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I am the proud owner of Toni's Introduction to Planking Kit #1 and, since I've got a little time off during the holidays, I decided to get started.  I started by reading the instructions.  (I've heard that enough times from Kurt to know to start there and it's mentioned in Toni's instructions.  It's good advice and I found, even reading through them, I made at least one error early on.)

 

I mounted the plans to a piece of foam board, as instructed.  Then I laid out the keel, keelson, stem components, deadwood and sternpost on the sheet to understand how they all fit together.

 

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Next step is to cut the rabbet.  I'll confess I read this section multiple times and Toni's posts here on MSW, which are slightly different from the instruction manual I have.  I'm hoping I got this part right.

 

Toni says, "Measure the thickness of your planking.  On this model I used 1/32" basswood which actually measured 0.43" thick."  I had to think about that for a minute.  1/32" is 0.03125", quite a ways from 0.43".  Then I measured the planking material in the kit:

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I think this is a combination typo and a little dyslexia.  The instruction manual should say 0.034" instead of 0.43".  Doesn't matter.  I figured it out and understand the point.  You need that measurement to transfer it to the keel components, which I did.  I did a little experimentation to make sure I drew an accurate line on those components.  I set my compass, drew a line on some scrap paper and then measured it with the caliper.  I had to do that a few times to adjust the compass properly, but it paid off.

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I drew lines on both the outboard and top edges.  (This is something Toni didn't say to do, but it made sense to me.  It the angle is supposed to be 45°, then you need to know both sides of the right triangle to get the hypotenuse right ... right?

 

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I have just a couple of observations.  First, scraping the char off the components is a necessary task, I know, but I would urge people to take their time with it.  I could have used power tools to do this or gone after it with some really coarse sandpaper, but I used the back of an old X-Acto blade as a scraper.  It worked great and I didn't risk damaging the components.  It took a little longer than other methods, but I think it was a good call.

 

For cutting the rabbet, again, I could have used power tools for that.  I decided not to and I'm glad I did.  (Toni designed this kit to be done by people without access to all that stuff, so it's not necessary.)  I used the X-Acto blade again and then some sanding sticks to finish it off.  That worked very well and, although it took a while, the results were better than I think I could have gotten with power tools.  Small planes would have worked too.  I tried to use mine, but found they were a little too aggressive and thought if I used them I might inadvertently take off more wood than I wanted to.

 

And no project would be complete without some errors.  Even though the instructions are very clear about how far aft to go with the keel rabbet -- Figure 10 shows how far to carve it -- I still carved it all the way aft.  I corrected that right away by gluing in some scrap wood and returning the keel to a square profile.  Best thing about a wooden ship model: there's nothing you can't fix.

 

Here's the final product.

 

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Now on to the frames.

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Per the instructions, "the slots on the keelson were laser cut approximately 1/16" too shallow to help prevent breakage of the basswood keelson while making the rabbet."  So I need to deepen them that 1/16" which will bring the distance between the bottom of the frame and the rabbet to about 1/16".

 

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Off to the next step!

 

 

 

Dan

 

 

Posted

Increasing the depth of the slots in the keelson turned out to be a quick job.  I used a combination of a #17 X-Acto blade (a small chisel with exactly the right width) and a #11 X-Acto blade for some cleanup.  Then I mounted the dead flat (DF) frame using the method Toni describes.

 

You can see the frame is about 1/16" closer to the rabbet than it was before deepening the slot.

 

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Posted

Off to a good start Dan.  Thanks for picking up on the typo.

Toni


Chairman Nautical Research Guild

Member Nautical Research and Model Society

Member Midwest Model Shipwrights

 

Current Builds:     Utrecht-1742

Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale       HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale       Half Hull Planking Project      Capstan Project     Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale      Echo Cross Section   NRG Rigging Project 

                           Utrecht-1742

Gallery:  Hannah - 1:36 scale.

Posted

Thanks for your great photos and detailed explanations of your build. I will be doing this project too and will certainly be following your project.

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

Posted

As per the instructions on Page 13, I glued "frames E through 4 to the keelson and the building board" and installed the spacers between them.  That, as the instructions said, took some trimming and shimming to get right.

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One thing I'm a little concerned about is the snaggle-toothed aspect of the tops of the frames.

 

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I know fairing of the hull is critical and the bottoms of the frames, adjacent to the keel rabbet is fairly true, but the tops look different from Toni's pictures and look like they're going to require some surgery to get right.

