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Hello,

Slowly I get this deck finished. I turned the sheaves for the railing and made the chimney and ventilation for the stove. Even the mast foot is ready. So the next things are the bell and railing.

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello and thank you for all the likes,

after my last post, my cat and I decided to enjoy the now warm sunshine after a more cold spring and being lazy. But yesterday we had here a little, long awaited, rain and I started with the arch of the belfry. The first attempt did't work, so today part two of it

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I think it worked this time

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Siggi

 

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Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello,

I build the side parts, because drawing them would be nearly impossible.  And then came the hardest thing, to assemble the parts. But at least all went well and the shipwright is pleased. Tomorrow the painter has to paint it all.

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello,

and thank you scrubby and Glenn for your comments, and all the others for your likes.

Now the belfry has also a bell.

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Siggi

 

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Hello

today we started with the fife rails. First I tuned the arches for the reserve mast storages, then build the rails itself and fitted them in. The rest will come the next days.

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Siggi

 

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Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello Marc,

thank you, and no I would't rig the model. The ship is now 1,15m long and 40cm high. With a rig it would be 1,40m long and also high. That is much too large. And there are too much sticks and twine for me :rolleyes: 

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Siggi

 

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Hello,

because it's not really summer here at the moment, the carpenters decided to build the timber heads. They are not fast installed, that comes tomorrow.

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Siggi

 

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Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
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Hello and thank you for all the likes

today the carpenters build the port side fife rail. Unfortunately they have forgotten to paint the underside of it. I hope that that would not end in a disaster. :(

The plank for the other side is now already painted. 

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Siggi

 

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Hello,

thank you Druxey.

Because we have here the best weather to sit in the basement, it's cold and rainy, the carpenters mostly finished the fife rails and the painter painted them. And all without a disaster. ;)

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Siggi

 

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Hello,

it is done, the fore castle is ready. Ok, there are some things left like the anchors, but that comes later. The only thing I would build here next, is the fish david. 

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Siggi

 

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Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

now a question, did anyone know how the fish david works? Goodwin and also Lee in his masting and rigging did't say anything about that. Only that the david get shorter after 1733. The models did't show that really. There are not so many, I take the Yarmouth 1745 (SLR0454) as an example.

 

Here the beam would reach from cleat to cleat. From the dimensions my beam would have the same length. The anchor should't bump against the ship, so the david reached far outside. The plummet is 5cm ( 2,40m) away from the ship. 

But how did they get the anchor to the ships side? Only pulling at the shankpainter chain I think would't work.

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Or did they haul in the david? There are the ropes at both sides, and ten men to the left and right I think could get him together with the anchor in. In the position at the next picture. In that position the david is at the model of the Ipswich 1730 (SLR0434). And here I think they could catch the anchor with the shankpainter chain. 

 

Many thanks for your help in advance. As you may see, I get her out of the basement. Here the paint should dry the next weeks. With LED lights that is a problem. 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

 

because nobody seams to know how the fish david worked, I decided to do it like I described it in my last post and as it is build at the contemporary models. The other end of the hook rope (?) was connected to a double block, where I think some men pulled. 

 

Here some details. Sorry, Johann, I stop doing this. It's not my world. ;)

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And here the fish david is I think far enough outside to catch the anchor with out damage the ship. But I will build it as seen at the pictures before.

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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It took me a while to figure out how the fish davit was rigged and worked. The tackle runs aft and hooks to an eyebolt on the main channel.

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You may have better luck if the English word is spelled correctly not david  but davit.

I think that a rough definition using "fish" as a verb   is:   

a fish davit would be  a line with a hook on the distant end attached to the outer end of a pole

 

to fish means hooking something in the water and pulling it up.

 a cathead crane can get a heavy anchor up and out of the water but it will hang like a bell

to tie it down means rotating it ~ 90 degrees and securing it to the side of the ship so that it is not a wrecking ball.

Given the weight of the anchor on a liner fishing and rotating the fluke end was probably a non-trivial chore.

I wonder if the tool used to do it - the fish davit - could not be loose -  a disposable item - not really a permanent part of the hull?

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HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner -  framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner -  timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835  ship - timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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Thank you Jaager,

but that are things I know already and ok, my english is not the best.

It's funny, when I asked, all the experts are at a holiday trip, somewhere in the desert with no internet. But when I'm ready they come out and know also something. And every time I think, I did't ask again. :wacko:

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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As I was doing yet another of my denken experimenten  (slang from my German American major professor) about this

 

I am seeing that something more involved than just loosing the end of a rope was involved in setting an anchor.

I can see that the fluke could rip a chunk out the the channel or even the wale unless the anchor was swung out before letting gravity take control.  A fish davit could have a two way function.

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Current:  

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner -  framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner -  timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835  ship - timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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Jaager,

thank you again. But that all did't answered my question from my post #981. The davit is something about 2,50m out of the ship, for not damaging the hull when getting the anchor up. My question was and is, how did they get the davit, with the anchor on it, to the place at the board wall to secure the anchor?

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Siggi,

 

I have no idea.  But if I was the noncom in charge of this operation,  I would think seriously about having a dolly or truck at the inboard end of the davit and using my team to move the beam in/out/arc/aft as needed.  I would also  have rope handles at file intervals along the beam.  A beam like that would be a bear to manhandle without some accessories. 

notches in the beam and hollow Mickey Mouse hat rope loops  with rope handles instead of ears.

NRG member 45 years

 

Current:  

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner -  framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner -  timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835  ship - timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  -  timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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