Ferit Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #421 Posted July 31, 2013 The nightmare... Ratlines... Which ratlines are loose will be redone... jaerschen, dafi, Mirabell61 and 8 others 11 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted July 31, 2013 Share #422 Posted July 31, 2013 I think they look GREAT. I've always questioned over tight ratlines as the climbing would have given them some sag inthe middle from the weight of climbers. Plus I've noticed in several movies with period ships, they seem to always have a bit of sag. To me its more realistic, which you have a natural ablity towards. Thats what I love about this build, its beautiful but looks natural. The way you treated you barrel first drew me to your build due to your eye for making it look used and natural, as a real ship would be. Of course, I'm mad, but I still know what I like and there's nothing on your Berlin I haven't loved. Have you noticed the similarity between your berlins double caprail and the modification the the DSotM's caprails. Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZyXuz Posted July 31, 2013 Share #423 Posted July 31, 2013 very well done on the ratlines, Ferit.. I agree with Keith, the sag effect makes it looks more realistic.. Ferit 1 Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 31, 2013 Share #424 Posted July 31, 2013 That looks great Ferit! Really nice job . When you have done the last ratline, you almost like it Ferit 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted July 31, 2013 Share #425 Posted July 31, 2013 It looks great! Very clean. Its nice to see her getting rigged Ferit 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted July 31, 2013 Share #426 Posted July 31, 2013 Hi Ferit, I very much like your Build, and shall stay tuned to your log as you go along,.....well done ! Nils Ferit 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 31, 2013 Share #427 Posted July 31, 2013 Beautiful job Ferit. The sag is perfect... I can only hope mine look half as good. Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 31, 2013 Share #428 Posted July 31, 2013 Well done my friend. Ferit 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted July 31, 2013 Share #429 Posted July 31, 2013 Ferit, I agree with everybody ! your ratlines look perfect. Keith made a very good observation, I will remember his thoughts when I get to where you are in mine. Regards, Michael Ferit 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #430 Posted July 31, 2013 I think they look GREAT. I've always questioned over tight ratlines as the climbing would have given them some sag inthe middle from the weight of climbers. Plus I've noticed in several movies with period ships, they seem to always have a bit of sag. To me its more realistic, which you have a natural ablity towards. Thats what I love about this build, its beautiful but looks natural. The way you treated you barrel first drew me to your build due to your eye for making it look used and natural, as a real ship would be. Of course, I'm mad, but I still know what I like and there's nothing on your Berlin I haven't loved. Have you noticed the similarity between your berlins double caprail and the modification the the DSotM's caprails. Hi Keith, Thank you for your gentle thoughts... Your kind comments are much appreciated. The problem about sags is the twists of the rope, it seems to me as if the ratlines don't sag in natural manner, the gravity doesn't work correctly ... very well done on the ratlines, Ferit.. I agree with Keith, the sag effect makes it looks more realistic.. Thank you very much ZyXuz, your words sound very good... That looks great Ferit! Really nice job . When you have done the last ratline, you almost like it Will that day come?! Who knows? Penelope's weaving... from Odyssey... It looks great! Very clean. Its nice to see her getting rigged Thank you Matti much appreciated. I decided that I love the wood rather than the rope... Hi Ferit, I very much like your Build, and shall stay tuned to your log as you go along,.....well done ! Nils Hello Nils, Thank you a lot for following and for your nice thoughts, I am grateful... Beautiful job Ferit. The sag is perfect... I can only hope mine look half as good. Your faith in me as usual... Many thanks Randy... I try my best... Me too, I have faith in you. I know you can do it more good than it must be... Well done my friend. It's good to hear that from spider whisperer (I liked this definition that had come from Buck; Salty Sea Dog and it's my second use for you Augie but it's possible that there will be much more...Sorry...) Ferit, I agree with everybody ! your ratlines look perfect. Keith made a very good observation, I will remember his thoughts when I get to where you are in mine. Regards, Michael Your kind comments as always, Michael... As I had said, the naturalness of your build affects me all the time. Sure your ratlines also will be natural and beautiful... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted July 31, 2013 Share #431 Posted July 31, 2013 I get what your saying about the sag, They seem to be sagging/twisted more on the outer shouds and toward the outside. I wonder if a slight wetting with water from a brush and a bit of downward force in the center would make them sag symmetrically? I also wonder if just a bit of PVA in the water might let them dry in a more natural fashion and hold the symmetry. Of course this is just speculation as I've not done any rigging as yet. I also question if redoing them would change things much as they aren't slack and the rigidity of the rope is probably the twist effector rather then your work. Just some ideas. Either way, left alone or modified, your works outstanding. Maybe Augie the spider whisperer would have more experienced advise, as I'm only guessing how I might approach it. Thats the great thing about MSW. All the knowledge and expertise to draw from, which helps make better builds and builders of us all. Ferit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #432 Posted July 31, 2013 Ferit, On your ratline problem, mix some water and white glue in a 50-50 proportion. Lightly