LyleK1 Posted June 8, 2020 #91 Posted June 8, 2020 Toni, Great learning project! I made some mistakes but am happy with the results and knowing how to fix those mistakes next time. Thanks! Here is mine all completed except for mounting... very soon! Saburo, EricWilliamMarshall, kurtvd19 and 7 others 10 Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD
tlevine Posted June 8, 2020 Author #92 Posted June 8, 2020 Congratulations, Lyle. That really looks great. What's next? EJ_L and mtaylor 2 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
LyleK1 Posted June 8, 2020 #93 Posted June 8, 2020 Thanks again, Toni. I hope to take what I've learned and apply it to my next build... I'm finishing up a 1:130 1847 Harvey kit. Should be done in a week or two. My next big project is AL's HMS Bounty! Really looking forward to getting started... Planning on some serious kit bashing! mtaylor, tlevine and EJ_L 3 Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD
modeller_masa Posted July 7, 2020 #94 Posted July 7, 2020 Hello, Toni. I have question about 2020 February production batch. I found a difference between this build log and my batch. Did you fix the shallow frame 4A? Looks like I don't need to fix the part and just attach it. // I gotcha. The first batch that delivered on January had the shallow frame 4A with an additional instruction paper. my kit doesn't need to be it. Also, I would like to know whether you produced new batch that may include more improvements. Saburo and EricWilliamMarshall 2
tlevine Posted July 7, 2020 Author #95 Posted July 7, 2020 There have not been any modifications to the half hull kit this year. Did you have something specific in mind? modeller_masa 1 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
modeller_masa Posted July 7, 2020 #96 Posted July 7, 2020 It is good to hear that no big error exists. Thank you for notification.
Cabbie Posted July 11, 2020 #97 Posted July 11, 2020 Good evening to all Working my way through this model and finding it very enjoyable. But can someone explain to me how and why the garboard plank has the hook down up to the stern post? Not registering in my brain. thanks Chris EricWilliamMarshall, Saburo, KTO and 2 others 5 HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
modeller_masa Posted July 11, 2020 #98 Posted July 11, 2020 Hello, Cabbie. You're doing exactly same progress I'm doing. Here is what I'm understanding. (All of these pictures are from this article by Toni.) I did same thing like the mortise on stem. I hope it is correct. EricWilliamMarshall, Saburo, Cabbie and 1 other 4
Cabbie Posted July 11, 2020 #99 Posted July 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, modeller_masa said: Hello mm thank you and good to meet you. Yes when you look at the pics the bottom of the garboard is lower than the stern post. It must be exactly as you have put in in the red line, instructions. That makes it a lot clearer thank you. I did same thing like the mortise on stem. I hope it is correct. Yes if you mean removing the deadwood so that the face of the garboard is in line with the stern post. Also are you reading that the Garboard plank is an even taper from stern to stem, or do you think it is mainly parallel and just widens at the stern and tapers at the bow? BTW I hope all is well up there and you are coping with covid 19 ok. Hooroo Chris EJ_L, modeller_masa and Saburo 3 HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
modeller_masa Posted July 11, 2020 #100 Posted July 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Cabbie said: Also are you reading that the Garboard plank is an even taper from stern to stem, or do you think it is mainly parallel and just widens at the stern and tapers at the bow? That's a point what I'm utmost curious. In my case, I read the next steps, and checked the length of each frames and estimated heights how all the planks will go including garboard. I would say that same width planks will be the best looking except the garboard. Good luck! Please ignore the unclear part. I'm not sure the part, and I have no clues like the above pictures. Someone will leave a correct answer soon. Also, I hope you and all people who read this are healthy. Cabbie 1
tlevine Posted July 11, 2020 Author #101 Posted July 11, 2020 I will do my best to explain. As you go aft, the angle of the garboard relative to the keel diminishes from almost 90 degrees at the dead flat to zero at the deadwood. The "notch" represents that transition point. The photo in the manual is exaggerated. This is a picture of the area in question. The transition is in blue. Omitting it is OK too.. The shape of the garboard is different on every ship and depends on the hull shape. On this hull, the width of center part of the garboard does not change much. EricWilliamMarshall, Saburo, Overworked724 and 3 others 6 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Cabbie Posted July 11, 2020 #102 Posted July 11, 2020 Marvelous thanks Toni that makes it much clearer. Chris Overworked724, Saburo and EJ_L 3 HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
Stephen Walters Posted December 13, 2020 #103 Posted December 13, 2020 Mr. Levine's half-hull planking project would be of great help to me in understanding hull planking and would like to learn more about purchasing his kit. Could someone let me know where on the site I could go to find out about the price? This project seems like a remarkable learning tool. Kind Regards, Stephen Walters EJ_L, bruce d and modeller_masa 3
Ryland Craze Posted December 13, 2020 #104 Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stephen Walters said: Mr. Levine's half-hull planking project would be of great help to me in understanding hull planking and would like to learn more about purchasing his kit. Could someone let me know where on the site I could go to find out about the price? This project seems like a remarkable learning tool. Stephen, You order this project direct from the NRG. Here is the link to the kit: https://thenrgstore.org/collections/plans-and-projects/products/half-hull-planking-project Toni Levine is active on MSW and she is always willing to answer any questions you may have. bruce d, EJ_L, tlevine and 3 others 6 Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat
Tim Murphy Posted December 13, 2020 #105 Posted December 13, 2020 I strongly recommend that you go to the NRG website. At the NRG store you can order the Kit set so you can start the project. It is well worth the money. Check it out! It is well worth your time. Tim Ryland Craze, Cabbie, modeller_masa and 2 others 5
