GrandpaPhil Posted May 2, 2018 #1 Posted May 2, 2018 Hi, I'm Phil. I'm about ten months into my build. I've never done a ship of the line before, so this is a learning experience. I chose to build the HMS Victory because I wanted to do a ship of the line. I bought it off of E-Bay on an auction. The kit dates back from 1991. I've had a few difficulties due to the age of the wood and my relative inexperience (compared to most of you guys) in wooden ship modelling. I am very patient. I am very stubborn. I have lots of experience with other types of models to draw from. I have finished the rough work on the hull. Both layers of planking are on. The stern and quarter galleries are built and painted. I have the base color scheme painted on. I am going to be coppering the bottom of the hull. I have 3/16" copper tape, a pounce wheel and Gene Bodnar's article on making copper plates using self adhesive copper tape (thank you very much, Gene, for writing that, as well as the other articles that you have written), that I pulled off of this website. I plan on making very good use of all three . Here's where I'm at right now: oscarmate, cristikc, Papa and 13 others 15 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 4, 2018 Author #2 Posted May 4, 2018 Quick question for everyone. In most of the paintings that I have seen of naval battles, the lower sails on the main and foremasts are shown furled, with all others out. Is this correct for a sailing ship in combat, and are there any others that I would need to have furled, or not, to model the Victory in combat? Thanks in advance. Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 6, 2018 Author #3 Posted May 6, 2018 I started on the copper hull plating this morning! It’s been a learning curve, but I’m getting it! I’ll have pictures up once I make some significant progress. Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 8, 2018 Author #4 Posted May 8, 2018 First band on, on one side. This is the first time that I have ever coppered a hull. I'm still ironing out the wrinkles, so to speak. Retired guy, Jobbie, CDW and 2 others 5 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 12, 2018 Author #5 Posted May 12, 2018 First band on the second side is now on. I just clear coated it. It’s coming along nicely . Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Jobbie Posted May 13, 2018 #6 Posted May 13, 2018 Ideally, the lower sails would be taken in during an engagement to reduce the chance of them catching fire and being holed by canon fire. Grapeshot and bar would be used to make a mess of the rigging and sweep the deck of fighting men. A brutal, ugly affair. The direction and strength of the wind would play a huge part, with one ship trying as much as possible to deny the other any advantage. CDW 1 Quote Completed: Billing’s Boats Cutty Sark Artesania Latina Swift Aeropicolla HMS Prince Panart Royal Yacht Caroline Current build: Caldercraft HM Brig Supply Next: Corel HMS Victory
GrandpaPhil Posted May 20, 2018 Author #7 Posted May 20, 2018 Copper banding is now on Retired guy, CDW, Ondras71 and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 20, 2018 Author #8 Posted May 20, 2018 One roll of copper tape. CDW and Bill Morrison 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 20, 2018 Author #9 Posted May 20, 2018 And, it’s sealed. Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 2, 2018 Author #10 Posted June 2, 2018 I had to take a break to make some stuff for my Admiral, but I’m back to it. I am currently working on the rudder. I beveled it properly, fitted it and painted it, above the waterline. I am currently coppering it below the waterline. Bill Morrison 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 2, 2018 Author #11 Posted June 2, 2018 CDW and Bill Morrison 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 3, 2018 Author #12 Posted June 3, 2018 I finished copper plating my rudder. I sealed it shortly after I took this picture. The Victory is coming along nicely. Retired guy, Sjors, Bill Morrison and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 5, 2018 Author #13 Posted June 5, 2018 The rudder is finished and installed, including pendant chains. All it needs now is a little paint work. I am going to make everything above the waterline look like cast iron and everything below the waterline look like copper or bronze. Fernando E, Bill Morrison, Duanelaker and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 7, 2018 Author #14 Posted June 7, 2018 Started installing my gunports. In my lessons learned file, next time I am framing in my gunports BEFORE planking. I have made the discovery that my gundecks are not exactly where they need to be in relation to the gunports, which I cut IAW the provided template . This means that my gunports will be closed and the Victory rigged under full sail. Oh, well, there’s always next time. Plus, a model under full sail is always a very impressive sight! 