flying_dutchman2 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share #91 Posted April 18, 2018 Drafting table is from the mid 70's and is one very sturdy piece of furniture, I needed that when I was at the Rijks Middelbare Tuinbouw School in Utrecht (Royal Middle Horticulture School). I use the table for drawing (duuuh) and the clamp that tightens the table is so strong I can set heavy objects on it when it is in the horizontaal position. The pieces are glued with a wide strip of wood in the back and they bend better. I have so much extra wood, I decided to use some of that to keep the cost down. So far I have spent around $200.00. The marine plywood is expensive. The bottom plate has an opening the size of the top plate. When it is all done I will set it on top of several stone tiles. Marcus paulsutcliffe, popeye the sailor, Elijah and 5 others 8 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share #92 Posted April 20, 2018 Today was a sunny day to do some sanding outside and start building the cap. Sanded the mill and put together the framework of the cap. Also drilled the axle head, which is the piece where the vaines will be attached to. It ended up as a complete failure. I did it by hand but need a drill press. Tomorrow getting a six pack of beer and next week go to the neighbor across the street, with the 6 pack and ask if I can use his drill press. Marcus mtaylor, thibaultron, Elijah and 8 others 11 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted April 22, 2018 Share #93 Posted April 22, 2018 Nice going Marcus and thanks for the sawdust/Titebond III mixture. I am contemplating a wipwatermolen for next to my fish pond. Cheers, thibaultron, popeye the sailor, flying_dutchman2 and 5 others 8 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted April 22, 2018 Share #94 Posted April 22, 2018 Tomorrow getting a six pack of beer and next week go to the neighbor across the street, with the 6 pack and ask if I can use his drill press. A good neighbor is better than a good friend who lives far away ( Drill the holes first, and then enjoy the 6 pack) flying_dutchman2, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share #95 Posted April 22, 2018 Found out yesterday that the neighbor no longer has the drill press. Did ask him who did and he said the man next door to him. So I may ask him. This coming Thursday is my woodworkers meeting and may just ask the person I am good friends with. He builds furniture in his spare time. He must have a drill press. Doing this part of the mill is in the future. Tomorrow I need to do some more painting and put the tile glue on to imitate the thatch. Marcus mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Baker and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altduck Posted April 23, 2018 Share #96 Posted April 23, 2018 Did you find out before or after he consumed the beer? Oh well, another neighbor, another six-pack. Baker, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 5 others 8 Quote Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share #97 Posted April 23, 2018 Started putting on the tile glue paste one side after another. Put on about 5-7mm and used a hard bristle brush going from down to up to imitate the thatch. It looked good after it was all done. Then over time once it starts to dry it all settled a bit flat, like frosting on a cake. It is still drying in the garage and I am assuming that tomorrow it has hardened completely. I will take a coarse wire brush and add more ridges to the sides. I did notice in one small area which is already dry the material is is hard and does not come off when scratching with a finger nail. Tomorrow part 2 Also painted the underside of 2 pieces dark blue. In Dutch it is called t'hemeltje (little heaven). Marcus popeye the sailor, Baker, Jack12477 and 7 others 10 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share #98 Posted April 24, 2018 Part 2 After a full day of drying the tile glue looks like, when clay soil has been baking in the sun for about 3 months with added ridges. It is also extremely hard. Some areas have cracks that are too obvious so these need to be filled in. Furthermore, a coarse wire brush makes no difference. Conclusion : fill in the cracks and add a thin layer here and there and try to imitate the thatch, again. My guess about the cracks is that the paste is put on while the mill stands up instead of laying down. Gravity pulled some areas apart. It is a nice learning experience. The tile glue that is recommended in the instructions which are in Dutch, is not the same as the tile glue I bought here in the US. From about 10 feet away, you can't really see the cracks. Question for the Dutch members. What color is the thatch? I know new thatch is straw colored and over time it becomes grayish. So what color shall I paint that area? Marcus popeye the sailor, Piet, lmagna