jaerschen Posted July 1, 2013 Share #331 Posted July 1, 2013 Very nice work as ever Ferit. What are the ropes that we can see in the background? Ferit 1 Quote Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share #332 Posted July 1, 2013 Some fine detail on those shots Ferit, I like the neat little sheave for the Fore sheets, very nicely done. B.E. Very nice work as ever Ferit. What are the ropes that we can see in the background? Thank you B.E. and Juergen for the kind comments and for eyeing all details... Another talent: Visual flair... The neat little sheave in fact, has a circular wood of piece inside to simulate a pulley, but being left in shade it had not been seen in photos... And the ropes in the background are the shrouds... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaerschen Posted July 2, 2013 Share #333 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Hi Ferit, I havn't much idea about ships of that period. Were the shrouds white at this time ? Edited July 2, 2013 by jaerschen Ferit 1 Quote Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share #334 Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Hi Juergen, You are right and have a very kind manner in your notice... I don't think that the shrouds were white... But I decided to left them as the kit had supplied... I think my decision is wrong but I don't want another effort to buy and replace the ropes, I am an obsessive man and sometimes this temper fatigues me and sometimes to break this temper makes me feel happy... that situation is one of them... Edited July 3, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon jaerschen, Beef Wellington and mtaylor 3 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 3, 2013 Share #335 Posted July 3, 2013 Hi Juergen, You are right and have a very kind manner in your notice... I don't think that the shrouds were white... But I decided to left them as the kit had supplied... I think my decision is wrong but I don't want another effort to buy and replace the ropes, I am an obsessive man and sometimes this temper fatigues me and sometimes to break this temper makes me feel happy... that situation is one of them... I haven't done this myself (yet) but I believe you can darken the shrouds with 'India Ink'. I'm sure others with more experience can provide more insight, but would seem to be an straightforward task. She is looking wonderful, and I'm sure whatever you decide it will look great. Ferit and jaerschen 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share #336 Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) I haven't done this myself (yet) but I believe you can darken the shrouds with 'India Ink'. I'm sure others with more experience can provide more insight, but would seem to be an straightforward task. She is looking wonderful, and I'm sure whatever you decide it will look great. Thank you Jason for the suggestion... Good idea that I have never heard... That was registered... I can try it but I have starched the ropes already... They shouldn't absorb the Indian ink??? Edited July 3, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon jaerschen 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #337 Posted July 5, 2013 ... Salty Sea Dog, Captain Slog, Sjors and 10 others 13 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 5, 2013 Share #338 Posted July 5, 2013 Nice seeing the deadeyes going in. First rate work. Ferit 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted July 5, 2013 Share #339 Posted July 5, 2013 Ferit, As usual superlative work. Did you make those?. I'm sure you did. And if you did, would you have a few pics that you could post? I'm close to also installing the chainplates, but I don't like those that came with the ship. Your artistry is always so helpful. Regards, Michael Ferit 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted July 5, 2013 Share #340 Posted July 5, 2013 Very nice work! /Matti Ferit 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 5, 2013 Share #341 Posted July 5, 2013 Hi Ferit, That looks great! Did you use beeswax on the lanyards? When I magnify the pictures, it looks a little fuzzy…... With beeswax you gonna avoid that. But on the other hand….maybe the rope gets dirty when you do that. Don't forget to seizing the end of the rope to the shroud…... Ferit 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #342 Posted July 5, 2013 Thank you Augie and Matti, Your nice comments are highly appreciated... They sound very good... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #343 Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Hi Ferit, That looks great! Did you use beeswax on the lanyards? When I magnify the pictures, it looks a little fuzzy…... With beeswax you gonna avoid that. But on the other hand….maybe the rope gets dirty when you do that. Don't forget to seizing the end of the rope to the shroud… Thank you Sjors, I didn't use beeswax on the ropes... I think that I can burn the fuzz with snap fire... Bad idea... Edited July 5, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon Sjors 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #344 Posted July 5, 2013 Ferit, As usual superlative work. Did you make those?. I'm sure you did. And if you did, would you have a few pics that you could post? I'm close to also installing the chainplates, but I don't like those that came with the ship. Your artistry is always so helpful. Regards, Michael Your kindness as always... Thank you Michael. These all parts were supplied by Corel, they aren't scratch unfortunately, if only I can... I have drawn how I had acted... