Boxbuilds Posted September 23, 2020 Share #61 Posted September 23, 2020 I think you nailed the color of the hull. And the "carvings" along the strakes are well done. Look forward to the next chapters. bigpetr and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share #62 Posted October 5, 2020 Jig is ready to serve, I forgot to include few important guidelines to the jig, so I had to plot them by hand: Then I assembled some visible ribs and aplied the grooves to the edges. Some test paint was used to see if the grooves will be visible when painted . They are, so I will continue to do them on the rest of the ship. KrisWood, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share #63 Posted October 8, 2020 Ship attached to the jig and planking template is prepared to be printed: mtaylor, KrisWood, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 9, 2020 Share #64 Posted October 9, 2020 3 hours ago, bigpetr said: and planking template is prepared to be printed Oh, wow! KrisWood and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted October 10, 2020 Share #65 Posted October 10, 2020 How did you come up with the planking template? That's really impressive. Did it simply derive from the CAD work? I'm already thinking of trying to do proper planking on my next ship, but have never tried to use a CAD application. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share #66 Posted October 10, 2020 Template is a result of my CAD work as are (and will be) all other parts of the ship. CAD is realy useful for this, because you can solve all inconsistencies in blueprints and generate templates that fits together nicely. mtaylor, Louie da fly, KrisWood and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share #67 Posted October 11, 2020 Planking journey has started, first plank in place, fits perfectly: Here are planks in two stages of making proces. Laminated templates and cut out planks. Planks are laminated to desired thickness in a way that ends are roughly two times thinner than the middle part, same as the original planks. Also not every plank has the same thickness. In this scale differences are few tenths od millimeter, so I hope it will be at least felt if not seen.😀 Binho, mtaylor, KrisWood and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 11, 2020 Share #68 Posted October 11, 2020 I'm enjoying following this one - if only to see the physical results of all that theoretical preparation you did. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srodbro Posted October 11, 2020 Share #69 Posted October 11, 2020 A question about your planks: Is the shape of an individual plank the same from stem to midship and from midship to stern? Love your build. Trying to figure out this new emoji thing to give a “like”. mtaylor and Louie da fly 2 Quote Steve "If they suspect me of intelligence, I am sure it will soon blow over, ha, ha, ha!" -- Jack Aubrey Builds: Yankee Hero, Fannie Gorham, We’re Here, Dapper Tom (x3), New Bedford Whaler, US Brig Lawrence (Niagara), Wyoming (half hull), Fra Berlanga (half hull), Gokstad Viking Ship, Kate Cory, Charles Morgan, Gjoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share #70 Posted October 12, 2020 I am glad you like it, friends. No, the shape of the plank is not same from stem to midship and from midship to stern. I 3d modeled planks to fit all actual ribs so they dictates the shape of the whole plank. Also stem and stern has different shapes so endings of the planks is different there also. My planks represents the shape of the ship as displayed in musemum today, witch, as I learned receantly, probably do not represent the shape of the ship from its active years of duty due to 1000 year in the ground, wood shrinking and romantic ideas of archeologists from first half of 20th century who reconstructed the ship for display. Lets hope it will recieve the same treatment from nowdays archeologists as Oseberg ship and we will get the shape closer to the initial state of the ship.😀 Srodbro, KrisWood and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 12, 2020 Share #71 Posted October 12, 2020 23 hours ago, Srodbro said: Love your build. Trying to figure out this new emoji thing to give a “like”. Lower right hand corner of each post... there's a "thumbs up". If you hover over it, a couple of icons will also display incase you want to use one of them. Just click on which ever one you want to use. Srodbro 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share #72 Posted October 15, 2020 Few more planks added, red ribs will be visible, deck boards will be removed there: Everything fits fine so far: Binho, KrisWood, Srodbro and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted October 16, 2020 Share #73 Posted October 16, 2020 Looking good! I'm going to have to hurry my own project along to catch up! 😀 Louie da fly, mtaylor and bigpetr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #74 Posted October 22, 2020 Strake 9 out of 16 si done. So far no adjustments to the templates needed. Long phase of template preparing pays off. It took five months to get to the point where I was with my abandoned first try to build Gokstad from paper kit, not so bad😀 kondzik, Binho, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 22, 2020 Share #75 Posted October 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, bigpetr said: Long phase of template preparing pays off. I couldn't agree more. All that work has really produced superb results. That's such a beautiful shape. bigpetr and KrisWood 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share #76 Posted October 25, 2020 I have to attach another rib to guide the planks, because planking reach to the top of the small rib underneath it. I have ploted decorative triangles to the top planks. They were probably painted. Are there some information on how the color on viking ships was done? Did they apply protective tar coat and then the colour, or just the colour layer? Or colour and then tar? Or do they mixed color pigment with tar? On museum replicas it looks like just colour layer. ccoyle, KrisWood, J11 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted October 27, 2020 Share #77 Posted October 27, 2020 Wow! That hull is looking good! Planning all the strakes with CAD really pays off. I'm eager to see the next steps. