerances as everyone does. It just is up to each person as to what is important to them. I tied on the outside right shroud line and then went across to the other side. Just used the block to check along as I went. It's just takes time-about 3 hrs later they were all done. I did not measure any of them with a dialcaliper,I just looked at how they compaired to the setting gauge stick,and how they looked as a whole. It's better to have a little variation. Too perfect can also standout as being unnatural. Thanks Keith
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What is the spacing between ratlines? Is it 11" in full sclae on a ship? Thanks Keith
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You can see some photos of my completed Philadelphia on out groups blog woodenshipclass.blogsspot.com . Keith
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For me it's just how you want to spend your time. I would rather spend my time on working on what will be seen. And not so much on the jigs to build the model.I only wish that I could paint to the level on the Flemish Galleon shown. I agree with Chuck,it's only a variation on POB. And another layer of planking and using staples.I would think that the time spent to remove the staples carefully might outweigh there savings in time if any. It all goes into the catagory of just how you prefer to build. Being a Tool and Diemaker,I go about building different I would expect than a Cabinet Maker would. But I look at what it ends up being as the real fruit of your effort. I realy like to see how others do their builds,and learn a lot in very one I see. And try to use what I see to further my building skills. Keith
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Welding a broken bandsaw blade. Bad idea?
bear replied to qwerty2008's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
It realy comes down to just how many blades you use. I worked in a Tool and Die shop for the last 43 years,we had two bandsaws,with blade welders on each saw. They were electric and buttwelded the blades together. The main things to get right are: grinding the two ends square to each other setting of the spring preasure that pushes the two ends together when the welding was done annealing the blade after welding grinding the weld seam down to even with the blade Annealing the blade AGAIN after grinding using the correct tension on the blade in use-too little will alow the blade to come off the wheels,too much will break the blade I have worked with toolmakers that never could get a blade weld to hold. They just did not have an eye for seeing the right color of the blade when annealing-which is the heat range that you need to have-going thru blue to dull red,that's what worked out for me on our welders. I have not seen them silver soldered,only electric welded by a blade welder. A welder will not be cheap,so if you only use 5-6 blades a year,and do not saw out holes in parts,stay with the premade blades,find the correct lenght and maybe find a tool supplier in your area that makes up blades .They might be cheaper than ones that are premade one's. The learning curve on bandsaw welding can be a long and fruitless indevore if you do not have the skill and luck in hitting the right combinations to welding a blade that wears outwithout breaking. Note-a correctly welded blade should not break before it wears out,and even then it should not break. AND MOST IMPORTANT_DO NOT USE YOUR FINGERS TO PUSH ANTHING THRU A SAW_ALWAYS USE A STICK THAT IS AT LEAST 4" THICK AND AWAY FROM WHERE YOU ARE PUSHING ON IT. THAT WAY IT WILL BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO STOP PUSHING AFTER IT GOES THRU WHAT YOU ARE CUTTING BEFORE IT GETS TO YOUR FINGERS AND HAND!!!!!!!! i have been using machines in a shop since I was only 8 years old,and I still have ALL of my fingers and use of them. I have seen too many guys lose fingers and other parts to various machines. The saw is one of the most dangerous and unforgiving. Just see how fast a frozen hotdog can be cut thru with a saw blade. A skip tooth will realy show you just how fast it can cut,faster than you can pull back from trying to push thru a wood part when it goes thru a soft spot. Sorry about the lecture,but I have seen too many guys bleeding and having to order 5 beers using two hands instead of just five fingers on one hand. Keith -
Hi I am just finishing up on my build of this kit. These are what I would say were the critical parts and their steps in importance in the build of this kit. !- straight keel 2-bulkheads set level with the top of the keel,which will be the deck.To me this is what you will build the rest of the ship off of. You will go off of the deck for the height of the top rail,base the whale shape and level. 3-the side to side of the bulkheads -center them up as close as possible-open up the slot in the middle to be able to move them. There are a couple in the middle that are not wide enough tho. Add strips to them,so that when you fair them in with the others,that you will have wood to even them up. Same goes with the tops of the bulkheads. Not all will be the right height,or thick eneogh after you start to fair in the shape of the hull. Add strips to where you end up too short or wide. The reason that you need to strt out with the deck level,and not going with the outside bottom of the bulkheads is that you can add or take off of the outside surfaces of the bulkheads in an easy way. To level out the deck is NOT EASY TO DO- you do not have an open area to work with first off,then you have the thin basswood upper bulkhead tops that break when you just look at them. So do yourself a favor to start out with,base your build with the top of the keel and all of the bulkhead deck surfaces level to each other-taper the bulkheads deck surfaces to match the curvature of the deck fore and aft and port to starboard before go to gluing. After the deck is level,you need to make sure the bulkheads are 90 deg. to the keel,note the bulkheads might have a slight curve to them,not flat across,if they are not flat across,just make sure that they are even on each side. Have fun,just take the time to start off on a level deck,it will realy make to rest of the build an easy build. Keith