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted July 5, 2013 Share #345 Posted July 5, 2013 Ferit, Thanks. I think that the Corel supplied chainmail looks really excellent. I would have used them as well. Your idea is good. i need to think about hoe to do mine. Regards, Michael Ferit 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 5, 2013 Share #346 Posted July 5, 2013 Very nice Ferit... as usual I like your chainplates a lot and am in need of creating some and yours are an excellent example of what I want... I intend to make them of 20 gauge copper and blacken... hope you don't mind if I copy your design... I also like the top threading under the deadeye, gives a nice finished look.... might do that as well. You've inspired me to do better and i thank you for that Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRat Posted July 5, 2013 Share #347 Posted July 5, 2013 Hi Ferit, It's such a joy to watch your Berlin taking shape. Are you familiar with silver soldering? I'm not yet to the point where I've done any myself, but I've read here of instances where unsoldered rings and such may open up under the tension of the rigging, allowing it to sag. The wrapping and gluing might be adequate, but it's something to consider. There is a silver soldering tutorial in the article downloads section. Cheers, Brian Ferit 1 Quote "Give you joy!" Current Build: RATTLESNAKE 1:64 POB (Mamoli) Kits on hand: "Lexington", Mamoli: "Robert E. Lee", Scientific Scratch to do: "Fannie Dugan", 1870s Sidewheeler Steamboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #348 Posted July 6, 2013 Very nice Ferit... as usual I like your chainplates a lot and am in need of creating some and yours are an excellent example of what I want... I intend to make them of 20 gauge copper and blacken... hope you don't mind if I copy your design... I also like the top threading under the deadeye, gives a nice finished look.... might do that as well. You've inspired me to do better and i thank you for that Thank you Randy, such nourishing words you say!... As I have no knowledge and experience about soldering I have used glue... I had to go on with the kit supply. I can suggest you to make the gap, namely the junction point in the part located under the rope... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #349 Posted July 6, 2013 Hi Ferit, It's such a joy to watch your Berlin taking shape. Are you familiar with silver soldering? I'm not yet to the point where I've done any myself, but I've read here of instances where unsoldered rings and such may open up under the tension of the rigging, allowing it to sag. The wrapping and gluing might be adequate, but it's something to consider. There is a silver soldering tutorial in the article downloads section. Cheers, Brian Hi Brian, thank you for the kind comment and the information... There are many techniques and manners I see at MSW. I became aware of them in course of time. (Many thanks to all...) Soldering is the top solution. If only I can... But I flee from it. If I should have enough information I have not any experience and don't know if I can handle it. Experience is as important as knowledge, I think. But I had a try with the tension, fortunately the glued dead eye with CA has remained very stable... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 6, 2013 Share #350 Posted July 6, 2013 i like the white shrouds - are you going to contrast the ratlines in black - or keep it all the same colour? all the best Ferit 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #351 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) i like the white shrouds - are you going to contrast the ratlines in black - or keep it all the same colour? all the best Hello Kevin, I am waiting with patience your updates on HMS Victory, clean and impeccable build. I have found your Log tardy, decided to follow it but unfortunately you have come to a stop... Speaking of Berlin, I will keep all ropes natural hemp color... I have learned that static ropes have to be dark color, brown or black and active ropes white or cream. But meanwhile I saw in some Corel's finished models showed via internet, all ropes in natural hemp color, that event has pleased and encouraged me to go with the natural hemp color. Black is only in metal work and glasses of the windows... Edited July 6, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 6, 2013 Share #352 Posted July 6, 2013 Thanks for the tip Ferit. I tried a few prototypes and found bending the wire and trying to connect at the deadeye was impossible so I changed the junction point further down to the bottom. I'll have to solder but at least I shouldn't light my wooden deadeyes on fire. No matter what tho it will be better than the wire stuff from AL... I hope Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #353 Posted July 6, 2013 Thanks for the tip Ferit. I tried a few prototypes and found bending the wire and trying to connect at the deadeye was impossible so I changed the junction point further down to the bottom. I'll have to solder but at least I shouldn't light my wooden deadeyes on fire. No matter what tho it will be better than the wire stuff from AL... I hope Hello Randy, I believe that you can manage it very shapely... as your impressive SF... I saw your AL's supply. I am sure that to compare kit supply with your oncoming scratch will be meaningless... In addition you know how to solder... An another suggestion, sorry... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 6, 2013 Share #354 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Thank you Ferit. Your confidence in me is uplifiting. I always like your suggestions too and your drawing looks very similar to the way I just did a prototype with the bottom ring forming around a fat 1.5mm sewing needle stuck into a board. I need the junction to be farther from the deadeye tho as when I solder I fear the flame being that close to the wooden deadeye. In that case I probably will not wrap the top. True, I know how to solder but not well enough to make it an easy time.... most of the time it is trial and error ... I have to do 30 deadeyes with strops and around number 15 or so I'll start to get a rhythm I hope! Edited July 6, 2013 by lamarvalley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #355 Posted July 6, 2013 Thank you Ferit. Your confidence in me is uplifiting. I always like your suggestions too and your drawing looks very similar to the way I just did a prototype with the bottom ring forming around a fat 1.5mm sewing needle stuck into a board. I need the junction to be farther from the deadeye tho as when I solder I fear the flame being that close to the wooden deadeye. In that case I probably will not wrap the top. True, I know how to solder but not well enough to make it an easy time.... most of the time it is trial and error ... I have to do 30 deadeyes with strops and around number 15 or so I'll start to get a rhythm I hope! Randy, I have just realized that the problem is to burn the deadeye with fire. Excuse me because of my inattentiveness. In my kit supply if to glue the deadeye remains stable, your scratch would be more stable with CA and more easy and more speedy... lamarvalley 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPett Posted July 6, 2013 Share #356 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Ahoy Ferit Looking at your pictures and not ever having silver soldered any deadeye hardware I would think that you could close the "gap" as you have it named in your pic without the wooden deadeye installed. Provided you were neat with the solder and did not attach the two linear sections you would then be able to place a wedge between the linear parts, opening the circle just enough to then insert the deadeye. Once the wedge is removed it should secure the deadeye This being said I really think what you have done will work just fine. Maybe I will try this on my Berlin build. This after I finish my current build which as we both know will be some time from now. PS: She looks great Edited July 6, 2013 by JPett Ferit 1 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #357 Posted July 6, 2013 Ahoy J.Pett, In fact what I mentioned "gap" is the junction point. The round wire had been left loose to allow installing the deadeye, for this reason there was a gap. But once the deadeye has been installed the wire was compacted firmly then the gap became a junction point... But the soldering is the best solution and your suggestion was registered... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPett Posted July 6, 2013 Share #358 Posted July 6, 2013 I'll let you know if it works, figure around 2020 "lol" Ferit 1 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 6, 2013 Share #359 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Hello Kevin, I am waiting with patience your updates on HMS Victory, clean and impeccable build. I have found your Log tardy, decided to follow it but unfortunately you have come to a stop... Speaking of Berlin, I will keep all ropes natural hemp color... I have learned that static ropes have to be dark color, brown or black and active ropes white or cream. But meanwhile I saw in some Corel's finished models showed via internet, all ropes in natural hemp color, that event has pleased and encouraged me to go with the natural hemp color. Black is only in metal work and glasses of the windows... Sorry real life gets in the way - full time work lots of DIY on the house - big garden - and the biggest surprise of all - that my daughter who i lost 15 years ago has made contact, i progress with the build when i get the chance - no one more than me wants to get on with it - not quite sure you mean by tardy though, lol it doesnt mean anything special in the English dictionary - if you do mean that - then im afraid i am unable to improve on my own work Edited July 6, 2013 by Kevin mtaylor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 6, 2013 Share #360 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) I think Ferit means HE is 'late' to your build Kevin Edited July 6, 2013 by lamarvalley Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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