 

The next job is drawing the bearding line and then tapering the deadwood to accept the planks as they meet the sternpost.  I "temporarily installed the deadwood and Frames G and H."  Then I made a mark on the forward lower edge of the frames to define the bearding line.  Using a French curve, I drew the bearding line.

 

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You might notice two lines in the picture above.  That's because the written instructions say to make the marks and draw the lines to define the curve from the forward bottom edges of frames G and H.  Here on MSW, Toni recommended making another mark at the bottom of Frame F, giving three points to define the curve.  I did it both ways to see what would happen and it didn't make a nickel's difference.

 

The deadwood has to be one plank thickness thinner at the sternpost and the keel than it is at the bearding line.  It's a very subtle change.  The deadwood is 0.127" thick.  That thickness needs to be reduced by the thickness of the planks: 0.035".  That means the final thickness will be 0.092" at the keel and sternpost, but will increase upward and forward to the original 0.127" thickness at the bearding line.

 

To make sure I didn't take off too much wood, I marked the plank thickness on the bottom and stern of the deadwood.

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Then I started carving.  I've used only hand tools up to this point, but I did use my Dremel with a sanding burr to do this work.  I tried to get a good picture of the rabbet at the deadwood and the keel to show how this looks.

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Once the carving is done, the deadwood, sternpost and L-shaped piece are glued to the board.

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And then Frames F and G have to be installed.  The bottom of Frame G has to be tapered to conform with the bearding line.

 

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That's it for today.  Pretty good progress, I think.

 

 

 

Dan

 

Posted

Looks sweet, Dan.  You will eventually use that same sanding disc on the tops of the bulkheads.

Toni


Chairman Nautical Research Guild

Member Nautical Research and Model Society

Member Midwest Model Shipwrights

 

Current Builds:     Utrecht-1742

Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale       HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale       Half Hull Planking Project      Capstan Project     Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale      Echo Cross Section   NRG Rigging Project 

                           Utrecht-1742

Gallery:  Hannah - 1:36 scale.

Posted

The next step required some surgery to Frame 4A.  As you can see on the errata sheet included with the kit, Frame 4A needs a little wood added to it to bring it to the right shape.  I had some 1/16" basswood in my wood pile which I used to make these modifications.  I needed three layers to get it right.

 

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Here's the finished product.

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And here it is installed.  A little trickier to get the clamps in there.

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Then I installed the spacers.

 

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The next frame (5A) is a little tricky to install.  There is no notch in the keelson for this frame because cutting one would have made the keelson too thin.  I followed Toni's directions on this, extending the lines for Frame 5a onto the keelson and then figuring out where the notch has to be to get the forward corner of the frame almost to the keel rabbet.  You can see where I cut the keelson away and cut the notch.

 

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In the end, a little of the bottom of the frame chipped off.  I needed to sand it a little to get the back of the frame to contact the building board.  Rather than shim it up, I decided to cut it down...  I hope that was a good call.

 

Finally, I installed Frame 5a, the final forward frame.  (Enough alliteration for you?)

 

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Dan

 

 

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One last little detail had to be taken care of on the bow:  addition of a shim that closes the gap between Frame 5A and the rabbet.  I cut a shim from a piece of basswood.

 

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And installed it.

 

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Then on to the stern, I installed the transom.

 

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And that completes all the frames.

 

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I noticed when I tried to draw in the topline, that Frame 2 was just barely tall enough.  I added a little shim to that.  Most of it will be removed when the frames are cut down, but I wanted to be able to cut down to something, not just leave it as it was.

 

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I went over to Michael's -- a local craft store -- to get some chart tape.  The clerk gave me the RCA Victor dog look.

 

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Seems you have to go to a "real art store" for that kind of thing.  The nearest one is quite a drive, so I decided to go to the auto parts store and see what they had.  Sure enough:  pinstriping tape.

 

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Got a roll of this for about $4.00.

 

Then I marked the topline on the model and blackened the area that needs to be removed.

 

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There is going to be a lot of fairing to be done on this hull.  Some of the frames are too far inboard and the curve of the hull...  Well, it was hard getting that chart tape on because the differences between the frames was very great.  Time for a lot of cutting and chopping now.

 

 

 

Dan

 

 

 

Posted (edited)

I got a little more time over the weekend to make some progress on the planking project.  I sawed off the excess at the tops of the frames.

