cog Posted April 26, 2020 Share #421 Posted April 26, 2020 Getting black as good as you did is quite hard, well done lmagna, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share #422 Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, cog said: Getting black as good as you did is quite hard, well done Thank you carl, I think a combination of perseverance and stubbornness not to let it beat me, also driven by wanting to make my late farther proud, also not trying to do to much or achieve too much when dog tired - but save for better days like yesterday was. OC. Edited April 26, 2020 by Old Collingwood Canute, Egilman, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted April 27, 2020 Share #423 Posted April 27, 2020 Take care of yourself, OC No rush for completion dates. Your Mossie is looking good, mate. Edwardkenway, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #424 Posted April 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, Canute said: Take care of yourself, OC No rush for completion dates. Your Mossie is looking good, mate. Thank you kindly Ken. OC. popeye the sailor, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javlin Posted April 27, 2020 Share #425 Posted April 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said: Kevin, just to clarify, is the issue that the decals OC used were flat and not glossy, and therefore one would seal the paint with a flat clear coat before applying the decals? And once the decals are applied, even if flat, can one add a gloss coat to seal the decals and begin weathering? This is the first time I’ve come across that there are flat decals out there and am trying to learn what to look out for Mike in away,I use Semi-Gloss enamel by Model Master to seal the paint and it will tone down a gloss paint also then I apply the semi again after the decals are laid then hit it flat unless it's NM finish. lmagna, Landlubber Mike, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #426 Posted April 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Javlin said: Mike in away,I use Semi-Gloss enamel by Model Master to seal the paint and it will tone down a gloss paint also then I apply the semi again after the decals are laid then hit it flat unless it's NM finish. Thats what I have in jar/pot form Tamiya Semi Gloss top coat, I will be brushing it on once all the decs are on, then I will blast over with a couple of coats of Tamiya rattle can Flat top coat (after leaving the semi gloss a good few days to harden) OC. Egilman, lmagna, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 27, 2020 Share #427 Posted April 27, 2020 looking real nice my friend Egilman, Edwardkenway, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted April 27, 2020 Share #428 Posted April 27, 2020 good to see your pressing on OC.....the plane is really coming along nicely I've run into a lot with decals..........making my own at times shows me more. yup......some are done in flat and some are glossy.....obvious to most that if a company makes kits......wartime models, that they should be done in a flat format. excess film is another problem that some decal makers have remedied.....printing their decals as stand alone and not in a long strip......numbering and lettering. the excess flashing around decals is yet another......trimming close to the image cleans them up fairly well, but make sure your using a very sharp pair of scissors. I don't do it all the time, but trimming and applying the numbering one piece at a time will save some of the grief. .....and in the event that they do appear glossier than the surface your applying them to, flat top coats will take care of them. gonna look great when Mosi gets her wings Egilman, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #429 Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Kevin said: looking real nice my friend Thank you so much Kevin, good wishes to you and the family stay well my friend. OC. Edwardkenway, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #430 Posted April 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, popeye the sailor said: good to see your pressing on OC.....the plane is really coming along nicely I've run into a lot with decals..........making my own at times shows me more. yup......some are done in flat and some are glossy.....obvious to most that if a company makes kits......wartime models, that they should be done in a flat format. excess film is another problem that some decal makers have remedied.....printing their decals as stand alone and not in a long strip......numbering and lettering. the excess flashing around decals is yet another......trimming close to the image cleans them up fairly well, but make sure your using a very sharp pair of scissors. I don't do it all the time, but trimming and applying the numbering one piece at a time will save some of the grief. .....and in the event that they do appear glossier than the surface your applying them to, flat top coats will take care of them. gonna look great when Mosi gets her wings Thank you for the kind words Denis, I should have looked into trimming the decals with a rule and blade, but it occured to me after fitting them, but its something I will look into if I come across decs like these again. OC. mtaylor, Edwardkenway, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #431 Posted April 27, 2020 More progress today - my building has a pattern - you can tell waht the weather is like by what time I spend at the table, anyway more progress on mossie, I carried on attaching the various decals on the fuselage including the bomb drop count and grin reaper, I then put a first coat of micro sol, and put it aside, then it was time to have a llok at the wing and stabs that had been sprayed - I gently removed the paper/blue tak masks and gave them a wipe down