and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 25, 2018 Share #99 Posted April 25, 2018 I have never in my life seen a newly thatched mill, so I would go for a medium to dark brown -greyish. You might want to google on "rieten daken", and have a look at the images. Most thatched roofs discolour within a year, so it is rare to see a straw coloured roof, and if you do, it will have been (re)thatched very recently. One used to see roofs with a lot of moss, nowadays thatched roofs are shorn, the thatcher removes an outer layer of approximately one inch, which removes the budding growth of moss on the roof. Even shorn, it doesn't look new, it has a newish look, but still brown-greyish ... mtaylor, Canute, flying_dutchman2 and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted April 25, 2018 Share #100 Posted April 25, 2018 (The Google search = the dark text) Rieten dak plaatsen (nice colors, new and old) https://www.google.de/search?q=rieten+dak+plaatsen&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW4NuU7NTaAhWFq1MKHZBuCTcQsAQILQ&biw=1212&bih=508 Molen met rieten dak (mill) https://www.google.de/search?biw=1212&bih=508&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=5SbgWt_COYKvzwKO8I6ACw&q=molen+met+rieten+dak&oq=molen+met+rieten+dak&gs_l=psy-ab.12...9620.14897.0.16185.9.9.0.0.0.0.166.1353.0j9.9.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.311...0i7i30k1j0i7i5i30k1.0.OFsiQyD0Y74 Molen met rieten bekleding https://www.google.de/search?biw=1212&bih=508&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=9ibgWtzPOZK0zwKlgLEI&q=molen+met+rieten+bekleding&oq=molen+met+rieten+bekleding&gs_l=psy-ab.12...99617.103376.0.105386.12.12.0.0.0.0.182.1771.0j12.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.Rnvi8M3_I7c popeye the sailor, flying_dutchman2, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted April 25, 2018 Share #101 Posted April 25, 2018 The colour also depends on the temperature/amount of sun over the last twoweeks. water makes the thatch more dark brwon, and it makes the moss grow, so there will also be a greenish colour. Sunn and warmth will result in the moss drying (and falling off), the moisture disappear, so the whole thing becomes more greyish. On my way to work I come by a couple of these mills every day: theircolour is letterallynever the same. google for molen rietgedekt, and you will get the full range of colours. Pick some 'inthe middle' greyish brown' and that will do. Very dark and starkyellowish do exist inreallife, but will generallynot do to depect a mill. Jan Piet, flying_dutchman2, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted April 25, 2018 Share #102 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) This is a dry, newly thatched mill: sharplines, one colour. Old (notice the moss), and less sharp corners in the thatch, but very dry (because, greyish colour) Thatching is expensive, so not uncommon: pnly replace the leaking side... head forsomething that is between these colours, and you willbe OK. (and: dont tey to google for a wet mill, tourists apparently never take pics in the rain :)) And when you want to get an impressionof changing colours over time, and over the day, google 'kinderdijk molen' those are the most famous eightsided mill inthe Netherlands, and therefore the most fotographed.. 8 mills, never the same colour. Jan Edited April 25, 2018 by amateur cog, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share #103 Posted April 25, 2018 Cog, Backer and amateur, thanks for the links, suggestions and pictures. This gives me enough information on choosing a color. The 2 last pictures from amateur are great, besides the thatch it shows the back of the cap. My plans are line drawings and these show exactly what it looks like. Furthermore, in the second picture the walls are horizontal wood slats, I like that and to make the model look more interesting I am going to do something like that. This mill has the exact same colors as what is suggested for my model. Early this morning I filled in the cracks and added a thin layer of paste. Than with a regular paint brush I imitated the thatch, rinsing the brush after every 5-7 strokes in a pale of warm water. It did the trick. I like the looks of it. If I need to increase the stroke lines I can always do that when I paint the mill. Let it completely dry and slowly remove the hard paste from around the top windows. Will start painting the bottom walls. Been working on the cap as well (pictures soon). Marcus mtaylor, Canute, thibaultron and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 25, 2018 Share #104 Posted April 25, 2018 I noticed slight 'eyebrows' over windows and doors worked into the thatch in the last photo. thibaultron, cog, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share #105 Posted April 25, 2018 Good observation, druxey. Unfortunately, there is still some cracking. 