 

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I'm not completely happy with the results I achieved.  When I lay a batten on the tops of the frames, there are gaps.  I think I'm going to correct these before I move along too far.

 

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I started fairing the hull.  I added some black lines to the centers of the frames, as Toni has suggested here on MSW.

 

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I can see this is going to take a while to get right and I think I'm going to add some wood to at least some of the frames.  As you can see below, either Frame 2 is too proud or Frame 1 needs to be built up.  Looking at it, I think Frame 1 needs to be built up.  I can't explain why it turned out this way.  The bottom of the frame sits just as it should against the building board.  The notch in the keel is the correct depth.  It's just a mystery to me.  I started fairing, but was taking off more wood than I thought I should.  Like Toni says in the instructions, this step takes a while and requires some care and frequent checking, so I'm prepared to put in some effort on this.

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Dan

 

Edited by dcicero
Posted

I'm interested to know how to determine whether a frame is undersized and should be built up or the adjacent frames are a bit oversized and should be sanded down a bit more? I've just eyeballed it when using a batten to check the fairing and made my best guess.

 

Bob

 

 

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, dcicero said:

Looking at it, I think Frame 2 needs to be built up.  I can't explain why it turned out this way. 

I think my frame 2 needs to be slightly built up (I believe that you typo'd the above and meant frame 1 needs to be built up?) and I also can't completely figure out why; frame D for me is too proud and needs severe fairing but I made a mistake and it doesn't quite sit flush on the building board (unfortunately I didn't notice this until too late).

 

I wanted to drop in and let you know that you're doing a great job and following your build has helped me with mine, thank you!

Posted
1 hour ago, VTHokiEE said:

I believe that you typo'd the above and meant frame 1 needs to be built up?

Thanks!  You're right.  I'll go back and fix that...

 

And thanks for the compliment.  I've been stuck on another project because I didn't know how to properly plank the hull.  This project will teach me the skills I need to work on the other project!

 

 

Dan

  • 2 months later...
Posted

Work's been progressing on my half hull, although slowly.  Toni, in her instructions says about fairing the hull, "[t]ake your time and take several breaks. It took me several hours spaced over a few days until I was happy with the hull shape."  Okay.  I can say it has taken me many hours over several weeks ... and I'm still not convinced I've got this right.

 

I've built up some frames and cut down others, as can be seen here.

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Working around the stern confused me quite a bit.  The instructions say, "Do not sand off the aft edge of Frame H, as seen in the blue oval in Figure 44. This is where the counter will be installed later."

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Of course, I found it difficult not to sand off some of that aft edge, but I shimmed it back to its original state, sanded more and installed the counter.

 

I'm going to jump ahead a little because, at this point, I thought I was golden.  Counter's installed; frames faired.  On to the next thing:  marking out the wale.

 

The instructions say, "Using the same technique employed to mark the top of the frames (machinist's square), mark the top and/or bottom of the wale."  Well, that's quite a trick because the spacers already installed obscure, in my cases, the curves on the plans showing where the wales should be.  I did all kinds of contortions with my machinist square and other tools and implements to get these lines marked out.  In some cases, it just wasn't possible to mark both sides of the frame or even get to some of them.

 

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When I connected the lines, it looked like I'd done so coming off a three-day bender.  We discussed this at the NRMSS meeting last night and the consensus was that this step should be done before putting in those spacers.  If I'd done that, this would have taken five minutes.  As it was, it took quite a long time to get to something that looked reasonable.

 

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Now that I'm at this point, I have a question about how the stern is supposed to look.  I know how critical this fairing operation is.  I've screwed it up in the past and it's almost impossible to cover up a bad fairing job, so I know effort put in now will pay off later.  

 

I've certainly taken off, as you can see in the photo above, the aft edge of Frame H, but I think that's okay because the counter is installed.  But look at this.

 

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Should that low area be there?  Should I build that up?  Or just leave it as it is?

 

Any guidance on this would be appreciated.  Certainly I'm going to noodle on it some more ... because that's what I do.

 

 

 

Dan

 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

It took me a while, but I figured this thing out.  As usual, it required getting the right tool for the job.  I chose, in this case, bourbon.  This stuff has a thousand and one uses, I swear.