modeller_masa Posted December 13, 2020 #106 Posted December 13, 2020 https://thenrgstore.org/ Here is new link. You can get additional discount if you join the NRG digital membership with $40. The quarter term NRG journal has worth more than $40. tlevine, Ryland Craze and Cabbie 3
Stephen Walters Posted December 13, 2020 #107 Posted December 13, 2020 Thank you so much, Ryland. My sincerest apology to Toni Levine for getting the gender wrong. It was unforgiveable and entirely unintentional. Stephen Walters Overworked724, Ryland Craze and bruce d 3
tlevine Posted December 15, 2020 Author #108 Posted December 15, 2020 It isn't the first time and it certainly won't be the last! 😁 Seriously, Stephen, I am more than happy to answer any questions about the half-hull kit. Let me also encourage you to join the Guild. The quarterly Journal is a good source of modeling information as well as maritime history. And as Ryland says, members receive a discount on all the products in the store. But the Guild is much more than that. It is an organization comprised of like-minded individuals who want to promote and enhance our hobby of model ship building. Ryland Craze, Nirvana, Cabbie and 5 others 8 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Stephen Walters Posted January 23, 2021 #109 Posted January 23, 2021 Well, Toni, I'm so confused about rabbets. I got the kit for the half-hull planking project and am ready to start but I need to get a clear idea about how the rabbet cross section change as it rises up the stem. I first thought that the 45 degree bevel on the upper portion of the keel extended up through the stem with no change. After reading that portion of your build log on MSW dealing with rabbets, I discovered I was spectacularly wrong. If I read your build log correctly, it shows the complete rabbet at the top of the stem to be in the shape of a mortise. My understanding of a mortise is that it is a cut that has a rectangular cross section, but when I look at the first photograph that shows the mortise portion of the rabbet darkened for clarity, I am confused by the darkened triangular area that extends from just below the third waterline from the bottom to just above the fourth waterline. Is this area still the flat area of the bottom of the mortise? If it is, it would appear that the bevel steepens from 45 degrees at the bottom of the triangular area to almost 90 degrees at the top of this area. Is this true? When you get a few minutes, could you help me out? I have a feeling that I have missed something important here. Kind Regards, Stephen Walters EricWilliamMarshall and bruce d 2
tlevine Posted January 25, 2021 Author #110 Posted January 25, 2021 Sorry for the late reply. I posted yesterday but for some reason it did not "take". You are correct. The bevel continuously changes from the keel to the top of the planking, ending up at 90 degrees, just like a mortice. Think of it this way... On a typical kit build, you undercut the end of the plank so that it lays flat against the stem; at the keel you do the same thing to the side of the plank. On a real ship, the ends and sides of the plank remain at right angles to the face of the plank. To accomplish this, we need a groove, or rabbet, to seat the end or side of the plank into. The rabbet is always 90 degrees. Since this hull is bluff-bowed, the planks intersect the bow at almost a right angle in the upper planking belts. On a clipper ship, the angle at which the plank meets the stem will not change so dramatically. In similar fashion, if this were a flat-bottomed boat, the rabbet on the keel would be at a right angle to the keel, not at a +/-45 degree angle the way it is in the forward part of this ship. In the picture below, there is a smooth line extending from the keel up the stem. As the angle that the planking intersects the stem increases, the angle of the rabbet also increases and the overall width of the rabbet diminishes. I hope I am making at least a little sense. bruce d, LyleK1, EJ_L and 5 others 7 1 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Stephen Walters Posted January 25, 2021 #111 Posted January 25, 2021 Bingo! I understand now, Toni. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. If I ever get to the point where I understand a fourth of what you've forgotten, I will consider myself fortunate. Thank you so much. You are a treasure. Kind Regards Stephen Walters tlevine, EJ_L and Canute 3
Overworked724 Posted January 26, 2021 #112 Posted January 26, 2021 Don’t say that...you’ll jinx us. If Toni starts forgetting stuff we’re all screwed. 😳 LyleK1, bruce d, tlevine and 2 others 1 4 ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
tlevine Posted January 27, 2021 Author #113 Posted January 27, 2021 If Toni starts forgetting stuff she's got some serious issues! bruce d, Canute, Overworked724 and 1 other 4 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Overworked724 Posted January 27, 2021 #114 Posted January 27, 2021 Well - then I KNOW I've got issues!!! I can't remember when I started forgetting stuff! bruce d, tlevine, Red Rhino and 1 other 1 3 ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Stephen Walters Posted February 22, 2021 #115 Posted February 22, 2021 Hi, Toni. got my second kit this morning (First kit had delaminated panels and I had to reorder.) and opened it just now. There is some warpage on the two bulkhead panels. The first photograph shows the panels as they came in the kit. The second photograph shows the panels reversed. I'm not quite sure how to take the warpage out of the panels. Any suggestions? Kind Regards Stephen Walters EricWilliamMarshall 1
tlevine Posted February 22, 2021 Author #116 Posted February 22, 2021 I am very sorry about the problems you have had. The warpage should not cause any problem with the bulkhead assembly or plank installation. Drop me a PM if something is not coming together right. Canute, EricWilliamMarshall and mtaylor 3 Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Stephen Walters Posted February 23, 2021 #117 Posted February 23, 2021 Thanks for your kind words, Toni. Will proceed. Kind Regards, Stephen mtaylor 1
Hueydriver Posted April 23, 2021 #118 Posted April 23, 2021 Quick question...might be embedded in this build log. What is the LOA of the model? Thanks in advance. EJ_L 1
kurtvd19 Posted April 23, 2021 #119 Posted April 23, 2021 15 1/2 inches mtaylor and EJ_L 2 Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS
Hueydriver Posted April 25, 2021 #120 Posted April 25, 2021 Many thanks, Kurt....will order today. Kirk lmagna and tlevine 2
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