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CA glue question
bear replied to MikeB4's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I remeber when in 1971 Hotstuff Ca came out for use in RC planes. I used it for joining 1/16 and 1/32 balsa sheets together on edge for sheeting the front leading edges of wings on my 12 and 14 foot wingspan gliders. It was so great to be able to edge glue the sheets together instantly,just going down the seam. It was named Hot Stuff for a reason,when the CA would link up and harden,it created enough heat to cause a "smoke" comming up from the wood where it was used. I still have a couple of these gliders,and the CA has stood up to the years and stress of the bending and warping of the wings in flying. Which is a lot more stress than of a static ship model's rigging or planking. I still build gliders and use Ca only for tacking some parts in place. Tite Bond PVA and slow setting epxoy for the wing spar laminations is still the way to go. With full size aircraft- resorsinal (sorry about the spelling) is still the only FAA approved way to join wood.But you have to have tight joints for it to work best. As for rigging,I only use Ca in very few areas,because of the fumes from the CA and the lack of working time,and how it makes the joint brittle. Sometimes the old way still can be the best way. PVA is still the best all around way to go. But Ca has in my building stood thew test of time in my Glider building and long term use of 43 years in a couple of my RC Gliders. Keith -
Hi Max Your build looks great. I have the Caroline also.As for the brass castings of the figures,I plan to replace the heads and faces with metal and plastic ones from figures that have full details of the face that I have found. The one's that they give you in the kit are what I would term as "Blob Faces". I just wish that we could buy an aftermarket set for us that are not up to sculpting our own replacements. I just hate to do a good job on the rest of the build and then have to use these clunky brass castings,and since they will catch your eye first,they realy do not come up to the curent standards of model building. I enjoy following your build progress,and take notes for when I work on my kit in the future. Thanks Keithl
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Hi Steve I finished my build months ago. Our building group at our now closed hobby shop built the Philadelphia as the thrid group build. I bought hte two books on the Philadelphia,one had the Smithsonian prints in it. I put all of the nails in my model. There are over 2,500 .025 square nails in my hull. I drilled all of the holes first with a .022 dia. drill. Then I opened the round hole with a .028 square pin. I then put in .025 square white Evergreen styrene plastic into each hole. I used Titebond to hold them in. When I put them in,I left them about 1/16" aboue the serface of the planks. I then cut them down so that they were about .025 above the surface. After staining the hull in it's first coat,I then sanded them down to where they are .015-.010 above the surface. After the rest of the hull and decks were finished,I then using a steel colored Gundamn paint pen-painted each of the "nails" It looks great,you can then use more stain to highlight there the nails are,and how the wood ould discolor around each one. I used the pans from the Smithsonian to change the details on the boat from the kit's to represent a true scale model of the Philadelphia. I also used .032 red oak veneer with a .o32 basswood as backing for the oak planks on the hull and deck. All this took about 8 months of steady work. I also added grain deatil to the basswood that I used,so that it looks like oak. As for the hull planks,I first made the planks to fit the hull in the .032 basswood,then I would glue the oak veneer to the plank,while it was flat and sandwiched between two steel rulers with clamps,to keep it from warping while drying. Then I would trim the oversized oak veneer to the plank outline and fasten it to the hull frames. Keith
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Still would like a simple answer-what is the scale of the Amati new Revenge kit? Thanks Keith
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What scale is the kit? And should we look for it before 2015? Keith
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Thanks for the links. They are just a start of what I am looking for. Now to find out what differences there were in buoys from various countries and era's in shapes,rigging of the netting and how they were rigged to anchors. And differences in military and merchant ships. Just as it always is-an answer to a question is just a single seed that starts the planting of a field of knowledge in ship model building. Thanks Keith
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