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The fundamental problem, I figured out, was the placement of the counter.  The instructions do say "it sits on the curved part of the L-shaped piece already glued to the plan."  The thing I didn't understand that was that the bottom edge of it needed to conform with the bottom edge of the L-shaped piece.  I had the joint between the L-shaped piece and the deadwood running down the center of the edge of the counter.  That tiny difference, well, it made all the difference.

 

I cut out the counter.

 

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You can see where the counter had been glued.

 

So then I reinstalled it, higher by a little bit, and, of course, that changed the whole geometry of the stern.  I did some cutting, shaping and carving and came up with this.

 

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This is a difficult spot to take a picture of, but I think you can see the difference between before and after.  Now the pinstripe lays flat against the hull all the way around the stern.

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Dan

 

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  • 3 weeks later...
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The fairing of the stern was the most challenging part of the job so far.  There's some serious shaping that has to take place there.

 

And just when I thought I was done with all that, more opportunities popped up!

 

The first thing I did was plot out where the garboard strake would be.

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That was easily done and then I laid a piece of pinstriping tape along those lines and checked them for fair.  I could see there were more high and low spots that needed attention.

 

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So I spent more time fairing and getting that line where I wanted it.  This is a tedious process, but necessary, I think.

 

When I got it where I wanted it...

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...then I laid out the garboard strake on some Tamiya tape.  I only had a roll of the 6 mm tape and this job really requires the 10 mm tape, but in these days of COVID-19, I didn't feel like running to the hobby shop (about a 30 minute drive, too) for that.  I ordered some online, but then just improvised a little.  I used two lengths of tape and just overlapped them a little.  You can kind of see that in the picture.  The important thing is what Toni points out.  You can see through the Tamiya tape, which allows you to see the marks made on the frames.

 

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Here's the garboard strake with the tape removed.

 

1869666173_IMG_5297(2).thumb.JPG.3a7c7cedc0aeb7dd8db0dd334e9d8525.JPG There was some final shaping to do on the strake and then gluing it in place.  That requires some thought too.  Getting the aft part of the strake to lay flat against the deadwood is a tricky clamping job unless you have some of those really long nosed clamps that Toni has.  I don't, so I improvised with a couple of pieces of scrap wood.  (Yes, that's walnut.  Very upscale scrap wood!)

 

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And here's the final product.

 

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The forward part of the strake went in tonight, much easier than the after part, I though.  I haven't uploaded those pictures yet, so stay tuned.

 

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

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I've installed the forward part of the garboard strake.  Really nothing hard about this at all.  I used the same process I did for the aft portion.

 

For clamping it down I used the same technique, but his time with the metal strip removed from an old windshield wiper blade.  That thing has found many uses in my shop.

 

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Here you can see the complete garboard strake.

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And here's a detail look at the bow.

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And a look along the run of the plank.

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All coming along nicely now.  I measured and marked out the broad strake last night.  I'll cut, carve and install at least part of it tonight.

 

 

 

Dan

 

 

 

Posted (edited)

Well, two steps forward, one step back.

 

On Friday night, I got this from Kurt Van Dahm, President of our club, the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society of Chicago and NRG Director:  "A good indication that the Garboard plank is correct is to look at it at 90 deg to the keel piece and it should be a straight line fore to aft w/o the bow end rising.  It looks good from the head on view down the length."

 

So, I decided to check and, by that measure, my garboard strake needs work.

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You can see that it does rise up at the forward end.

 

I've used Titebond on this model, which can be removed with isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol, which, around here anyway, is about as common in the grocery store as weapons-grade plutonium.  I had to come up with another way to correct this problem.

 

First thing I did was lay out that straight line with pinstriping tape.

 

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Looking down at that line from as close to 90 degrees as I can get shows the problem at the bow.  I marked off the rise with a pencil and then, using a flexible ruler as a guide, cut off the part that needed to be removed.

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You can see just a tiny bit of the strake still stuck to the keel, in the rabbet.  The rest of the strake came off easily because there really wasn't much adhesive holding it on.  At the extreme end, that wasn't the case.  Without isopropyl alcohol to soften this up, what could I do?  Normally, I would just use my heat gun on this, but this part of the model is, I thought, too delicate for that.  So I fired up my soldering iron to apply some focused heat to the area.  That did the trick.  Took the little piece of remaining strake right off.

