HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans

[Mic_Nao]

Excellent work,a pleasure to read your topic.

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the carpenters have the deck beams ready and fitted them in. The next thing they have to build are some hanging knees. But not all, you would't see them later.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the carpenters had build the bitts for the fore mast and made also the partners for that mast and the bowsprit new. 

I'm puzzling with the galley. I know it is a galley made from brick, covered with wood. At older models you see also that there is a room in front of the galley like this one.

Did anyone know how long this was made in this way? The latest model where I saw that is the Ipswich from 1730. But also Steve Anderson build it in his Victory.

Many thanks in advance

Edited March 5, 2023 by Siggi52

[scrubbyj427]

Hi Siggi, the draft for Portland class (Bristol dated 1775), 50 guns shows this open space in front of the galley which I think you are describing. 

[Siggi52]

Hello Scrubby,

many thanks. May be, in later years they had only a part bulwark in front of the galley. I'm missing doors to the front part, where the grill is and also a table. Like here in the Essex from 1741

Is the computer drawing the Bristol?

Here is the drawing from the 1745 establishment. That I think are battens who hold the bricks in place. They did't draw doors here  At the drawing for the Tiger they even did't draw this. 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Siggi52

[Siggi52]

Good morning,

all the experts are in vacation? 😉 

Scrubby, from where got you the information about the room in front of the galley? Yesterday I thought about the battens, as I called them, in front of the galley. Just for paving the place there to prevent a fire, I think the place is a little too large(?) Or is it really a room? 

 

The model of the Royal Oak 1741 has there a room. It's hard to see, but it's there.

from an other view

Thats the drawing from the Royal Oak, there are no doors drawn. 

That would be the galley with a room in front, according to the drawing for the 1745 establishment, as I think it could be look like. 

 

[druxey]

re the Essex draught: the floor battens retaining bricks are shown in plan view as the double lines. Aft of the stove is a heavy curved bulkhead with two doors. The stove area itself does not appear to be enclosed. No doorway is indicated along the lines of battens. 

[scrubbyj427]

19 hours ago, Siggi52 said:

Hello Scrubby,

many thanks. May be, in later years they had only a part bulwark in front of the galley. I'm missing doors to the front part, where the grill is and also a table. Like here in the Essex from 1741

Is the computer drawing the Bristol?

Here is the drawing from the 1745 establishment. That I think are battens who hold the bricks in place. They did't draw doors here  At the drawing for the Tiger they even did't draw this. 

 

Hi Siggi,

the drawing is of Portland actually but Bristol is the only source for the deck layout. Bristol and Portland were built at the same yard, Portland being first in the class and Bristol second. From everything I could see in the drawings, both elevation and plan, that is how they made the galley. Of course a trip to Ontario to see the Bristol contemporary model would further confirm this.

[scrubbyj427]

Siggi, 

this is what i came up with from the Portland class drawings, it appears that the front of the galley was open rather than showing a transverse bulkhead/wall. Your drawing shows it completely enclosed in the front with where your table is. 
Here you can see Leopard, from Winfields book, which was built 15/20 years after Portland and Bristol respectively, at a different yard, a semi enclosed galley but showing the perimeter of the enclosure. But this is not noted or shown in any of the early drawings.

[scrubbyj427]

Siggi, 

apologies for the many posts but  upon further inspection I believe Druxey’s observation to be correct on both our drawings. It appears that McKay also interpreted this drawing correctly on Leopard. A close up of the drawing shows where the bulkheads end and the battens are placed to contain the bricks or stones.

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks Druxey and Scrubby,

Druxey, I don't know from where you got the floor plan of the Essex, the NMM did't have any. But at least shows the sideview the pantry in front of the galley with a door. If there are no doors drawn, must not say that there aren't any. At the plan of the Royal Oak are also no doors drawn, but the model has them.

Scrubby, better one post more, then not. I had a look into my book about the Victory and yes she has a pantry aft of the galley to the open fire side. The pantry is in the same way build like the one of the Leopard, but has also doors. 

 

These pantries make sense, because for what is a 2,5 m long brick place good? If there are sparks flying they stay within the pantry and are easy to detect. Not so, when they fly under a cannon or else.

At least is the problem not solved, but I tend to build a pantry. May be some more things come up

[druxey]

Siggi: I thought you had labelled the draught Essex of 1741 (Post #875). What ship is that of then?

[Siggi52]

Yes Druxey, that is the Essex. When I shut the site from the NMM, I saw that the Royal Oak was build to the same draught. So, you meant that decks plan and to that plan I said already something in the next post #876. 

You must not take these plans as the last instance. If there is a door or not. There are often mistakes or they forget something do draw. At the plan for the Tiger they draw the cross beam from the bitts partly through the mast! I think I should't build it so. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

yesterday I thought more about that problem with the pantry or not. The draughts for the 1745 establishment show the cabins for the captain at the upper gun deck but not a pantry there around the mizzen mast. That space there is too small to be a pantry, but may be not. So I thought that that is may be the reason to build the pantry in front of the galley. But the Royal Oak has the captains cabin at the quarter deck and also a pantry around the mizzen mast. And there are also no doors drawn. So that is not the reason. Here is the plan of the upper gun deck of the Royal Oak and may be also that of the Essex. But Druxey, it looked a little different of that what you described in your post #877. That are the only floor plans for the Royal Oak 1741 and may be Essex 1741 the NMM has.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the carpenters started building the bulkhead. This was a permanent bulkhead. As you may see, there was not much headroom under the beams. 

[Keith Black]

Siggi, what is the measurement between the deck and the bottom of the beam? 

[Siggi52]

Hello Keith,

to the beam it's 36 mm, that would be 1,72 m, to the underside of the planks it's 40 mm, that is 1,92 m. So, there could also large men stand upright

[Keith Black]

 A man five feet, six inches tall in shoes or boots wouldn't have to lower his head. That's a fair amount of headroom. Thanks, Siggi. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the carpenters have the bulwark ready. Next thing is then carving the panels, but first I must find a design. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

after a serious cold I'm back at the shipyard. I started now with the pillars. At the first picture you will see my method to draw the battens. At the last picture a prototype of a pillar. Just to see how the look and how wide they are, to plan the paneling. And tomorrow I have to change also something.

[Keith Black]

 Nice detail, Siggi. I hope whatever change you have to make doesn't prove too difficult. 

[Siggi52]

Hello Keith,

no it's not so dramatic. Some small things I changed already and tomorrow I must cut new wood.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

today was't my day. I made the first panelings, but I could do it better and I did it better.

[Keith Black]

 An extra ration of grog for the carpenters.  

[Siggi52]

Hello Keith,

that could be a solution. 🤪

I had a look at my pictures from the Dragon, and they did't look better there. At the model they look great. So I hope paint and time would do it. I don't know if I build them there from Batoia, or also from Castello, it's softer. 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

also without an extra grog, now it works better. Daylight was the solution. 

[Keith Black]

 Beautiful work, Siggi. Nothing beats good lighting to work by. 

[mrcc]

I am a relative newbie to the scratch build world and I must say there is no scratch build on MSW that comes close to the quality of workmanship I see on this build log.

 

Incredible!

 

[scrubbyj427]

Beautiful panels Siggi! 

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for your nice comments and likes,

the carpenters build today the columns and installed them to the middle part of the bulwark

later the painter painted them. I hope that when the paint is dry, it looked a little better, sharper. There are 4 columns left for tomorrow 🤭