with soapy water, then I gave then a gentle rub over with fine wet and dry (as I have been trying to age the paintwork slightly to show fadded/rubbed areas from use. I also used my pencil and worked along some of the panel lines/around obstructions, the wing still needs the roundel and other decs. Here is a few pics showing a dry run with wings attached not glued o yet. OC. mtaylor, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted April 27, 2020 Share #432 Posted April 27, 2020 I think it's coming out beautiful brother, but then I'm kinda partial to camo on great planes... mtaylor, Edwardkenway, CDW and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #433 Posted April 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Egilman said: I think it's coming out beautiful brother, but then I'm kinda partial to camo on great planes... Thank you EG. OC. mtaylor, Edwardkenway, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #434 Posted April 27, 2020 Think I have Wrecked it, I decided to apply the Tamiya Acrylic Semi Gloss top coat from a Bottle by brush, I brushed it on as well as I could, when covered I used the hairdryer and the result A Cloudy Mess just Horendous. So I thought as its Acrylic it should wipe off using soapy water and a sponge - "Wrong Wrong Idea" Dont know what I am gonna do now, even if I could re paint the whole things (so dont want to have to do all that again) I dont have any replacement decals. Disspaointed dont cut it to be honest. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 27, 2020 Share #435 Posted April 27, 2020 Not liking that OC. Other than somehow removing the paint and starting over and finding decals I have no idea how to fix this disaster. Canute and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #436 Posted April 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, mtaylor said: Not liking that OC. Other than somehow removing the paint and starting over and finding decals I have no idea how to fix this disaster. Dont understand why it happened reaction between tamiya rattle can and acrylic? Still keep looking at it with diss-belief. OC. Canute and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 27, 2020 Share #437 Posted April 27, 2020 Humidity maybe? Canute and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted April 27, 2020 Share #438 Posted April 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: Dont understand why it happened reaction between tamiya rattle can and acrylic? Still keep looking at it with diss-belief. OC. I don't think it was a reaction.... My thinking was to the heat of the hair dryer. I have a suggestion..... I don't think it will hurt it at this point.... Say on the rudder where it is discolored the worst? Try coating it again, only this time allow it to dry on it's own.... My mind says it cured too fast not allowing the material to cure from the inside out. the heat created a skin over the top which didn't allow the insides to completely degass.. That causes the skin formed to cloud up.... My hope is that the clouding is only surface and a reapplication will smooth out the problem.... Try it on a small area and see if it works.... I'm just making a suggestion based upon educated guess at this point I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a try.... the only other option is a strip and repaint.... Canute, cog, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #439 Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, mtaylor said: Humidity maybe? Shouln't have been any - was indoors no heating on and about 18deg I keep telling myself "should have just sprayed the Tamiya rattle can flat over it and not tried to even up the gloss coat first, perhaps you can not apply acrylic over the top of Tamiya rattle cans as they are laquar and not acrylic. To try to rescue it would mean trying to get a smooth surface then re masking the entire rear section from the fuselage joining section, meaning fresh black and on the tail/rudder, fresh camo on the top, I have found in the box and alternative large code with side roundel and registration code, but no spare tail decals (that would have to be left blanc. Just the thought of having to re do it again - a third time - this kit is becoming a real knitmare. OC. OC. popeye the sailor, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #440 Posted April 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Egilman said: I don't think it was a reaction.... My thinking was to the heat of the hair dryer. I have a suggestion..... I don't think it will hurt it at this point.... Say on the rudder where it is discolored the worst? Try coating it again, only this time allow it to dry on it's own.... My mind says it cured too fast not allowing the material to cure from the inside out. the heat created a skin over the top which didn't allow the insides to completely degass.. That causes the skin formed to cloud up.... My hope is that the clouding is only surface and a reapplication will smooth out the problem.... Try it on a small area and see if it works.... I'm just making a suggestion based upon educated guess at this point I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a try.... the only other option is a strip and repaint.... Thank you EG, the problem is the sponge I used has scratched the paintwork now (I tried wetting it to see if it would clean up but no good) I think the paintwork is no good now. But thank you for your thoughts mate. OC. Canute and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted April 27, 2020 Share #441 Posted April 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: Thank you EG, the problem is the sponge I used has scratched the paintwork now (I tried wetting it to see if it would clean up but no good) I think the paintwork is no good now. But thank you for your