 

I think it would be good to add a note about that "straight line when viewed 90 degrees to the keel" tip in the instructions.  Sure helped me see where my error was.  Toni does mention that her garboard strake ended about 0.90" from AF.  I was confused by that because mine ended farther forward than that.  Now I understand why.  After removing the rise in the strake, that 0.90" measurement makes a lot more sense.  You can see that mine now ends where it's supposed to.

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Dan

Edited by dcicero
Posted

Dan - This is a very nicely detailed and fascinating log - a must for all plankers - both novice (me) and experienced.  Looking forward to following this work closely. Thank you!

Rob

 

active projects: HMS Victory, Mamoli 1/90 scale

 

Posted

Dan - your build log is really helpful as I am working on this same model (my first attempt at model ship building). Thank you so much for posting the log and for the excellent photos.

Bob

Posted

Hi Chap,

Looking good, The Garboard Strake was always a bit of a mystery to me no matter how much I read.

Looking forward to more of your "Practicum."

 

Just a question, how are you planning to mount this? (Wood or Mirror?)

 

(I think the Bourbon worked well!! 🙂)

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

Completed Builds:

 

A/L Bluenose II

A/L Mare Nostrum

Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark

A/L Pen Duick

A/L Fulgaro

Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck

A/L Sanson

Posted

Thank you, Gentlemen.  I'm glad you're enjoying the build log.  To the question about how I'm going to mount it, I would like to do it in the traditional half hull manner, on a wood backplate.  I'm concerned about the appearance of the top of the model though.  I don't want it to look like a construction site, which would happen if I left the tops of the frames exposed.  I'll need to do some thinking about this as the project progresses.

 

With the garboard strake in place, I moved on to the broad strake.  This plank took more work than the garboard strake.  I made three aft planks before getting one that I could install.  The fundamental problem is the amount of twist in these planks.  Of the three, the midships plank is the easiest to lay-out and install because there's very little twist in it.  Not only was it difficult to lay out the forward and aft planks with the Tamiya tape, but it was also hard to test fit them to make sure they would fit.

 

For the forward plank, Toni's instructions say, "mark the sternpost, dead flat frame and bow for the top of the strake and run a piece of tape to represent the top of the planking.  Again, be careful not to let the fore end of the planking run too high up the stem."  For the garboard -- and as I started laying out the broad strake -- I layed the tape out and then marked every frame, measuring all along, but with the instruction to not "let the fore end of the planking run too high up the stem," I came to the conclusions that this is a much less rigorous, analytical process than I had thought. It comes down to mark three spots and then eyeball it in.  Once I'd made that leap, layout got easier.

 

Now to that torsion issue, I've built with basswood before and it bends really nicely -- it even edge-bends nicely -- when simply wetted down with some warm water.  The heat of your hands working it is all that's needed, no fancy plank benders or anything.  After trying to horse the plank in place, I decided to just do that.  It's not mentioned anywhere in the instructions, but it certainly helped me.  I clamped the plank in place and let it dry.  When it was dry, I removed it, applied glue and set it in place without all kinds of force.  Toni does mention, earlier in the instructions, to be careful of putting dents in the wood.  That's easy to do and I did it.  I've since been working that little dent out by applying some water and letting the grain expand. You can see it in the second photo below.

 

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The center plank, because there isn't much twist in it, is easy to lay out and install.  The after one, where there's the most twist, I found hard to lay out.  It took me three tries with the third time the charm.  Same procedure though.  Lay it out with the Tamiya tape and cut the plank.  Wet it to make it more pliable and clamp it in place.  Remove it when dry -- and here's the tricky part -- sand, fit, sand, fit, sand, fit, repeat as necessary until it's right.  In the end, I'm very happy with how that plank looks and the run of the broad strake, but it was more work than I anticipated.

 

You can see in this photo the amount of twist in that plank.

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Here it is clamped in place.

 

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And here's the finished result.

 

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Dan

 

 

Posted

Now on to the first run of planks.  I've gotten through about half of this process, but I'm struggling a little.

 

The initial instructions for laying out the planking belts are straightforward.  There are three belts of planks, the width of which are determined by the distance from the bottom of the main wale to the top of the broad strake.  Simple.  Take a piece of paper, mark that distance...

 

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Measure...

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...in this case 51mm.  And then divide by three.  That's 17mm.  Mark those belts on the dead flat.  Easy.

 

For the stem, it's the same process, although the geometry of the stem makes it a little different.  I drew a line from the top of the broad strake forward and a line from the bottom of the main wale forward onto the building board.  Then I measured that distance, divided by three and then marked those dimensions on the model.