😀 Duanelaker and Bill Morrison 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 14, 2018 Author #15 Posted June 14, 2018 Working on fixing the gun deck issue. Since I have to adjust my gunports anyways to make the metal frames fit, I’m taking advantage of this. I would hate to build the Victory, one of the premier battle wagons of it’s age, and not have the guns run out. Heres my progress so far: Fernando E, Javlin, Bill Morrison and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
mikesnail Posted June 16, 2018 #16 Posted June 16, 2018 That is looking really nice - what technique did you use to cut the gun ports? Do you drill small holds to allow for cutting? Bill Morrison 1 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted June 18, 2018 Author #17 Posted June 18, 2018 Thank you. Yes, I just drilled a bunch of small holes, close together, and cut them out with an X-acto knife with a #11 blade. Bill Morrison and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted June 25, 2018 Author #18 Posted June 25, 2018 Still making headway. I’ve installed nearly all of my gunport frames. I made the discovery that I got shorted 7 gunport frames in my kit. I am making them from scrap basswood from an old model kit. BenD, Bill Morrison, cristikc and 6 others 9 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Tom E Posted June 27, 2018 #19 Posted June 27, 2018 GrandpaPhil, May I ask the manufacturer of the kit? I'm just starting to look into a Victory kit. And I really like the look of this one. The Mantua kit has really caught my attention as of late. Tom E GrandpaPhil 1 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted June 27, 2018 Author #20 Posted June 27, 2018 This is the old 1:98 scale Mantua kit. This particular kit is from 1991. It’s been going together pretty well. I’ve been having a lot of fun with it. Caldercraft makes a really nice Victory, too. Jobbie and Tom E 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Tom E Posted June 28, 2018 #21 Posted June 28, 2018 1991.....Wow, you would never know it! I've been so hung up on the Mantua kit, haven't really done my research on the other kits available. I still have some homework to do. Great build, she looks great! I'll be following with great interest. Thanks, Tom E Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted July 5, 2018 Author #22 Posted July 5, 2018 I have made some more progress. I painted the insides of the gunport frames red. I still have some more detail painting to go, but I’m making progress. I also started mounting the dummy guns into their mounting blocks. I made the discovery that I have to be really careful to avoid splitting due to the age of the kit. I ordered 160 HO scale eyebolts to make the gunport lids as historically accurate as possible. I’m having much fun with this build. Retired guy, Tom E, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 7, 2018 Author #23 Posted July 7, 2018 86 dummy cannon Fernando E, Old Collingwood, Bill Morrison and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 7, 2018 Author #24 Posted July 7, 2018 Now, I need to paint the guns and the frames, along with catching any touch ups that need done. Old Collingwood and Bill Morrison 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 8, 2018 Author #25 Posted July 8, 2018 I touched up the black and painted the rails and the gunport frames black on the port side. So far so good. Retired guy, Tom E, zappto and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 8, 2018 Author #26 Posted July 8, 2018 Starboard side now Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 8, 2018 Author #27 Posted July 8, 2018 Fernando E, Bill Morrison, Tom E and 2 others 5 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 8, 2018 Author #28 Posted July 8, 2018 The antique gold is good now too. Tom E 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 10, 2018 Author #29 Posted July 10, 2018 Got the dummy cannons painted and started installing them on the Victory. Fernando E, Tom E, Duanelaker and 1 other 4 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted July 14, 2018 Author #30 Posted July 14, 2018 All but 2 of the dummy guns are now mounted. I am waiting on all glue to dry before I touch up the paint and drill the holes for the last two dummy guns, up by the quarter galleries. CDW, zappto, Bill Morrison and 8 others 11 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
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