thoughts mate. OC. Ok, so since the paint is damaged at this point it becomes a strip and repaint... but before you go further, try what I suggested, that will at least confirm my theory and the way to fix it. either way in the future we will know what not to do, and if we do anyway, how to fix it.... Don't worry about the decals, they have a way of fixing themselves.... popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #442 Posted April 27, 2020 Thanks EG, I will try on the tail first as its a controled area Its Tamiya X35 Semi Gloss Clear it a bit on the thick side but I have no way apart from distilled water to dilute it. OC. Canute, mtaylor and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #443 Posted April 27, 2020 I have just this minute had a got on the tail, I re - applied the X35 by wide brush I worked it in well but smoothly and started to see the cloudyness smoothout and show the dark Black underneath and same in the decal (that is damaged from rubbing) But, after a few minutes letting it dry on its own the cloudyness is coming back only difference is its a gloss cloudyness not flat. OC. Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted April 27, 2020 Share #444 Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, Old Collingwood said: I have just this minute had a got on the tail, I re - applied the X35 by wide brush I worked it in well but smoothly and started to see the cloudyness smoothout and show the dark Black underneath and same in the decal (that is damaged from rubbing) But, after a few minutes letting it dry on its own the cloudyness is coming back only difference is its a gloss cloudyness not flat. OC. Well that confirms what caused it, too much heat catalyzed the acrylic before it could cure.... I'm sorry brother.... she was beautiful...... she will be again this is only a setback.... cog, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #445 Posted April 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Egilman said: Well that confirms what caused it, too much heat catalyzed the acrylic before it could cure.... I'm sorry brother.... she was beautiful...... she will be again this is only a setback.... Gutted as I got the wings close to perfect. OC. popeye the sailor and Canute 2 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #446 Posted April 27, 2020 If I decide to re paint the rear section - any thoughts on prepping the surface as I dont have any solutions for taking the paint back, would it work just fine wet and drying just to flatten the decs back so fresh paint Tamiya rattle laquar cans can go over the top? OC. popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javlin Posted April 27, 2020 Share #447 Posted April 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: Shouln't have been any - was indoors no heating on and about 18deg I keep telling myself "should have just sprayed the Tamiya rattle can flat over it and not tried to even up the gloss coat first, perhaps you can not apply acrylic over the top of Tamiya rattle cans as they are laquar and not acrylic. OC I was building a small cabinet for the wife to go in a bathroom solid black and she has been prone to the oriental black very glossy and deep.I think I applied the lacquer clear first and it had cured well and for some reason applied an acrylic clear and it cracked like crazy spider webbed.Those two do not mingle well at all sorry as heck to see this happen Kevin popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #448 Posted April 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Javlin said: OC I was building a small cabinet for the wife to go in a bathroom solid black and she has been prone to the oriental black very glossy and deep.I think I applied the lacquer clear first and it had cured well and for some reason applied an acrylic clear and it cracked like crazy spider webbed.Those two do not mingle well at all sorry as heck to see this happen Kevin I assumed the Tamiya Rattle cans (I was told they are laquars but for kits) and Acrylic would have been ok, I was told and read to be careful spraying Tamiya rattle can clear coat laquars over decals as they can carck them if to much is sprayed in one go. OC. popeye the sailor, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted April 27, 2020 Share #449 Posted April 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: I assumed the Tamiya Rattle cans (I was told they are laquars but for kits) and Acrylic would have been ok, I'm sorry brother, I didn't catch that, no acryls ever get applied over true lacquers... period why cause lacquers, the real lacquers can take up to two months to completely degass (dry/cure) once you have applied a true lacquer you have to stay on that road.... Lacquers are lacquers whether or not it be applied to a model or a car or a piece of furniture.... they don't mix with anything well at all..... (and they can take forever to cure) popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #450 Posted April 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Egilman said: I'm sorry brother, I didn't catch that, no acryls ever get applied over true lacquers... period why cause lacquers, the real lacquers can take up to two months to completely degass (dry/cure) once you have applied a true lacquer you have to stay on that road.... Lacquers are lacquers whether or not it be applied to a model or a car or a piece of furniture.... they don't mix with anything well at all..... (and they can take forever to cure) Truly a lesson for future builds - painting with laquars keep it just laquars, painting with Acrylics keep it Just Acrylics , I never use Enamels anymore. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor and Canute 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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