Jump to content

Wasan 1628 by Nazgul - FINISHED - Billing Boats Vasa 1:75


Recommended Posts

Thanks Chris for the kind words! Do you mean to to make the painted sculptures and surfaces more gritty and aged like on a ship thats been in use for long? Or to make them look like on Vasa in the way she looks now? I guees you mean the first so I answer that I made sci fi models earlier and learned alot from looking at how ILM modelshop (the guys who made the studiomodels for the original Starwars films) did their paint jobs and weathering in the days before computer generated effects. They could make plastic cups look like huge engine part just with a really great paint job. So looking at their models like the x-wing or Slave 1 and think through how they did it is worth a lot in my opinion. You also learn lots from looking at youtube videos about weathering models; military vehicles and figures often have amazing paint jobs and there are lots of videos of how they do it.

 

Weathering wood like the hull is quite hard and more unforgiving as you can't simply redo the paintjob like you can on plastics. A good tip is to have pictures of what you are trying to achieve with the paint job and think through what stages are needed. I find pictures of replicas like Batavia or Gotheborg to be great and I also look a lot at paintings by the artist Vroom. I sometimes take pics of a building or a train that looks interesting. Other models can also be good for this, and you can ask the builder how he did the paintjob. If you like my work then look at Franks HMAT supply and Nigels Royal Caroline both with really great paintjobs. I think we use different techniques so read their logs aswell. I think my main tip is not to try and make it perfect, the odd and quirky stuff often gives character, so I try and add stuff like that. Perfect is boring, drama is good. ;)

 

About weathering a model of Vasa. Paintjobs usually comes down to artistic preference, what look you like and that's what you should do. But sometimes I hear the argument that a Vasa model should not be weathered and this is how I see it:

  

She was built outside during a period of two years. Two years is a long time for wood to stop looking all fresh cut. I had new cut wood starting to turn grey by laying in the sun and rain in one summer.

 

Vasa was tarred giving her a look far from a unpainted and unweathered model. I can definitely appreciate a natural looking model as it can be a nice look in it self, but it’s not the way the real ships looked.

 

Here is a picture of Gotheborg when she was launched. And she had been inside a building during the whole build.

 

post-3739-0-35497300-1396859401_thumb.jpg

post-3739-0-31534500-1396859404_thumb.jpg

 

It's easy to imagine she would have looked even more gritty if she'd been built and tarred outside.

 

A surface outside goes dirty quite quickly at least where I live. Dust and pollen will cover it and rain will make dirt runnings. Sun will blend colors,

 

Some weathering is in my opinion necessary if you want the model to look realistic and have a sense of scale. Washes is also a great way to blend the colors.

 

Finally a pic from the Vasa film. I share the way they imagined she would have looked in this scene:

 

post-3739-0-89781300-1396861133_thumb.jpg

 

Sorry for the long post, but I find this topic interesting.

 

 

/Matti

 

 

Edited by NAZGÛL
post-3739-0-77091900-1412108706.jpg

 

 

 

 

Billing Boats Vasa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Matti

 

That's a nice insight into your phyc mate.

 

I like your way of thinking.

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

mobbsie
All mistakes are deliberate ( me )


Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle

 

Completed Builds :-   Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ),  Granado Cross Section 1/48

Harwich Bawley, Restoration,  Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration,  Will Everard 1/67 Billings 

HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
Thames Steam Launch Louise,  Thames Barge Edme,  Viking Dragon Boat


Next Build :-  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dear Friends of model ships

 

I have just started to build the "VASA" and I am impreesed very much about yours.

Following your progres I have learned a lot and I am proud to become a part of your team.

 

Pictures will follow when I'm ready to show them to you.

Before I have build "Santa Maria", Skoleskib Danmark" and "Frigatten Jylland".

 

Kind Regards

Werner

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Welcome Werner.

Which Vasa are you building?. I mean, which kit? Corel, Billings, Sergal...? Is it wood or plastic?

There are several Vasa build logs here. (Be sure to search for both Vasa and Wasa) Make sure to start your own. :)

 

Questions are answered quicker if we can see some photos.

 

:sign:

Edited by Ulises Victoria

There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT.

 

Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina.

Last finished projectsRoyal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons

 

Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90;

Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models.

 

So much to build, so little time!

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hola Matti:

 

In order to put the deadeyes on the chainboards  I install the masts in a preliminary way and with a thread figured out where they will be nailed.  I noticed that some of them lay exactly over the cannons apertures. Comparing the kit plans and the pictures of the model shown in the Vasa museum there are big differences in the chainboard nearer to the bow , I couldn´t find a picture of the real ship but you can probably tell me whom of the two is right.

 

post-797-0-47103700-1397234301_thumb.jpgpost-797-0-98669600-1397234654_thumb.jpg

 

Saludos

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think that this would be a job for your good logic....perhaps a slightly longer chain plate,  so the lanyards can be properly placed.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looking at the museum model,the first three deadeyes should be further forward as the most forward chainplate lands above the next gunport,whether this means a longer channel,it is hard to tell from just the one view of Billing's drawings.

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Currently working on Royal Caroline

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hey, last days have been really hectic so I haven´t had time to post.

 

Karl, you are ahead of me in the build now, but I took some pictures of the rigging when I was at the museum and hopefully they can help. Also post a pic of the museum plans.