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In my case, the total distance from the bottom of the main wale to the top of the broad strake is 34 mm, which divides into three belts 11.3mm in width.

 

For the stern?  I'm befuddled.  As Toni says, "drawing out these belts is more complicated because the planks terminate on both the lower edge of the counter and the sternpost."  Okay.  Got it.  Complicated.

 

Then, in the next paragraph:  "The width of the lower planking belt at the sternpost is 4.5 (four regular planks and half a stealer) times the extreme width of 11" or 49.5".  In 1/48 scale, this is just over an inch.  Mark this at the sternpost."  Okay.  I can do that.  So that defines the border between the lower and middle belts.  Now I need to mark the border between the upper and middle belt.

 

"Measure inboard along the lower edge of the counter the width of four planks 0.75" (4 planks x 9" plank width / 48 scale)."  This had me baffled yesterday, but, as is my wont, I've let that thought marinate a little and here's what I came up with.  I've been thinking all along that the orientation of the planking belts is largely vertical, with some athwartships dimensionality to conform to the shape of the hull.  But in the case of marking out the border between the upper and middle planking belts, the orientation is largely athwartships.  So, "measure inboard along the lower edge of the counter" looks like this:

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So ther planking belts will look something like this from the stern.  (I'm not taking any more pictures for now because there's a lot of adjustment that needs to be made to get these things right, as Toni points out in the instructions.)

 

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Dan

 

 

 

Posted

Yep...

This is the step(s) I'm in as well...

I have the first row of planks laid out but I'm not sure I like the looks...

I'll get some pictures and an update soon.

 

Looking forward to your next update! Hoping for some enlightenment!

Lyle

"The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change"

 

Completed Builds:

Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/

NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/

1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/

Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/

 

In progress:

Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/

 

Waiting for dry-dock space:

Model Shipways - USS Constitution

Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801

A Scratch build -TBD

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

This is very helpful as I am getting ready to start on the planking.  I appreciate being able to learn from you and the others who post.

  • 4 weeks later...
Posted

I've been pokey about posting more updates here on MSW.  Work has consumed all my time over the past several weeks, so any time I get to spend at the bench is a real luxury.  I'm thankful every day for the work, but it is draining.

 

When last I posted, I'd just gotten the planking belts laid out.  It took some time to get that right, but it finally did come together.  I also took the opportunity to do more fairing.  It seems that's a never-quite-ending task, but a ncecessary one to avoid high and low spots.

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Then I made my tic-strips for each of the frames.  Once I made these, I stored them in a little ziplock bag.  Don't lose them!  You'll need them again and again.

 

Per the instructions I used both methods to lay out the planking.  When I used the first method, I thought, "why in the world hadn't I thought of this before."  It made a lot of sense and was easy to do.

 

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I didn't know it at this point, but, as clever as this method is, I got better results, faster, with the second method.  In any event, things went well.

 

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Carving and sanding these very narrow planks was a little challenging.  I ruined a couple of them doing that, but eventually landed on this method.  Just clamp them in a self-locking pliers like this, with a piece of scrap stock on the bottom of them to keep them from moving around, and sand away.  I found I could keep them stable, see what I was doing and get a good result doing this.

 

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Here's the first belt in place.

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I think the first plank above the broad strake was too narrow.  I discovered that too late, so the next couple of planks are probably a little wider than they should be.  That's a live and learn, I think.  One great thing about this model is that ever run of planks is better than the one before it.  I've really noted an improvement in my skills as I've gone along, which is the purpose of a tutorial like this.

 

The stealer was next.  Toni says you'll be lucky to get this right in three tries.  I was.  I got it right in two. The first was a complete disaster and had to be removed...

 

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With that gaping hole in my model -- and, you'll note -- the gap just where the stealer would have to be glued in, I plugged ahead.  Toni does say to install a block in between the frames, but what I failed to do was extend that block below the top edge of the plank.  I've got plenty of gluing surface where I don't need it in this picture, and none where I do.  Removing the first stealer to fix it allowed me to fix this whole issue.

 

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And there it is.

 

Since this, I've laid out the second belt of planking and made my next set of tick strips.  Lots more planking to do.

 

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

Posted

Looking good Dan.

I'll post more pictures tonight... Be careful to ensure you stay parallel to the wale throughout the process.