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 27, 2020 Share #78 Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 10:57 PM, bigpetr said: re there some information on how the color on viking ships was done? Did they apply protective tar coat and then the colour, or just the colour layer? Or colour and then tar? Or do they mixed color pigment with tar? Very good question - unfortunately i don't know the answer to this one; it would probably be in some archaeological report somewhere. Does it make a difference to how yo're doing the model? mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share #79 Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Not realy louie😀. I just need to decide, how i will depict the colour of triangles. If plain or with some weathering or dirty from the tar. Edited October 27, 2020 by bigpetr mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binho Posted October 30, 2020 Share #80 Posted October 30, 2020 Your ship is looking amazing! The templating really payed off, and I like the decorative moulding on the planks. On 10/25/2020 at 4:57 AM, bigpetr said: They were probably painted. Are there some information on how the color on viking ships was done? Did they apply protective tar coat and then the colour, or just the colour layer? Or colour and then tar? Or do they mixed color pigment with tar? On museum replicas it looks like just colour layer. From the Viking Ship Museum website: Quote The paint used by the Vikings as the basis for decoration work of this kind consisted of inorganic colour pigments with casein tempera as the binder. Casein can be obtained from, for example, buttermilk and one of its advantages is that it can be directly applied to tarred planking where it lasts for a considerable time, even in Danish weather conditions. So it seems like it was applied to an initial layer of tar. I'm assuming any subsequent layers of tar applied over the years as maintenance weren't applied over the paint, but the paint itself was just reapplied. Here are some pictures from the Helge Ask Guild website (Skuldelev 5 replica) of them repainting and re-tarring the ship. The bottom paint used here is a modern copper based one I believe, the Vikings appear to have used seal blubber tar below the waterline mtaylor and KrisWood 2 Quote Alberto - "Binho" Current Build: Dusek 1:72 Scale Longship Digital Shipyard: Viking-era ships and boats 3D Art: Artstation, Sketchfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share #81 Posted October 31, 2020 Thank you very much for Info binho. Now it is clear to me how it probably looked. mtaylor and Binho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share #82 Posted November 4, 2020 Firs I cut oar holes to the planks: then attach it to the hull: I did some tests how to paint the triangles: This is one posibility (score lines with blade so the paint will stop at it). Other idea is to cut individual triangles, paint them and glue them together. But maybe it will look too "precise". I need to test it. mtaylor, kondzik, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share #83 Posted November 4, 2020 I was thinking to make more planks with color, like this (images are ilustrational - model is from Jan van den Heuvel) or this: since there are no traces of colour pigments on the planks it could look anyhow. Binho, mtaylor and J11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 5, 2020 Share #84 Posted November 5, 2020 Beautiful work on the planking, Bigpetr. That view from the bow is just amazing - what an exquisite shape! I like what you're doing with the triangles. If you can get it to work without the paint "bleeding", I think scoring the lines is probably the better way to go. Regarding the colour scheme, I like to top one with the single black stripe better than the bottom one with two. But that's just me. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #85 Posted November 5, 2020 Thank You Louie, I like the single black strip more too, it is decent and nicely highlits the triangle strip mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martocticvs Posted November 6, 2020 Share #86 Posted November 6, 2020 Very impressive work! Looking great, and all that early effort is paying off nicely mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binho Posted November 10, 2020 Share #87 Posted November 10, 2020 Wow, that front view is looking amazing! Great work. My vote is for the single extra strip too mtaylor 1 Quote Alberto - "Binho" Current Build: Dusek 1:72 Scale Longship Digital Shipyard: Viking-era ships and boats 3D Art: Artstation, Sketchfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binho Posted November 12, 2020 Share #88 Posted November 12, 2020 Hey @bigpetr, if you haven't seen it I think you will love this: https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=LCWEGGrUnpi It's the Gokstad exhibition room. It allows you to walk around the ship in 3D with fairly high resolution photos! Next best thing to actually being there. mtaylor 1 Quote Alberto - "Binho" Current Build: Dusek 1:72 Scale Longship Digital Shipyard: Viking-era ships and boats 3D Art: Artstation, Sketchfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share #89 Posted November 12, 2020 Thank you for link Binho, i know about it and use it a lot for planking details. mtaylor and Binho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpetr Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share #90 Posted November 24, 2020 The progres was little slower lately. I had to figure out how to tackle color paint of the top plank. Top planks have rivets and are ready for paint: GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, Waitoa and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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