woodrat

the halyard, at the end of the day, should pull the yard away from the mast so it runs smoothly as it raises and lowers. I believe there should be a line which pulls the yard against the mast once it is in the correct position and is released for tacking or changes on yard position. I show the arrangement on my carrack. Athough the dromon does not have parrels, the principle is the same. Keep up the good work.

Dick

The plan lines cleaned up

Dick

Thanks, Carl. Signor Penzo is a great modelmaker, historian and author documenting the many ships and boats of Venice and the Adriatic. His plans are meticulously researched and his models made using original techniques such as the sesto to reproduce the lines. I thoroughly recommend his plans. I have not yet met him and have not had a reply to emails. Maybe the language barrier? Anyone visiting Venice needs to look into his shop.

Dick

This is a first draft of the nave latina. The dimensions are taken from the Michael of Rhodes manuscript and combined with the known lines of the Contarina 1 wreck. The superstructure will be based on the ships painted by Veneziano in his cover for the Pala d'oro in the Cathedrale San Marco, Venice

Cheers

Dick

1 hour ago, cog said:

those dolphins turned out better than I thought viewing the first few pictures. 

Best not to look too close, casting is not my forte (yet). You should have seen the first versions 

Dick

Have made the anchors from woods metal and wood but am trying to determine how they were secured. I have made a decorative stand more in keeping with the period using playful dolphins and perspex to support the nave.

Cheers

Dick

The steps sit on the keelson with knees either side. As you say the keel is not cut into. The knees are either part of the floor or bolted into it, I think similar techniques were used in galleys but they were lightly built. 

Dick

11 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

Are there any detailed pictures of the steps?

As requested, Steven.

It wasnt a galley but it was a lateener and at least the foremast, if not both, was canted at about 20 deg to the vertical. The mast foot may have been shaped to allow this.

Dick

The Contarina 1 wreck excavated in about 1899 had its mast steps intact. They were not raked although the foremast was canted forward being a nave latina

Cheers

Dick

Me gusta mucho

Dick

Thanks Carl and Jesse. The next project, a 13th/14th century Lateen-rigged two master is well advanced on the drawing board and will hopefully be as interesting.

Dick

Thanks for following, Druxey. I appreciate all the feedback

Dick

1 hour ago, goetzi73 said:

 Hope you enjoined that dram on the first picture.

 

Götz

Thanks Götz. Yes, indeed. A coastal highland of some distinction.

Dick

The build almost finished. Flags of the Moro family in place (silkspan). Note: the Moro family crest consists of bunches of blackberries. This is a pun on the venetian name. The original name of the Moro family was Mauro or a moor. This was corrupted to Moro which is also the italian for blackberry. I have only the anchors yet to make.

Dick

Having completed the venetian carrack or cocha, I now plan to reconstruct a merchant vessel that predated it and lasted into the 15th century.  I have based the reconstruction on the measurements given for a nave latina in Michael of Rhodes 15th century manuscript. This has been combined with the framing details of the Contarina 1 wreck excavated and fully measured at the end of the nineteenth century. The details of superstructure and planking will be loosely based on the vessel shown in the Translatio of St Mark painted by Veneziano. 

Woodrat

The fearsome and toothsome Dragon

Dick

what did they do with the oars when running before the wind? Were they pulled in and locked?

Dick

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On 18/02/2018 at 6:18 PM, Mark Pearse said:

I wonder if they were an on-board chapel (or maybe just the nave part), & when the canvas was opened to expose the nave & altar - facing forwards - the deck became like the chapel interior.

A very good thought, Mark. Many large round ships would have had a chaplain, particularly if transporting important personages. If so, Mass may have been said on the guarterdeck for all the crew, particularly at anchor. I doubt they were deployed at sea. Some of the "wings" seem to have folded down against the side and others to have folded up against the sternpost. The other panels seen above the wing seem to be painted panels on the side of the steersman's seat.

Dick

Thanks, Steven. I am starting to evolve something  that could explain the "canopies" as Prof. Pryor has called them in "cogs, caravels and galleons page 72.  I may have a cunning plan which is so extremely cunning that I may outwit myself.

Dick

On 12/02/2018 at 1:32 PM, woodrat said:

Could they be collapsed awnings folded up. Some illustrations show wing like stuctures at the stern which may be the awnings extended??

I have been thinking on this and I have almost convinced myself that these are fabric awnings, not wood, that can be deployed  by elevating a "stretcher" which is hinged at or keyed into the sternpost. Would this be possible at sea? What were they shielding? Spray ? Wind? Were they protecting the steersman from, wind and water? Or is this all just impractical fancy? Dick

More research needed

I'd best not get into the hulc argument.

Could they be collapsed awnings folded up. Some illustrations show wing like stuctures at the stern which may be the awnings extended??

Dick

4 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

The ships in Steven’s post above appear to be hulks or “hulcs” These are sort of the “missing links” of ancient naval architecture.

Indeed, Roger, I would not disagree but these strange shell-like construction on the stern, covering the steering oar, what are they? How would you model it? They are commonly seen in ilustrations of the period but serve no apparent use except for decoration. Can anyone enlighten us?

Dick

10 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

I wish I could work out how the sterns of some of these ships worked, particularly the ones of the Cantigas of Santa Maria.

Yes, I have also been puzzling over these strange decorative transom wedding cakes. Not enough detail in most pictures. The Ships in the Ursula cycle and the Translatio of St Mark of Paolo Veneziano are highly detailed and it is likely I will choose one of these. The Contarini ship may be useful for hull structure.