😞 So I took drastic measures. Got a hand saw with course teeth and started scrapping from top to bottom. As I said before, this paste is hard as stone, so it's a lot of work. The cracks are evening out and the teeth are creating ridges. Next mill I am building will not have this tile glue. I have to seriously research this until I find something better. Marcus popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted April 26, 2018 Share #106 Posted April 26, 2018 What about actual thatching? popeye the sailor, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 26, 2018 Share #107 Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) I see you struggle Marcus. Why not take the "hairs" from a coarse bristled broom and use that, take one with natural bristles. I would go for that approach, as you will never get the thatch look like the real deal with pastes. Near us there is a house "thatched" with plastic elements. You can spot it to be fake from a mile away ... You can try it out on a small piece of wood first, before you decide to apply it to the structure Edited April 26, 2018 by cog popeye the sailor, flying_dutchman2, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share #108 Posted April 26, 2018 17 hours ago, popeye2sea said: What about actual thatching? Yes, I could do that, but that is a whole different ball game. There is a learning curve for that process. You can purchase thatch in bundles. Not cheap and available in Holland. Getting it that exact on a structure would take me several mills. Marcus mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share #109 Posted April 26, 2018 14 hours ago, cog said: I see you struggle Marcus. Why not take the "hairs" from a coarse bristled broom and use that, take one with natural bristles. I would go for that approach, as you will never get the thatch look like the real deal with pastes ... You can try it out on a small piece of wood first, before you decide to apply it to the structure Carl, Glue the bristles on the paste? I am not taking the paste off. I am evening it out and it works, slow process. I will take bristles and glue on some wood, see what it looks like. I do like your idea. Should have done this instead of the paste. Definitely going to do that on my next mill (Yes, there is going to be another one). Marcus Jack12477, cog, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 26, 2018 Share #110 Posted April 26, 2018 I don't expect you to take it off. It would probably be quicker to builld the "housing" a new. The bristle would certainly look more like thatch compared to the paste. Your first atempt looked a bit tree barkish. Personally I think it is rather hard to make paste look like thatch, as I wrote before, since the body part of the straws is invisible, all you see are the ends cut at an oblique angle. Let's first get this one spinning Marcus thibaultron, Piet, flying_dutchman2 and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share #111 Posted April 27, 2018 'Tree barkish', that is a good one I checked to see if redoing is an option and it is. I have enough wood to redo everything but first I am going to to tear the sides off (the thatch part) and clean the bottom and top plate, and the styles. I want to save the foundation walls and the walls with the windows and doors. This area is not glued to the thatch area as the instructions tell you to keep it open for circulation. I took some bristles from an old black plastic bristle broom, i had in the greenhouse. Cut off 7cm in length. Spread them out so the bristles are side by side. Glued them on a piece of wood. Did the same to the next bunch of bristles and glued them above the first set. Overlapping 3.5cm. Looks pretty good. Question: How long should the bristles be? How much shall I overlap? Bristles can't be too short because when you overlap them they won't lay flat. Plastic holds better for outdoors as well and I can still paint it grayish. Would be ideal to put all of the bristles in long pieces of tape or cloth in strips and then wrap and glue it on the sides. Marcus thibaultron, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 27, 2018 Share #112 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) You should consider the scale. Thatch has an avergae length of 1.2 m, you can calculate the length based on scale. I would use 2.5 cm (1") and overlap 1.5 - 2 cm (3/5" - 4/5") which gives you 1 - 0.5cm (2/5" - 1/5") It will give your thatch some body. Furthermore, I would build it up, starting with 0.5 cm as per drawing below (if it makes any sence to you) You can use the same principle for the upper edges of doorways and windows Edited April 27, 2018 by cog thibaultron, Piet, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted April 28, 2018 Share #113 Posted April 28, 2018 On "surprise holiday" with friends in Holland. An operational mill in: Kinderdijk in Nederland VID_20180428_133831.mp4VID_20180428_133831.mp4 ( hope the link works) I have more pictures on monday flying_dutchman2, thibaultron, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share #114 Posted April 28, 2018 22 hours ago, cog said: You should consider the scale. Thatch has an avergae length of 1.2 m, you can calculate the length based on scale. I would use 2.5 cm (1") and overlap 1.5 - 2 cm (3/5" - 4/5") which gives you 1 - 0.5cm (2/5" - 1/5") It will give your thatch some body. Furthermore, I would build it up, starting with 0.5 cm as per drawing below (if it makes any sence to you) You can use the same principle for the upper edges of doorways and windows Carl, Makes a lot of sense. This is going to take a long time and will be very repetitive. (just like planking a ship). Will try on a piece of scrap wood first. Marcus Piet, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share #115 Posted April 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, Backer said: On "surprise holiday" with friends in Holland. An operational mill in: Kinderdijk in Nederland VID_20180428_133831.mp4VID_20180428_133831.mp4 ( hope the link works) I have more pictures on monday Backer, Link worked and looks cool. Marcus Piet, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share #116 Posted April 30, 2018 This afternoon I am taking off the thick paste roofs, remove the nails and sand the nail holes. I got sheets of poplar that are 3mm and 4mm thick by 10" wide by 36" long (scrap wood from one of the guys at the Woodworker club). This will be for re-roofing. Last weekend I tried out various ways to imitate thatch and the broom bristle idea has to be rethought. With the waterproof glue it is a mess as the bristles keep moving. With CA it works beter but this would get expensive fast. I did the paste again but now the layer is 2mm thick and it is best to use a water moist 3" wide paint brush for strokes to imitate the thatch. No cracking when dried and looks good. Also painted a part of it and looks great. Won't do much this month as this weekend I have a wedding in Denver and from the 19th to the 28th I will be doing a castle tour both Irelands and the last weekend to Holland for my mother's 90th birthday. Marcus Canute, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 30, 2018 Share #117 Posted April 30, 2018 4 hours ago, flying_dutchman2 said: Last weekend I tried out various ways to imitate thatch and the broom bristle idea has to be rethought. With the waterproof glue it is a mess as the bristles keep moving. With CA it works beter but this would get expensive fast. I did the paste again but now the layer is 2mm thick and it is best to use a water moist 3" wide paint brush for strokes to imitate the thatch. No cracking when dried and looks good. Also painted a part of it and looks great. Have a great roadtrip(s). Looks like the suitcases need to be large for all those destinations. Have you tried linoleum glue/adhesive? With vinyl bristles it might just do the trick. And it's not too pricey either. flying_dutchman2, cog, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted April 30, 2018 Share #118 Posted April 30, 2018 I'm glad you got something going for on that thatch problem. I have been pondering on the same thing. I do plan to build a wip watermolen for my fishpond. I have tons of very long dead pine needles I could use. Just thinking right now mind you. First i thought that coconut husk might work but it's not straight enough. I guess that's why dodn't go for it either. Cheers, Canute, mtaylor, flying_dutchman2 and 3 others 6 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share #119 Posted April 30, 2018 Thanks Mark, I'll keep that glue in mind. Piet, coconut husk is too curvy My wife thought of something else, we have a bamboo fence used for one year and stored in a box. It has weathered to gray. It is a thin fence. Couple of layers of that and that could do the trick. She mentioned that we go to Michael's and Hobby Lobby and see what else there is. Raffia is something to look in as wekl. I haven't ripped out the fake thatch layer yet. I couldn't get myself to do that until I am sure there is no other way. Adding layers of the thin bamboo on top of the paste makes the whole thing look much fuller as well. I never knew this part would take so much trail and error to come up with something. Uncharted waters.😁 Marcus Jack12477, Piet, cog and 5 others 8 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 1, 2018 Share #120 Posted May 1, 2018 That's why thatch at scale is sold here ... Pages are in Dutch, but some will get the drift with a translator Thatching on a model mill Shop selling the thatch You could actually order it, have it delivered at your mums and take it back with you, or send it by postal services ... paulsutcliffe, Piet, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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