My BIG mistake was not doing so and I've had to add more dropped/stealer planks near the wale to make it come out right!

No gonna start over! 

Lyle

"The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change"

 

Completed Builds:

Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/

NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/

1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/

Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/

 

In progress:

Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/

 

Waiting for dry-dock space:

Model Shipways - USS Constitution

Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801

A Scratch build -TBD

  • 3 months later...
Posted

I know it's been a while since I posted any updates.  I have made progress!

 

You can see here the second planking belt completed and the first layer of the wale installed.

 

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It took me a couple of tries to get this right, but I was pretty happy with how it turned out.

 

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Notice anything weird?  All that black staining?

 

The instructions recommend using an archival marker to stain the edges of the wale, so went over to Hobby Lobby and bought one.  I was really happy with how that went.  It looks like paint and is a lot less hassle.  I'd fitted the two pieces of the wale by wetting them, clamping them in place and letting them dry.  I removed them, used the marker and then let them dry for a day before reinstalling as you can see here.  Every time I touched the model, some of that black ink would come off on my hands.  I tried cleaning it off with a cottom swab and you can see the result below.  What a mess.

 

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I'm so close to finishing this project off and the last thing I wanted was to ruin everything by bleeding black ink everywhere.  I decided to remove the wale and make a new one.  I used the old one as the template.

 

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Even though I've removed the wale, there is still a little of that black ink on the frames.  I've been carefully removing it, but that looks to be a project that's going to take a while.

 

Anyone got any thoughts on where I went wrong? 

 

 

Dan  

 

Posted

Yep... I actually used a permanent marker for mine and it worked... sorta ok. But I got some of the bleeding too and had to be extra careful when I started sanding.

Turned out ok. You can see where I got into the ink.

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Lyle

"The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change"

 

Completed Builds:

Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/

NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/

1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/

Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/

 

In progress:

Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/

 

Waiting for dry-dock space:

Model Shipways - USS Constitution

Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801

A Scratch build -TBD

Posted
On 3/23/2020 at 7:50 PM, dcicero said:

As usual, it required getting the right tool for the job.  I chose, in this case, bourbon.  This stuff has a thousand and one uses, I swear.

I use Scotch...but as they say...the right tool for the right job!

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“Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.

  • 8 months later...
Posted

It's been almost nine months since I posted anything to this build log.  Frankly, I was so frustrated with this project that I put it aside.  I've since finished another model and decided to take another look at the half hull project.

 

It hasn't gotten better with age.  Just look at this thing...

 

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This was my second attempt!

 

And it wasn't like it was just the wale that needed work.  The object here is to create a "pleasing run of planking."  I hadn't created that.  I'd created a chaotic mess.

 

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Kinks that I doubted I could work out around the bow.  Uneven plank widths in the stern.  Wavy lines.  I was really discouraged and just didn't want to put more work into something that was clearly not going turn into something of which I might be proud.

 

So I trashed it.

 

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Well, not completely.

 

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I just removed all the planking.  I'd used white glue, so a little water softened up the joints.  Then I removed any excess glue with a damp cloth.  Then I started fairing the hull again, being even more meticulous about the bow and stern.

 

I found that I'd sanded a little too much off the aft frames.  The instructions say not to do this and I tried to follow them, but I couldn't figure it out.  Turns out, the stern is a lot more boxy than I thought it was.  Coming to that conclusion showed me where my errors were and I corrected them.  The forward-most frame was a little too short, so I extended it.  I removed the spacers so I could properly mark the wales without going through all kinds of gyrations with my square.  I copied a technique shown in one of the other build logs where the measurements are punched into the frames.  One of the problems I had was with smudged pencil marks, particularly in the bow.  This technique solves the problem.

 

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I added a little more filler in the stern to give a better gluing surface for the stealer.

 

I'd run out of planking material building what I'd already built, so I went off to Hobby Lobby to get more 1/32" planking material.

 

I also re-read Planking the Built-Up Ship Model.

 

I think, for this re-build, I'm going to use some of the techniques described in that book, particularly with regard to laying out the planking.  I have a pair of proportional dividers, not the expensive ones used by draftsmen of old, but inexpensive ones uses by artists, with set proportions.  I think that's going to make laying out the runs of planks easier and more accurate.

 

So I'm back in the saddle again, as the old cowboy song says.  The frame is fair.  The wale is installed.  Off once again to the garboard strake.

 

 

Dan

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