paint the ratlines and shape while it drys. Do this on a test ratline first. It should help. Ferit, augie and Salty Sea Dog 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted August 1, 2013 Share #433 Posted August 1, 2013 Hi Ferit! I don't have the experience of Mark or the most Augcellent spider whisperer, but I was able to shape some unruly thread using a 50/50 water and white glue mix. I think you will get the results you want that way. By the way, I agree with everyone else, your rope work is terrific! Best wishes. Ferit 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #434 Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Thanks a lot again Keith and Buck for the comment and the suggestion... And Mark for the guide... Buck, have I to pay for the usage of your registered trademark " spider whispererR "? I have used the laundry starch, but I haven't obtained ideal outcome. I should try 50-50 diluted white glue... Oh, Morope, where are you?! Edited August 1, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #435 Posted August 1, 2013 Hi Ferit! I don't have the experience of Mark or the most Augcellent spider whisperer, but I was able to shape some unruly thread using a 50/50 water and white glue mix. I think you will get the results you want that way. By the way, I agree with everyone else, your rope work is terrific! Best wishes. Yes, I decided to use your registered trademark from now as spider whispererR... Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted August 1, 2013 Share #436 Posted August 1, 2013 Haha -that's funny! I guess we should ask Augie if he is OK with it! Ferit, mtaylor and augie 3 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #437 Posted August 1, 2013 Haha -that's funny! I guess we should ask Augie if he is OK with it! Yes, I'm sorry , if Augie is OK with it... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted August 1, 2013 Share #438 Posted August 1, 2013 Hahahaha. I'm fine with it but you had better get authorization from the originator of spider wrangling ---- Jim Ladd faberberger 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted August 1, 2013 Share #439 Posted August 1, 2013 Being a spider wrangler is one thing. Very few can become a spider whisperer! Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #440 Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Hahahaha. I'm fine with it but you had better get authorization from the originator of spider wrangling ---- Jim Ladd Being a spider wrangler is one thing. Very few can become a spider whisperer! I quite agree with Buck... A mini whip in one hand and a mini chair in the other, handling by force, grumbling spiders, on the verge of contumacy... Who could find the way to escape, run voluntary to the sanctuary of the spider whisperer® !... ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! On the way... Edited August 2, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon Salty Sea Dog, mtaylor and augie 3 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted August 3, 2013 Share #441 Posted August 3, 2013 Ferit. I just don't know what to mention that I like most of your build... but I'll try anyway: Your cleanliness. Everything looks so cleanly made. How you modified and built the doors and windows; the rigging of your deck cannons, your ratlines... man you are doing a tremendous job there. You are making a jewel out of a relatively unknown kit. My congratulations. Ferit and Salty Sea Dog 2 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share #442 Posted August 4, 2013 Hi Ulises, It's so good, so pleasant to receive such heartening opinions, such cheerful thoughts ... Many thanks... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share #443 Posted August 4, 2013 And here is the starboard side... Salty Sea Dog, NMBROOK, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted August 4, 2013 Share #444 Posted August 4, 2013 Excellent work so far on your rigging Ferit If the rigging on my build ends up as clean and precise as yours i will be very happy Kind Regards Nigel Ferit 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 4, 2013 Share #445 Posted August 4, 2013 Superb rigging on a superb model. Excellent work, Ferit. I'm envious. If I can do half as good on my Licorne, I'll be happy. Ferit 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 5, 2013 Share #446 Posted August 5, 2013 Great job Ferit, Are you using those spiders from Augie????? Ferit 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share #447 Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Excellent work so far on your rigging Ferit If the rigging on my build ends up as clean and precise as yours i will be very happy Kind Regards Nigel Superb rigging on a superb model. Excellent work, Ferit. I'm envious. If I can half as good on my Licorne, I'll be happy. Many thanks, Nigel and Mark, your thoughts are much appreciated... Nigel and Mark, I can easily say, that comparing with my rigging, yours will not make you be happy but I'm sure you will be in rapture when that day comes... I know you and I am lucky to follow your Logs, it's a pleasure to behold, to contemplate, to learn... Edited August 5, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon mtaylor 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share #448 Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Great job Ferit, Are you using those spiders from Augie???? Thank you Sjors for the nice comment... Unfortunately I try to supervise only three, unqualified, daily fee spiders... Edited August 5, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon Sjors 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 5, 2013 Share #449 Posted August 5, 2013 Great job as allways Ferit! /Matti Ferit 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 5, 2013 Share #450 Posted August 5, 2013 i am at present house training my spiders - i bought them off the web (lol) laughing at my own joke should be ready to work for me by this time next year all the best i love the ratlines Ferit 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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