 

post-3739-0-70507000-1397295687_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-65226600-1397295705_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-25438300-1397295711_thumb.jpg

 

 

/Matti

 

 

 

post-3739-0-77091900-1412108706.jpg

 

 

 

 

Billing Boats Vasa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is really interesting Matti !The reconstruction work on the original and the museum plans both agree with Billings plans but not the museum model :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  :huh: ?All I could suggest is that the cannon is angled forward as it is fairly close to the bows?

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Currently working on Royal Caroline

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't know mate. The list of her guns state there were all cannons on deck, (one of them strapped as it had no carriage).

 

The 1:10 is great but has some errors, like the front railing being quite wrong. They do change how they think she was built after finding new evidence. For example the pinrails on the deck on top of the cannons should not be there if I got it right.

 

 

/Matti

Edited by NAZGÛL
post-3739-0-77091900-1412108706.jpg

 

 

 

 

Billing Boats Vasa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you very much for the pictures.  Now we have three versions!!

 

Going from stern to bow: deadeye (de), pulley (pu), cannon (CA)

 

Real ship:           de, pu,de,CA,de,de,de,pu-CA,de,de,de

Billing:                de,de,CA,de,de,de,pu,de,pu-CA,de,de

Museum model:  de,pu,de,CA,de,de,de,pu,de,CA,de,de

 

I think the more logic configuration must be a combination between the Model and the real in order NOT to have ropes over the cannon aperture.

 

Anyway, what are the purpose of those pulleys?, are they part of the shrouds or where are they fixed?  In the only blueprint that came with the kit is´s impossible to discern.

 

Saludos, Karl

Edited by Karleop
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyway, what are the purpose of those pulleys?, are they part of the shrouds or where are they fixed?  In the only blueprint that came with the kit is´s impossible to discern.

 

Could the blocks be for some of the back or jib stays?  In conjuction with a block attached to the actual stay, the line would have gone through both and then be secured to a belaying pin on an interior bulwark.

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Matti the stern is just outstanding, the painting  is awesome!!!

 

Frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Matti,

 

all I can say is WOW

 

I love your work on the Wasa. Perhaps I will take one of the available Kits (Corel?) on my wishlist...

 

Best wishes

 

Max

 

:10_1_10:

Next: Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde by Euro Model 1:47

 

Finished: Half Moon Corel;  HMY Royal Caroline Panart; HMB Endeavour Occre 1:54; Fregatte Berlin, Corel, 1:40

 

 

A life without dogs is possible... but worth to live?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The stern looks tremendous mate!!(sorry but struggling to come up with a superlative I haven't used before :D )Are you going to fit four swivel guns in the round ports like Michael has,or are you leaving them blank?Just thought I would ask as they do add a little extra to the model.

 

Kind regards

 

Nigel

Currently working on Royal Caroline

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks fellas!

Cheers Frank, you know I'm a fan of your painting style! 

Max, go for it, it's a great subject and to be able to look and learn about the real ship is a real treat. Consider Billings, it has some tweaks you need to do like the gunports, but it has a good shape and the sculptures are not bad. You will have to bend and reshape them alot to get a good fit so plastic sculptures are a real advantage.

Nigel, thanks for your exorbitant comment! ;) No, no swivels mate. They where never delivered for the real Vasa so I'm not adding them either.

 

 

/Matti

post-3739-0-77091900-1412108706.jpg

 

 

 

 

Billing Boats Vasa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Matti, your painting job is just incredible!

 

Even though I personally don't like the original Vasa paint scheme, I have to say that what you are doing left me speechless.

 

Awesome work, my friend.

There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT.

 

Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina.

Last finished projectsRoyal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons

 

Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90;

Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models.

 

So much to build, so little time!

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just got directed to this build -Wow! You are very talented!

 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Matti. I have been reading through your log & have learned a lot. Will start practicing with this myself. Keep up the great work!

 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks man, there are many ways to paint so google and youtube model weathering and you'll find great tutorials and info, at least on plastic models.

 

I've been working on the gunports lately. The look I want is when the gunports are not strictly opened, but some are closed or halfway opened. I like the uneaven rough and everyday life look of it. Here are some pics of Batavia and Götheborg with the look I like:

 

post-3739-0-37606100-1398073210_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-68505300-1398073284_thumb.jpg

 

 

 

post-3739-0-65705700-1398073482_thumb.jpg

 

 

That ment I had to plan for the cannons to be inside. I also had to plank the back of the hatches as the original BB are hollow. That was actually good as it was easy to stain the planks in the same color as the rest of the ship. The closed hatches are scratched. Here is how far I've gotten:

 

post-3739-0-90744600-1398073879_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-11569000-1398073900_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-99777000-1398073904_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-55885800-1398073930_thumb.jpg

 

post-3739-0-96655500-1398073967_thumb.jpg

 

 

/Matti

 

post-3739-0-77091900-1412108706.jpg

 

 

 

 

Billing Boats Vasa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You have done a wonderful job on this kit, Billings has a few built in challenges. as you know.

My Billing Vasa is on a hold.....long hold. hrm.

 

What I noticed is how theese gunports at different elevation actually brings a lot of life into the display, I like it a lot.

The wood stain with it´s aged look in contrast to the colours are also beautifully executed.

 

A question: I take it that you have done your homework on the colorscheme of Vasa and although it´s an ongoing project at the museum I wonder, was the area around the gunports, the whales et.c. not painted?

 

Regards

Erik  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...